27 replies to this topic

[JOJOTOWNSELL]

if you step back and look at the situation objectively you start to feel for Sanchez.......zero continuity on the offensive side of the ball with a young Qb is a recipe for disaster. How much success would Luck or RG3 have if their teams implement an entirely new offensive scheme the next 3 years?? We never gave this kid a chance to succeed, its a damn shame

[slats]

Seriously?

[JOJOTOWNSELL]

Seriously?

yes seriously......3 new coaches in 36 months is a terrible look IMO

[Ignatius del Sol]

Seriously?

Turnabout is fair play.

[gangreenman]

yes seriously......3 new coaches in 36 months is a terrible look IMO

Nevermind the rotating door we've had at all the WR positions since Sanchez got here and all of the shuffling done along the OL as well (aside from C, RG, and LT). Not saying Sanchez ever had it in him to be Rodgers or Brady no matter our GM or coach, but to say that the complete mismanagement and terrible coaching that has surrounded Sanchez and his offense the past three years has nothing to do with his worsening performance would also be a bit naive.

[slats]

First, Sanchez had one OC for his first three years.

Second, Luck and RGIII don't appear to suck enough to get multiple OCs fired.

[SenorGato]

He's just a boy!!

[gangreenman]

First, Sanchez had one OC for his first three years.

Second, Luck and RGIII don't appear to suck enough to get multiple OCs fired.

Id also like to point out that both Luck and RGIII play for coaches that are competent on the offensive side of the ball, and understand the importance of letting QBs throw the ball and take chances, even on 1st down early in games!! They do not view their Franchise QBs as people that will avoid turnovers, but let them go out and be difference makers!! They also will not be asking their franchise QBs to develop chemistry with two or three new stopgap, troubled, receivers every other year, or play behind an OL that they let deteriorate.

Novel concepts, i know.

[Ryno the Jet]

Oh, boy! Poor Markie...him never had a chance. I'm pretty sure the rookie QBs you mentioned and the others having success are playing in new systems, with new WRs, under new coaches (with the exception of Tannehill). Peyton Manning seems to be doing ok, and Brady has had revolving OCs and WRs for years. Aaron Rogers has a new OC and his WRs keep changing due to injuries.

Good QBs shine through when their chips are down and the odds are against them. Mark is defeated. His demeanor shows it and his teamattes know it. He was afforded plenty of opportunity here. Time to move on, for Mark and his apologists.

[slats]

Id also like to point out that both Luck and RGIII play for coaches that are competent on the offensive side of the ball, and understand the importance of letting QBs throw the ball and take chances, even on 1st down early in games!! They do not view their Franchise QBs as people that will avoid turnovers, but let them go out and be difference makers!! They also will not be asking their franchise QBs to develop chemistry with two or three new stopgap, troubled, receivers every other year, or play behind an OL that they let deteriorate.

Novel concepts, i know.

There's no defense for the alleged development of Mark Sanchez by the New York Jets, but that doesn't mean that Sanchez was ever really developable. Although they did try to open up the offense in his second year, with subpar results.

[greeniemeanie]

I think we have a chicken and egg scenario here...

Fact is that the offense was never really a concern with this regime (be it continuity on the OL, WR's or the play calling and schemes) Schotty is a piss poor OC, Sparano is worse. Our Oline was dominant in run-blocking, never in pass protection, but even that deteriorated over the last few seasons. The WR's were the best when you had Edwards, Holmes, and Cotchery... not really world beaters, but the best we have had here.

Add in the fact that the entire time Sanchez has been here, he was asked to manage games, and you have a lot of factors beyond Sanchez's control that worked against him.

Now, you have to hold Sanchez accountable as well. The kid was a bad pick. He had less experience than most QB's drafted out of college, especially in the slot he was chosen. His mental make-up is obviously a big issue, and while he may have above average physical traits, there is nothing that makes hime head and shoulders a great raw talent.

If you wanted a blue print for what not to do at the QB position of an NFL team, you have it right here.

Draft an inexperienced QB who has not won a championship at any level, surround him by malcontents and inexperienced coaches, shuffle things regularly, decrease the talent around him, and put him on a team with an offensively negligent coach and front office...

Voila, you have a bad QB situation.

Only the Jets seem to have mastered the art of screwing up the QB position for close to 40 years.

Time to start over, or pray for a miracle, or both.

[unbanmadmike1]

It's only a good idea to have stability if you're a success... Stability for the sake of stability is Glenn Sather and Isiah Thomas.

[JetsFanInDenver]

Our offense sucks. It cannot get any worse than that. So lets clean house.

P.S: I miss the Brooks Bollinger era!

Edited by JetsFanInDenver, 29 December 2012 - 01:01 PM.

[Bleedin Green]

We've really gotten to the point that people are now using things that haven't even happened yet, after Sanchez has already definitively proven that he's simply not good enough to be a starting QB in the NFL, as an excuse as to why he sucks so bad? This has reached all new levels of sadness.

[Jetscode1]

I think we have a chicken and egg scenario here...

Fact is that the offense was never really a concern with this regime (be it continuity on the OL, WR's or the play calling and schemes) Schotty is a piss poor OC, Sparano is worse. Our Oline was dominant in run-blocking, never in pass protection, but even that deteriorated over the last few seasons. The WR's were the best when you had Edwards, Holmes, and Cotchery... not really world beaters, but the best we have had here.

Add in the fact that the entire time Sanchez has been here, he was asked to manage games, and you have a lot of factors beyond Sanchez's control that worked against him.

Now, you have to hold Sanchez accountable as well. The kid was a bad pick. He had less experience than most QB's drafted out of college, especially in the slot he was chosen. His mental make-up is obviously a big issue, and while he may have above average physical traits, there is nothing that makes hime head and shoulders a great raw talent.

If you wanted a blue print for what not to do at the QB position of an NFL team, you have it right here.

Draft an inexperienced QB who has not won a championship at any level, surround him by malcontents and inexperienced coaches, shuffle things regularly, decrease the talent around him, and put him on a team with an offensively negligent coach and front office...

Voila, you have a bad QB situation.

Only the Jets seem to have mastered the art of screwing up the QB position for close to 40 years.

Time to start over, or pray for a miracle, or both.

Agreed with point that the offense has been an afterthought under this regime...one of the easiest criticisms of Rex...on Sanchez and a bad draft pick...not so sure...I mean obviously in hindsight it's a disaster...but an organization has to take chances, especially at the QB position to thrive in the NFL...he had decent potential coming out and most draft experts had him as the second best QB coming out...

The biggest problem was not having a plan to ensure growth and a fall back plan when he would take a step back...I mean a 50-year old Mark Brunnel as a backup...wow. The biggest knock on Sanchez coming out was his lack of experience...and the Jets do not ensure a quality backup...it's inexcusable...Sanchez looked to me like a kid who would have benefited from some clipboard time to help him process the game. Instead, Rex just keeps blowing smoke up his ass and telling him he's got confidence in him...really wish he had taken the hard love approach and sat him when he sucked and looked overwhelmed...the problem is we never had a backup who made Mark fear for his job. Even this year, they trade for a guy who had less skills than Sanchez but with a following. Never a serious threat to his playing time. The Jets competitors could not have designed a better plan to sabotage this organization.

Incompetence. Jets fans should demand a new regime to start over. Hope Woody listens.

[tEYbow]

We need to fire Schotty!

[tEYbow]

We need stability at offensive coordinator!

[kay_gee]

it's been a bad situation. that said, Sanchez has been getting worse and worse in a way that has nothing to do with the OC.

[FloridaJetsFan]

Umm, hate to be Mr. Obvious, but Little Markie has only had 2 OC's in his 4 years with the Jets, so let's be clear about that - you only speculate that 1. Sporano will be gone next, and 2. that Little Markie will still be in a green uniform next year. Speculation aside, you seem to completely ignore the fact that Little Markie completely sucks. I'd present stats, but I fear that would be like piling on.

[HessStation]

First, Sanchez had one OC for his first three years.

Second, Luck and RGIII don't appear to suck enough to get multiple OCs fired.

this thread is officially over. Slats has won.