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[JFtoLong]

Exactly, Tannenbaum was fired for bad contracts, sparano, and most important, to get a new face in here to evaluate everything, including Rex. He was not fired for the talent, that is up to the head coach.

Sparano was all Rex, Rex raved about Sparano and how good a fit he was to the style offense he wanted to play.

Tanny was never put in GM role to be a traditional GM, he was put in for Mangjni to be a Paoli type.
Mangini was far better at talent evaluation than Rex.

Rex is atrocious as a talent evaluator, and a horrible leader. He is a very good defensive mind, but absolutely not a HC.

[JFtoLong]

I don't know how I'd compare Rex to Mangini and Herm, all 3 are awful, but the latter 2 never lost locker rooms like this and certainly not to this degree. Herm was just a bad overall coach and never seemed to grasp how to manage a game, Mangini was just stubborn because he thought he was Belichick...Rex though, there are just so many issues that are all so weird. That's the only way to describe all this stuff. I truly think the guy just has some real mental issues. You watch him in these postgame conferences and it looks like he doesn't realize that he's speaking to adults with ears and eyeballs.

I will say this with confidence, if Mangini was still here, the team would much better than it is now.
Mangini was boring as fk, but he had a good plan and had a good eye for talent.

He would have needed good coordinators, and wanted to fire Schitty, but even Parcells needed good coordinators.

They would have been better off with Mangink than Rex.

[RSJ]

1. Fine. Then Tannenbaum is rightfully getting fired for listening to Rex, a dumbass personnel evaluator. Doesn't mean that's supposed to be his job. Rex is there to coach the talent he's given, and he does a pretty solid job at that. Give him an average QB and he'd make the playoffs every single season.

2. Fine. He's still GREAT at something. Who was the last Jet HC you could say that about? How many coaches in the league can you say that about?

3. I don't think he did. I think Herm thought he was a capable HC. He wasn't. Meanwhile, Mangini was given the same amount of time that Rex has, and did less with it.

1) Even though most won't agree, I do agree that Rex gets the team to play hard for him. This year there was a HUGE lack of talent, again mostly to do with Rex's past decisions.

2) There are a ton of great coordinators that just cant be head coaches. I think that Rex is one of them unfortunately. I believe this because it seems like he can not fix problems. Rhodes was soft, he trades him. Holmes messes up, no more captains, assistants say stuff behind his back, deny it. ect. ect. ect He just doesn't handle these issues the way a head coach should. What happens if the next GM brings in another Rhodes? What would Rex do then? Could he coach him? The coach has to have heavy say in personnel. It just has to be that way.

3) Herm was a better head coach. Not by much - but he was. And Mangini was only given 3 years. I would have liked to see what he could have done in 2009.

[RSJ]

No its not. That's up to the GM and the scouting department. The HC can't spend his fall days watching college football gametape. If Rex had a ton of say in personnel, that doesn't mean it's all Rex's fault. It means Tannenbaum, Bradway and co. are really sh*tty at their jobs. It wasn't supposed to be Rex's job to begin with.

The scouts narrow it down. Then Rex decides (see the story about Rex sitting in his office before the draft watching tape on a college LB when he discovered the Terminator) Ofcourse Rex doesnt attend UK games. Once the scouts narrow it down, Rex makes the final call. It has been this way since Parcells was here and it still is this way here.

[JFtoLong]

The scouts narrow it down. Then Rex decides (see the story about Rex sitting in his office before the draft watching tape on a college LB when he discovered the Terminator) Ofcourse Rex doesnt attend UK games. Once the scouts narrow it down, Rex makes the final call. It has been this way since Parcells was here and it still is this way here.

Exactly right, so hard for jet fans to accept

[RSJ]

I will say this with confidence, if Mangini was still here, the team would much better than it is now.
Mangini was boring as fk, but he had a good plan and had a good eye for talent.

He would have needed good coordinators, and wanted to fire Schitty, but even Parcells needed good coordinators.

They would have been better off with Mangink than Rex.

+100000000 Firing Mangini was a huge mistake. I would love it if the Jets could get him back in some capacity. He kind of got a raw deal here and in Ceveland.

[Bleedin Green]

Those teams were loaded with talent. Since then Rex has slowly destroyed it. He is horrible at evaluating talent and even a worse leader. Sanchez is actually a better QB than Rex is a head coach. Both suck though. Don't confuse Rex's ability to coach a defense with his ability to be a head coach.

There is no human being in the history of the entire world who is worse at their job than Sanchez is as an NFL QB.

[Jetsfan80]

+100000000 Firing Mangini was a huge mistake. I would love it if the Jets could get him back in some capacity. He kind of got a raw deal here and in Ceveland.

No he didn't. If HC's are as responsible for talent evaluation as you say, he's responsible for Vernon Gholston.

[Jetsfan80]

There is no human being in the history of the entire world who is worse at their job than Sanchez is as an NFL QB.

Former Captain BG swoops in as the voice of reason with a rare one-liner. Maybe there is hope for the Jets....and JN....after all.

[JFtoLong]

There is no human being in the history of the entire world who is worse at their job than Sanchez is as an NFL QB.

Rex Ryan is the Mark Sanchez of HC's, same record and all

[JFtoLong]

No he didn't. If HC's are as responsible for talent evaluation as you say, he's responsible for Vernon Gholston.

It was a huge mistake, and Rex has made more significant And more mistakes, and somehow is loved, I guess his big mouth has fooled the jet fams

[RSJ]

No he didn't. If HC's are as responsible for talent evaluation as you say, he's responsible for Vernon Gholston.

One bad pick out of a ton of good ones. Yes Vernon was his fault - but everyone misses a few.

[JFtoLong]

No he didn't. If HC's are as responsible for talent evaluation as you say, he's responsible for Vernon Gholston.

Considering sanche was Rex's pick, I'd say Rex's mistake was far worse.

[Jetsfan80]

One bad pick out of a ton of good ones. Yes Vernon was his fault - but everyone misses a few.

You're not allowed to miss that badly on the 6th pick in the draft. Same reason why Tannenbaum is gone. Sanchez (5th pick).

Particularly under the old CBA when top 10 picks were so costly against the cap.

Edited by Jetsfan80, 30 December 2012 - 10:39 PM.

[RutgersJetFan]

I will say this with confidence, if Mangini was still here, the team would much better than it is now.
Mangini was boring as fk, but he had a good plan and had a good eye for talent.

He would have needed good coordinators, and wanted to fire Schitty, but even Parcells needed good coordinators.

They would have been better off with Mangink than Rex.

I agree from a roster standpoint. But I'm 100% confident that I would have stabbed myself in the face by now if Mangini had remained HC. Those games were the worst.

[Jetsfan80]

It was a huge mistake, and Rex has made more significant And more mistakes, and somehow is loved, I guess his big mouth has fooled the jet fams

Link? Pretty sure his approval rating right now is about 10 %.

[RSJ]

You're not allowed to miss that badly on the 6th pick in the draft. Same reason why Tannenbaum is gone. Sanchez (5th pick).

Particularly under the old CBA when top 10 picks were so costly against the cap.

So back then Mangini drafted - but now Tannenbaum does?

Btw he also drafted Revis, Mangold, DBrick, Keller, Brad Smith, D Harris. Those are just off the top of my head.

Mangini would have had to have gotten a QB too. I know it would not have been Sanchez though since he traded him to the Jets. I guess Mangini did get last laugh.

Edited by RSJ, 30 December 2012 - 10:42 PM.

[Jetsfan80]

Considering sanche was Rex's pick, I'd say Rex's mistake was far worse.

Sure. Except that this entire debate is ridiculous, since Tannenbaum ultimately was the man who pulled the trigger on both Gholston AND Sanchez. And now he's gone. Ding dong the witch is dead.

Let's see who the new GM is. If he decides to go in a different direction than Rex, I won't have a problem with it. But this idea that Rex picked the groceries and is somehow worse than Kottite is going too far.

Edited by Jetsfan80, 30 December 2012 - 10:42 PM.

[Bleedin Green]

Rex Ryan is the Mark Sanchez of HC's, same record and all

That's actually not true. Funny thing is, up until last week Rex was actually undefeated when Sanchez wasn't his QB, picking up wins over the Bucs in 2009 with Clemens, Bills in 2010 with Brunell, and you could really even cite the win over Arizona this year considering the Jets were losing when Sanchez's sorry ass was thrown to the bench.

[neckdemon]

Both can't be true. You don't win 4 road playoff games with the worst QB in the league and a HC who's worse than Kotite. Even Parcells only had success when Vinny Testaverde was at his best. Same with Herm and Pennington. We've never had anywhere close to good QB play with Sanchez in there.

bill parcells won a superbowl with jeff hostetler....sure he had to pray for a missed field goal but still......

Edited by neckdemon, 30 December 2012 - 10:44 PM.