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[JoeWillie]

It's astonishing to me that guys who are considered football "geniuses" by most people ... men like Lombardi, Madden, Shula, Summerall, Al Davis, Sid Gilman, Bill Walsh, Willie Davis, Bear Bryant, Fred Dryer, Merlin Olsen, the list goes on and on ... former players, coaches, front office guys who have forgotten more about football than the average fan will ever know, can call Namath one of the top 5 or 10 quarterbacks the game has ever seen ... yet the young fan who never saw Namath play will essentially ignore the experiences, insights, and opinions of these football experts, believing that they can better assess a player they never saw play by evaluating statistics and comparing them to players who play a vastly different game 40 years later.

It's just the epitome of ignorance.

Edited by JoeWillie, 04 January 2013 - 07:20 PM.

[neckdemon]

take a look at this play at 1:35 into the video - that's an incrediable throw.......

ya know whats most amazing about this? he almost effortlessly flicked the football 45 yards right on the ****ing money

Edited by neckdemon, 04 January 2013 - 07:40 PM.

[Lil Bit Special]

It's astonishing to me that guys who are considered football "geniuses" by most people ... men like Lombardi, Madden, Shula, Summerall, Al Davis, Sid Gilman, Bill Walsh, Willie Davis, Bear Bryant, Fred Dryer, Merlin Olsen, the list goes on and on ... former players, coaches, front office guys who have forgotten more about football than the average fan will ever know, can call Namath one of the top 5 or 10 quarterbacks the game has ever seen ... yet the young fan who never saw Namath play will essentially ignore the experiences, insights, and opinions of these football experts, believing that they can better assess a player they never saw play by evaluating statistics and comparing them to players who play a vastly different game 40 years later.

It's just the epitome of ignorance.

Its astonishing that the old people glorify the old days and cant come to terms that newer things are sometimes better than the old.

Namath was a good player for his time. To try and rank any player from different eras is retarded and a waste of time and breath. Its not a fair thing to say he is a top 5 or top 10 ever.. or not a top 5 or top 10. there is no real way to evaluate him vs modern QBs

[Bugg]

ya know whats most amazing about this? he almost effortlessly flicked the football 45 yards right on the ****ing money

Other than maybe Dan Marino nobody has ever ahd a release as quick and fluid as Namath. He got very beat up from injuries and it dragged down his productivity. And frankly he partied a lot and didn;t take care of himself. But he was surrounded by weak teams in the 1970s. The Jets basically gave away Riggins in a salary dispute.

[Lil Bit Special]

While you're right about the merger being in the works since 1966, you're wrong about Namath not having anything to do with it.

It was the bidding war for his services between the two leagues in 1965 that made the NFL realize the best thing to do was merge.

Namath had everything to do with the evolution of the league as we know it today.

You give him way too much credit. Its fun to glorify him. But there is a lot more than Joe Namath that changed the game through the 60's and 70's.

But when your username is Joe Willie, I wouldnt expect any less.

[Lil Bit Special]

Other than maybe Dan Marino nobody has ever ahd a release as quick and fluid as Namath. He got very beat up from injuries and it dragged down his productivity. And frankly he partied a lot and didn;t take care of himself. But he was surrounded by weak teams in the 1970s. The Jets basically gave away Riggins in a salary dispute.

WAIT!!! The Jets have always been retarded!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bugg]

Its astonishing that the old people glorify the old days and cant come to terms that newer things are sometimes better than the old.

Namath was a good player for his time. To try and rank any player from different eras is retarded and a waste of time and breath. Its not a fair thing to say he is a top 5 or top 10 ever.. or not a top 5 or top 10. there is no real way to evaluate him vs modern QBs

Ths game and especially to rules have changed. But also consider size, speed, training, equipment , nutrition. Consider OL and DL guys played then at tops 250/275, which is now the size of some safeties.

Edited by Bugg, 04 January 2013 - 07:56 PM.

[Lil Bit Special]

Ths game and especially to rules have changed. Vut also consider size, speed, training, equipment , nutrition. Consider OL and DL guys played thena t tops 250/275, which is now the size of some safeties.

Everything is different. Thats why its an impossible task to compare a QB or pretty much any player from the 50/60/70's to a modern QB. Heck, watch film from the 80's and 90's... different game then than it is now. The sport has evolved.

[Bugg]

WAIT!!! The Jets have always been retarded!!!!!!!!!!!

Mostly yes.

[JoeWillie]

Its astonishing that the old people glorify the old days and cant come to terms that newer things are sometimes better than the old.

Namath was a good player for his time. To try and rank any player from different eras is retarded and a waste of time and breath. Its not a fair thing to say he is a top 5 or top 10 ever.. or not a top 5 or top 10. there is no real way to evaluate him vs modern QBs

He wasn't a good player for his time ... he is widely considered by some of the greatest football minds ever (not mine) as the BEST player of his time at his position. That's exactly the point. Yet people who never saw him play disregard him as just a popular cult figure, and not what he was ... the best QB in the NFL for about a 5 or 6 year period.

As far as your second statement about evaluating players of different eras ... again that's exactly my point ... you can't. But young fans continue to compare players now statistically to players like Namath or other eras and swear that contemporary players are "better" than players they never even saw play, which is just ridiculous. It's a different game now than it was 40 years ago and some, like myself, don't necessarily think it's "evolved" for the better.

The NFL has turned into a 7 on 7 passing league. Much easier to throw the ball now than it was then. That's the reality.

I don't think Namath was the greatest QB I ever saw ... but to dismiss him as just a "good" player even for his era is just plain ignorance.

Edited by JoeWillie, 04 January 2013 - 08:12 PM.

[Larz]

the bookie who got to morrall should be MVP

lolz

[sirlancemehlot]

Whether the Jets won or not, whether the fans wanted it or not, the merger was happening. Its all post-merger bullcrap that gives Joe credit.

right. who are you arguing with? No one said he caused the merger.

Let's try again.

Jets beating an NFL team considered far superior to any AFL team legitimized the AFL and made the merger more acceptable to fans who did not see the leagues as equals. Which part of this isn't true?