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[Jetscode1]

The OL took a step backwards this year. The WRs are okay, if you forget about Holmes' social issues. The RBs are mediocre on a good day.

The QBs are probably the worst in the NFL, and there's no real cure in sight. Hoping a second or third round pick can develop into a starter in a year is essentially buying a lottery ticket. The FA market is really weak, too. And even if the market was strong, the Jets don't have any money to operate with this offseason.

Given the tenuous status of the head coach, the Jets OC job could be the least attractive opening this year.

The regime needs to change or you are just wasting another lottery pick...the Jets under Rex wanted a plug and play QB...unwisely they thought a high draft pick would enable them to set it and forget it with zero understanding of development/accountability/backup plan...if Rex stays...might as well draft all defense and hope to win games 7-6.

Agree with your point if Rex stays...least attractive OC on the market...basically you hope Rex had a strong relationship with Hue Jackson or Norv Turner and they agree to come to pad the resume.

[kay_gee]

I can't see any decent GM coming here if Tannenbaum is kept on in any capacity. Get ready for promotion from within if Tannenbaum is "reassigned."

Also, I'd take Norv Turner as OC, but please don't ever promote him past this position.

[SouthernJet]

I can't see any decent GM coming here if Tannenbaum is kept on in any capacity. Get ready for promotion from within if Tannenbaum is "reassigned."

Also, I'd take Norv Turner as OC, but please don't ever promote him past this position.

yup, thats why we will get a up and comer candidate that is willing to accept the caveat from Woody to keep rex as part of job offer.

[Bleedin Green]

Not sure you can get any "lesser" than Sparano. He has far outdone Schotty in making this offense into a complete laughing stock. At least under schotty we weren't flagged for delay of games and too many men in the huddle every game. Don't get me wrong, Schotty sucked too, but Sparano came in and has made him look like an offensive genius.

I'm not even defending Sparano in the slightest, but what freakin' team were you watching for those six years Schotty was here? His offense was just as notorious for that crap, if not more so. Have we so quickly forgotten the multiple times in every game where Sanchez would be seen screaming at the sideline for a play call that never came, as the seconds ticked away? Or how about my personal favorite, when the Jets had to burn a timeout on the very first play of the game last year because Schotty's stupid ass couldn't get the play call in even then? There is not a single human being on the face of the Earth who could make Schotty look anywhere close to an offensive genius. Just because Sparano is an incompetent jackass doesn't change the fact that Schitty was one too. And thank God the Jets are at least smart enough this time to not waste 6 years of our time with this one.

[Gastineau Lives]

that our illustrious owner will not be firing anyone and we will see the tanny/rex/meatball trifecta given another shot. this is the cruel life of a jets fan and this is what i expect to happen because thats the way it goes as a jets fan. perrenial disappointment. besides our owner is woody johnson....are you kidding? how do you end up with a first and last name that are synonymous with penis? is his middle name peter? FML

Actually, Woody makes it a Superfecta, I believe.

[faba]

Heads will roll just a matter if Woody has the guts to clean house completely to bring fresh people in

[Il Mostro]

What's the all time record for keeping failed GM's on the payroll in perpetuity?

[jason423]

I tend to think nothing imminent is coming either. I think the Woody news is going to be the equivalent of the guys being on double secret probation while he conducts a thorough search that amounts to no real changes but a public discussion of how this is now a more comprehensive personnel scouting staff and that while Mr. T maintains the GM position there is more distribution of decision making power for the draft and free agency.

Outside of the draft (which is a worry right now since the Jets need good players) there probably isnt any harm in leaving the two guys there to hang themselves trying to fix the cap of the team rather than having a new GM come in and people blaming him for 2013 and 2014 being bad.

[bitonti]

Bit, where in draft you think Gio Bernard and Milk Glennon will go?
Have you heard of Jets interest?
Jake Steinberg (he seems to get some stuff right) claims the Jets are all over both of them.

giovanni bernard is possibly the only rd 1 RB this year. Alot depends on how he runs and medical exams on the combine

Glennon seems like a late 1 early 2 to me, if he is awesome at Senior Bowl. I've seen some projects that have him as the best QB in the class.

[FloridaJetsFan]

Rex is developing a reputation as a back stabber.

Not attractive to new coaches having Rex sing your praises in March and kicking you in the nutsack in December.

Isn't that the Belichick Model?

[kay_gee]

I'm not even defending Sparano in the slightest, but what freakin' team were you watching for those six years Schotty was here? His offense was just as notorious for that crap, if not more so. Have we so quickly forgotten the multiple times in every game where Sanchez would be seen screaming at the sideline for a play call that never came, as the seconds ticked away? Or how about my personal favorite, when the Jets had to burn a timeout on the very first play of the game last year because Schotty's stupid ass couldn't get the play call in even then? There is not a single human being on the face of the Earth who could make Schotty look anywhere close to an offensive genius. Just because Sparano is an incompetent jackass doesn't change the fact that Schitty was one too. And thank God the Jets are at least smart enough this time to not waste 6 years of our time with this one.

^ This. People who don't watch the Jets much say "Oh, this vindicates Schottenheimer," and um, NO. NO IT DOESN'T. Sparano has been been terrible but the idea that Schotty was somehow "better" or that the players were all to blame for this kind of mess is a joke.

Aside from Sanchez having to call timeout because he wasn't getting help from the sidelines, how many times did we watch Schotty never adjust his game plan to his players' strengths or the defensive adjustments made by the opposing team? How many times did we want tear our hair out because the situation didn't fit the play call?

Sparano has been god awful, and although this roster lacks talent, the worst thing you can say about the guy is that he hasn't managed to get the best out of them. If the offense had been average - not even really good, just average - the Jets are easily 9-7, or even 10-6. Instead, we're looking at this mess.

You can argue this mess is better for the long term good of the franchise, but depending on what Woody does regarding the GM situation, we don't even know if that's true at this point.

Edited by kay_gee, 29 December 2012 - 04:58 PM.

[RSJ]

This is the likeliest probability, although I hope Tannenbaum is removed completely.

Problem is, it's going to be tough to attract candidates for the OC and GM jobs here. While Rex's detractors might point to Rex being the problem, I think the real issue in 2013 is the complete lack of talent on the offensive side of the ball, and the tight cap space with which to operate to improve it.

Woody's probably either gonna have to overpay, or bring in lesser people.

Its so weird that there's no talent on offense when all they spend is $20 million a year on 2 CB's alone. If Rex was such a brilliant defensive coach he could do it with a lot less money then the Jets spend on their defense, particularly their DB's. Then maybe we could afford an OL, WR or QB.

Edited by RSJ, 29 December 2012 - 05:49 PM.

[sirlancemehlot]

compared to 2009 yes that's true. compared to the rest of the league they are a very good OL.

Yopu keep on using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[shawn306]

Rex stays, Tannenbaum is reassigned, Sparano is gone.

I'll take it a bit further and say that most of the coaching staff is gone and Rex will rebuild it from scratch.

[PatriotReign37]

Isn't that the Belichick Model?

Not at all. Where has he cast blame to save his job like Rex?

I was right, Rex got to Woody first and saved his own hide.Tanny stays because Woodys bank account is in good hands.

[SMC]

I tend to think nothing imminent is coming either. I think the Woody news is going to be the equivalent of the guys being on double secret probation while he conducts a thorough search that amounts to no real changes but a public discussion of how this is now a more comprehensive personnel scouting staff and that while Mr. T maintains the GM position there is more distribution of decision making power for the draft and free agency.

Outside of the draft (which is a worry right now since the Jets need good players) there probably isnt any harm in leaving the two guys there to hang themselves trying to fix the cap of the team rather than having a new GM come in and people blaming him for 2013 and 2014 being bad.

While this is likely, one of the worst possible things for a franchise to do is leave a lame duck embattled GM in place along with an equally tenuously positioned HC because they will make moves to save their own skins rather than in the longterm benefit of the franchise.

Rather than doing the smart thing like trading Revis for draft picks, Tanny will be more likely to trade 1st and 2nd rounders to bring in marginal players to sneak in a WC appearance next year.

Edited by SMC, 29 December 2012 - 07:45 PM.

[SMC]

Not at all. Where has he cast blame to save his job like Rex?

The one HC job Belichick didn't have a future HOF QB, he got fired. And he was on the hotseat after giving Bledsoe a $100 million contract and starting the 2001 season 0-2.

So don't act like Belichick and Rex are in any comparable situation other than when BB was in Cleveland. He got fired and had to build up his resume with the Jets, along with his bank account taking Hess' $1 million to stay on to be HC once Parcells stepped down.

Edited by SMC, 29 December 2012 - 07:49 PM.

[pedro55]

The one HC job Belichick didn't have a future HOF QB, he got fired. And he was on the hotseat after giving Bledsoe a $100 million contract and starting the 2001 season 0-2.

So don't act like Belichick and Rex are in any comparable situation other than when BB was in Cleveland. He got fired and had to build up his resume with the Jets, along with his bank account taking Hess' $1 million to stay on to be HC once Parcells stepped down.

This is just a bad comparison. Brady wasn't a HOF QB when the Patriots won their first super bowl. He wasn't even that good. He had what, 150 Yards passing and 1 TD? Since when is that a HOF QB? Did he turn the ball over? No, but that first super bowl was because of the Patriots defense and Adam V not Tom Brady. He had a nice drive that resulted in a 50 yard field goal. In a 20-17 game against one of the greatest offenses in the history of the NFL. To not give BB any credit and give it all to Brady is a bit ridiculous. Saying BB cheated and taped practices is another thing. But don't say Brady was some HOF QB those first few years. He was a good QB, but he wasn't really 'Great' until that Carolina Super Bowl and then his 50 TD season in 2007.

It's just Brady gets all the credit for super bowl wins during a time when the Patriots had a good defense. Ever since the pats have become an offensive team, they haven't won a super bowl. They've become the Colts when everybody said Manning couldn't win a big game.

[Bugg]

This is just a bad comparison. Brady wasn't a HOF QB when the Patriots won their first super bowl. He wasn't even that good. He had what, 150 Yards passing and 1 TD? Since when is that a HOF QB? Did he turn the ball over? No, but that first super bowl was because of the Patriots defense and Adam V not Tom Brady. He had a nice drive that resulted in a 50 yard field goal. In a 20-17 game against one of the greatest offenses in the history of the NFL. To not give BB any credit and give it all to Brady is a bit ridiculous. Saying BB cheated and taped practices is another thing. But don't say Brady was some HOF QB those first few years. He was a good QB, but he wasn't really 'Great' until that Carolina Super Bowl and then his 50 TD season in 2007.

It's just Brady gets all the credit for super bowl wins during a time when the Patriots had a good defense. Ever since the pats have become an offensive team, they haven't won a super bowl. They've become the Colts when everybody said Manning couldn't win a big game.

Further about HoF QB; Bellicheat had a damn good QB in Testaverde with the Browns. Vinny had 2 Pro Bowls in his future. Testaverde had a borderrline HoF career. Had the Jets broken through in 1998 or had he not gotten injured in 1999....

[Lupz27]

This is just a bad comparison. Brady wasn't a HOF QB when the Patriots won their first super bowl. He wasn't even that good. He had what, 150 Yards passing and 1 TD? Since when is that a HOF QB? Did he turn the ball over? No, but that first super bowl was because of the Patriots defense and Adam V not Tom Brady. He had a nice drive that resulted in a 50 yard field goal. In a 20-17 game against one of the greatest offenses in the history of the NFL. To not give BB any credit and give it all to Brady is a bit ridiculous. Saying BB cheated and taped practices is another thing. But don't say Brady was some HOF QB those first few years. He was a good QB, but he wasn't really 'Great' until that Carolina Super Bowl and then his 50 TD season in 2007.

It's just Brady gets all the credit for super bowl wins during a time when the Patriots had a good defense. Ever since the pats have become an offensive team, they haven't won a super bowl. They've become the Colts when everybody said Manning couldn't win a big game.

You forget his defense was built by the previous regime, he didn't draft Ty Law, Teddy Bruschi, McGinnest, Ted Johnson, Lawyer Milloy, ect.. these were all BILL PARCELLS draft picks, and also Terry Glenn, who was not Parcells pick, and probably the reason why he decided to jump ship from the Pats after 1996, he couldn't take being told what to do with his 1st round pick, and he was to proud to forget that, and that could be where the relationship with him, and the Pats first started to waiver.