Scott Dierking Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Could you imagine what the Jets could accomplish over Rex's tenure with Aaron Rodgers at the helm? What do you think the Jets record would be if McCarthy was their coach this year? If QB is sooooo important (and I agree to a degree), then what don't we get a coach that believes in developing QB's, and is proficient at it. It is apparent that the current jets crop of coaches have zero ability to develop qb's, let a lone an offense. We have seen with our own eyes that a devastating defense (snicker) can not promote a winning program. Let's get someone in who actually values the qb position and considers it important. Rex is not that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 If QB is sooooo important (and I agree to a degree), then what don't we get a coach that believes in developing QB's, and is proficient at it. It is apparent that the current jets crop of coaches have zero ability to develop qb's, let a lone an offense. We have seen with our own eyes that a devastating defense (snicker) can not promote a winning program. Let's get someone in who actually values the qb position and considers it important. Rex is not that guy. Anyone as capable as Rex at shutting down opposing QBs certainly understands the value of a QB. The first draft pick under his watch was a trade up for a QB - it was just the wrong one. Where Rex failed was in his loyalty to that QB and the QB coach he brought with him from the Ravens. The man recognizes the importance of the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Anyone as capable as Rex at shutting down opposing QBs certainly understands the value of a QB. The first draft pick under his watch was a trade up for a QB - it was just the wrong one. Where Rex failed was in his loyalty to that QB and the QB coach he brought with him from the Ravens. The man recognizes the importance of the position. He barely even talks to Sanchez during the season...his father was the same way. He might understand the value of it but he doesnt have a clue about the position itself. Someone was on the radio the other day regarding Buddy and Kotite...who was his OC...he said they maybe talked once the entire season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 He barely even talks to Sanchez during the season...his father was the same way. He might understand the value of it but he doesnt have a clue about the position itself. Someone was on the radio the other day regarding Buddy and Kotite...who was his OC...he said they maybe talked once the entire season. In fairness, I don't think I'd talk to Buddy or Kotite, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 In fairness, I don't think I'd talk to Buddy or Kotite, either. Probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Anyone as capable as Rex at shutting down opposing QBs certainly understands the value of a QB. The first draft pick under his watch was a trade up for a QB - it was just the wrong one. Where Rex failed was in his loyalty to that QB and the QB coach he brought with him from the Ravens. The man recognizes the importance of the position. The only thing Rex knows about QB's, is that his defense, even after numerous top round picks, can't get after one. Rex and Matt Cavanaugh are not the personnel to develop qb's. As everyone is clamoring for an upgrade to the position, let's do this the right way, with a staff that will nurture the position, rather than leave it to rot on the vine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 If QB is sooooo important (and I agree to a degree), then what don't we get a coach that believes in developing QB's, and is proficient at it. It is apparent that the current jets crop of coaches have zero ability to develop qb's, let a lone an offense. We have seen with our own eyes that a devastating defense (snicker) can not promote a winning program. Let's get someone in who actually values the qb position and considers it important. Rex is not that guy. Are you asking me? I have no idea why they dont. I'm just a fan and have no control over it. But I disagree that Rex doesnt put value in it. His first move was drafting what he thought would be a franchise QB, clearly he values the position. Its just not his thing (like many HC's) to develop him and teach him the ins and outs of the position. In your opinion, its his fault for picking the wrong guys to develop him. IMO he just picked the wrong QB. And you didnt answer the question... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 The only thing Rex knows about QB's, is that his defense, even after numerous top round picks, can't get after one. Rex and Matt Cavanaugh are not the personnel to develop qb's. As everyone is clamoring for an upgrade to the position, let's do this the right way, with a staff that will nurture the position, rather than leave it to rot on the vine. He's drafted 2 players to get after the QB. They both led the team in sacks and one got robbed of a Pro Bowl in his 2nd year. The other thing that Rex knows about QB's, is that his defense, is one of the hardest in the league to throw against having a top 3 passing defense for 4 years straight (this year without the great Darrelle Revis). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Rex reminds me of mafia Ape, not me. My boasts and brags are meant to be transparent and self-deprecating in many ways, which is why I usually post and then encourage you guys to zing me. I get pissed when you tards waste good setups. Wait there's TWO of you?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Wait there's TWO of you?! At least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Come on man, I'm not even trying to defend Rex here, but when you spew nonsense like this you only hurt your own cause. You do realize the Jets were in first place in the AFC East, second in the conference and coming off a win over the previously undefeated Titans before Favre's injury, right? And that was in spite of coming off a 4-12 season, having Favre show up about 5 minutes before the start of the season and having that dipsh*t Mangini as the head coach. I'm not saying that coaching isn't important, it obviously is, but you can't simply dismiss the major impact the QB has, far greater than anything else. It's not that McCarthy isn't a good coach, but the guy has spent his entire coaching career with one of Favre or Rodgers as his starting QB. It would take a special level of incompetence to not get at least some kind of success out of that. It's the same Phil Jackson isn't a great coach cause he only coaches superstars theory. Rodgers might've become a HOF QB with or without McCarthy, but coaching has a lot to do with it. Mike Shanahan went to the AFC Championship game with Jake the Snake. Rex Ryan is a great DC. It's the main reason the Jets went to the AFC Championship game twice with Mark Sanchez. The problem is it only takes you so far. The Packers went 6-10 Rodgers first year... Was anybody saying he was a great QB? People were pissed that they let Favre go. The Packers went from the NFC Championship game with Favre to a team that went 6-10 with Aaron Rodgers. You forget how bad it was in Green Bay. Favre was a hero. He was a god. People thought he was forced out and the Packers and McCarthy looked bad for forcing him out to go with Rodgers. The looked bad because they didn't want to trade him to the Vikings. So Rodgers put up numbers, but not wins. So saying it's all about the QB is a bit off the mark. The Packers were 6-10 with a QB the entire organization picked over a HOF QB. And Favre did what, had a good season with the Jets, but was hurt and the Jets finished 9-7. Mangini was fired, Favre was gone, and the rest is history. And it is about coaching. Rodgers put up good numbers, but went 6-10 his first season as a starter. He wasn't a guy McCarthy picked. Many coaches like to pick their own QB if they can. If it's all about the QB, why wasn't Favre a super bowl QB in Atlanta? Why wasn't Steve Young an MVP in Tampa? Why wasn't Vinny a winner in Tampa? Why is Matt Schaub a starter in Houston and was never good enough in Atlanta? How did Kerry Collins make it to the super bowl with the Giants, spend a good number of years winning with the Titans after being an alcoholic wash out in Carolina? Why did the Eagles with Cunningham never win a playoff game until an OC took over to become HC? Sometimes teams with great QBs need good head coaches. Of course if he have a bad QB you are going to struggle. But thats on Rex Ryan. Rex picked Sanchez. He stuck with Sanchez. And when this season got so out of control, he choose to activate an injured Tim Tebow over a healthy 3rd String QB. He activated a QB whom he would never even play as QB. That is coaching. Instead of benching Sanchez because he was stinking up the joint that night, all season long, he choose to activate a backup QB who he thought was too hurt to even play. Was he afraid that if Greg came in and won, Sanchez couldn't start again? And why never even start Tebow? Everybody thinks the kid sucks, but at some point, if somehow Tebow won a game, his trade value goes up. Coaching is more important than you realize. You keep saying HOF QBs, but at the end of the day, The Patriots beat the Rams in the super bowl not because of Tom Brady, but because of a Defense that kept maybe the best offensive team in the history of the NFL to 17 points. The Giants won a super bowl over the Patriots more because the Defense held Tom Brady and the 18-0 dominate offensive Patriots to 14 points. HOF QBs aren't the reason the defense holds other teams to 14 and 17 points. The problem Rex has is the same problem his father Buddy had. They don't really concentrate on the offense. Or care to. Rex figured Sanchez was his franchise QB and who cares about anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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