Jump to content

  •  

Photo
- - - - -

Reviewing "Trader Mike"


  • Please log in to reply
40 replies to this topic

#1 CrazyCarl40

CrazyCarl40

    3rd Year Veteran

  • Members
  • 11,271 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

http://www.nj.com/je..._nfl_draft.html

Jets' philosophy under Mike Tannenbaum of trading draft choices leads to mixed results

By Mike Vorkunov/The Star-LedgerThe Star-Ledger
on January 04, 2013 at 3:12 PM, updated January 04, 2013 at 3:19 PM


Jets News, Jan. 4, 2013

Everything looks clear hindsight, so excuse the obvious second-guessing to come. In fact, this isn't supposed to be anything more than a factual perspective on Mike Tannenbaum's draft dealings. The former Jets general manager, who was fired by the team Monday, had his hits and his misses. What follows are the highlights and talking points.


2012 DRAFT
The Jets trade a fifth and a seventh round pick to move up four spots, from the No. 47 overall pick (2nd round) to Seattle's No. 43. With that pick they take WR Stephen Hill. He had an uneven rookie season, plagued by dropped passes and injuries. He finished the season with 21 catches for 252 yards and three touchdowns. With the No. 47 pick, the Seahawks take LB Bobby Wagner -- a leading contender for the Defensive Rookie of the Year award who finished with 140 tackles, three interceptions, and finished as Pro Football Focus' second-highest graded inside linebacker while playing in the Seahawks' 4-3 defense.
With the 224th overall pick, the New England Patriots select CB Alfonzo Dennard. The pick comes to them via the Packers, who acquired it in a trade for OL Caleb Schlauderaff. Dennard started seven games for the Patriots this season and had three interceptions in 10 games.

2011 DRAFT

The Jets trade up eight spots in the fifth round and swap a sixth rounder for a seventh rounder with the Eagles. It nets them WR Jeremy Kerley, who was their leading receiver this season with 56 catches for 827 yards.

The Jets traded a 2011 conditional pick for CB Antonio Cromartie. This was a slam dunk for the Jets. They got Cromartie before the 2010 season and gave up a conditional pick that became a second-rounder in this draft and was used on LB Jonas Mouton. Cromartie is a Pro Bowler this season and Mouton has played three career games.

2010 DRAFT
The Jets trade RB and kick returner Leon Washington to the Seahawks for a 5th round pick. Washington, coming off a torn ACL at the time of the trade, has turned out to be a dynamic player with Seattle. He returned three kickoffs for touchdowns in 2010 and one this season. The Jets took John Conner with the pick. The fullback, nicknamed "The Terminator," was waived this season.

The Jets acquire WR Santonio Holmes from the Steelers for a fifth round pick. Holmes had 746 receiving yards and six touchdowns in 12 games in his first season with the Jets and helped them go to an AFC Championship Games as their No. 1 wide receiver. His numbers dipped in 2011 and this season was cut short due to a foot injury after four games. The pick, No. 155 overall, was traded to Arizona for CB Bryant McFadden and sixth rounder. No. 155 became QB John Skelton, who was ineffective for Arizona this season. The Steelers' sixth rounder was used on WR Antonio Brown, who had 1,108 yards last season and 787 this season in 13 games, as he's emerged as one of Ben Roethlisberger's favorite receivers and an emerging threat in the NFL.

The Jets trade S Kerry Rhodes to Arizona for a 4th round pick and a 7th round pick in 2011. Rhodes has been good for the Cardinals, ranking as the fourth-best safety according to Pro Football Focus this season. The fourth round pick was then traded in a deal that netted the draft pick that became Joe McKnight. And the seventh round pick became QB Greg McElroy, who made his first NFL appearance in relief of Mark Sanchez this year against the Cardinals after Sanchez was picked off three times -- including twice by Rhodes.

The Jets acquire Braylon Edwards from the Browns for a 3rd round pick, a 5th rounder, WR Chansi Stuckey, and LB Jason Trusnik. All four players the Browns took on have had nondescript careers since this trade happened during the 2009 season, while Edwards helped the Jets make two AFC Championship Games.

2009 DRAFT
The Jets trade the No. 17 pick, their second-rounder (No. 52), DE Kenyon Coleman, S Abram Elam and QB Brett Ratliff for the No. 5 overall pick. This, of course, is how the Jets acquired Mark Sanchez, the quarterback who helped them get to AFC Championship Games in his first two seasons but cratered this year. The No. 17 was then traded to Tampa Bay, who took QB Josh Freeman. Freeman has had a rocky career. He played poorly his rookie year, threw 25 touchdowns to six interceptions and a 95.9 QB rating his second season, had a 16-22 TD:Int ratio last season, and rebounded this year with 27 touchdown passes.
The Jets traded their third round pick for QB Brett Favre. Obviously, this trade occurred prior to the 2008 season. It was for conditional fourth-round pick but after he threw 22 TDs and 22 interceptions in his lone season with the team, while leading them to a 9-7 record, the pick became a third round selection. The Packers ultimately traded the pick in a deal that helped them acquire OLB Clay Matthews, sending it to New England, who chose WR Brandon Tate No. 83 overall.

2008 DRAFT
The Jets trade the No. 36 overall pick and the No. 113 to Green Bay for the No. 30 overall pick, slipping back into the first round. With that, they select TE Dustin Keller, who has been a consistent threat for them in his first four years with the Jets before being hobbled this season and missing eight games. With the No. 36 pick, the Packers took WR Jordy Nelson, who has developed into a one of the top-15 receivers in the NFL. Last year he had 1,263 receiving yards and caught 15 touchdowns. This season he had 745 yards and seven touchdowns in 12 games.

2007 DRAFT
The Jets acquire RB Thomas Jones and the No. 63 overall pick (a second rounder) from the Chicago Bears for the No. 37 overall pick. Jones went on to have three straight 1,100-yard-plus season with the Jets, peaking with 1,402 yards and 14 touchdowns in 2009. A month after this trade, the No. 63 pick was traded to Green Bay in a deal that landed LB David Harris, who has started all but five games in his career. The No. 37 pick was eventually traded to San Diego, who selected S Eric Weddle, who has become arguably the best safety in the NFL.
The Jets acquire the No. 14 pick and a sixth rounder from the Panthers for the No. 25 pick, a second rounder and a fifth. This is the deal that netted the Jets CB Darrelle Revis. Enough said.

2006 DRAFT
In what was a three-team trade, the Jets traded away DE John Abraham to the Falcons and received the 29th overall pick. Abraham, no longer a fit with the Jets despite 10.5 sacks the previous season, was sent packing prior to Eric Mangini's first season. In return the Jets used the pick on C Nick Mangold, who has been a stable fulcrum of the Jets' offensive line and a four-time Pro Bowler.

Mike Vorkunov: mvorkunov@starledger.com; twitter.com/Mike_Vorkunov
  • 0

#2 Integrity28

Integrity28

    I love it when Idzik's plan comes together.

  • Members
  • 32,190 posts
  • Locationwrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time

Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:40 PM

2006 DRAFT
In what was a three-team trade, the Jets traded away DE John Abraham to the Falcons and received the 29th overall pick. Abraham, no longer a fit with the Jets despite 10.5 sacks the previous season, was sent packing prior to Eric Mangini's first season. In return the Jets used the pick on C Nick Mangold, who has been a stable fulcrum of the Jets' offensive line and a four-time Pro Bowler.

Mike Vorkunov: mvorkunov@starledger.com; twitter.com/Mike_Vorkunov


This "no longer a fit" nonsense is where we really went wrong. Mawae had at least 3 productive season for Tennessee after we cut him. Abraham is STILL productive.

The fact that the Jets duped us all into thinking trading away our best pass rusher in a decade, so that we could draft a center to replace a center we cut for NO reason is amazing... we still all just accept this.

Never should have happened.

Letting Mangini get away with 3 years of "rebuilding" because he had to get "his guys" to retool the defense for the 3-4, when EVERY other team I've seen convert to the 3-4 this decade does it in ONE off-season was Tannenbaum's foundation for ineptitude.
  • 1

"Idz a process."

 

Posted Image


#3 Integrity28

Integrity28

    I love it when Idzik's plan comes together.

  • Members
  • 32,190 posts
  • Locationwrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time

Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:42 PM

More on-topic... I am all for trading up for a can't miss prospect. Tanny missed too much.

I'd have also preferred it if he traded down more often too, to get back the picks he was giving up so often. He fleeced the Browns for Sanchez though, to his credit. He just ****ed up by not having a veteran to play in front of him in year 1, and having athletes around him when he was ready. Developed that kid like sh*t... it could have and should have gone way different.

I hope Woody doesn't make it a mandate that we over-react to the all the trading Mike did, and make the new GM never trade. Would be very Woody-esque over-correcting like a mofo.

Edited by Integrity28, 04 January 2013 - 03:43 PM.

  • 0

"Idz a process."

 

Posted Image


#4 T0mShane

T0mShane

    From devil to Bevell, '15

  • Members
  • 25,791 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

Abraham flat-out quit on the team. In the playoffs. F#ck that guy.
  • 1
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.

#5 SayNoToDMC

SayNoToDMC

    In search of terminally ill online girlfriend

  • Members
  • 6,510 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:49 PM

Abraham flat-out quit on the team. In the playoffs. F#ck that guy.


This. I don't miss that guy at all, but I really hope Mangold is back to form next year.
  • 0

28ad228d-4df6-4b64-b890-b5246112bd82.jpg


#6 Integrity28

Integrity28

    I love it when Idzik's plan comes together.

  • Members
  • 32,190 posts
  • Locationwrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time

Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:51 PM

Abraham flat-out quit on the team. In the playoffs. F#ck that guy.


7 years of productivity later, and here we are in shambles with no pass rushers, and he's in the playoffs... your butthurt clouds your vision.
  • 0

"Idz a process."

 

Posted Image


#7 T0mShane

T0mShane

    From devil to Bevell, '15

  • Members
  • 25,791 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:56 PM

7 years of productivity later, and here we are in shambles with no pass rushers, and he's in the playoffs... your butthurt clouds your vision.


It was either trade him or give him the Code Red.
  • 0
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.

#8 Integrity28

Integrity28

    I love it when Idzik's plan comes together.

  • Members
  • 32,190 posts
  • Locationwrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time

Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

It was either trade him or give him the Code Red.


Should have kept him. Mangini veiled incompetence behind "needing to get more 3-4 guys" for 3 years. IMO, the Abraham trade and Mawae cut were inexcusable.
  • 0

"Idz a process."

 

Posted Image


#9 SouthernJet

SouthernJet

    Hey, nice marmot!

  • Members
  • 31,022 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:58 PM

Abraham flat-out quit on the team. In the playoffs. F#ck that guy.

y a thugturd..hungover and barfed on sideline in big game also
  • 0
Posted Image

"No straight lines make up my life, and all my roads have bends;
There's no clear-cut beginnings, and so far no dead-ends."

#10 T0mShane

T0mShane

    From devil to Bevell, '15

  • Members
  • 25,791 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

Should have kept him. Mangini veiled incompetence behind "needing to get more 3-4 guys" for 3 years. IMO, the Abraham trade and Mawae cut were inexcusable.



I'm more annoyed at Herm for turning him into a 4-3 end, which got him hurt every year. Dude could have been Demarcus Ware.
  • 0
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.

#11 T0mShane

T0mShane

    From devil to Bevell, '15

  • Members
  • 25,791 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:01 PM

y a thugturd..hungover and barfed on sideline in big game also


Ha. I recall
  • 0
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.

#12 Matt39

Matt39

    BAP

  • Members
  • 20,989 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:04 PM

Abe definitely quit...but Mangold might be the most overrated player in Jets history
  • 0

#13 Pac

Pac

    shark jumper

  • Members
  • 14,179 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:07 PM

7 years of productivity later, and here we are in shambles with no pass rushers, and he's in the playoffs... your butthurt clouds your vision.


Accusing people of being butthurt while acting butthurt is funny.

Mawae was a disruptive force in the lockerroom and one of these anonymous sources we're supposed to hate.

Getting a 1st rounder for Abraham was a coup given the way he loafed.
  • 0

#14 Integrity28

Integrity28

    I love it when Idzik's plan comes together.

  • Members
  • 32,190 posts
  • Locationwrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:10 PM

Accusing people of being butthurt while acting butthurt is funny.

Mawae was a disruptive force in the lockerroom and one of these anonymous sources we're supposed to hate.

Getting a 1st rounder for Abraham was a coup given the way he loafed.


We traded away a pass rusher to draft a center because we cut our pro-bowl center because he had a stronger personality in the locker room than the unqualified boob we hired to be our coach.

We essentially gave up a pro-bowl center and our best pass rusher in 10 years... to draft a center. Genius.

I'm not butthurt. I'm correct... and as usually you are on the stupid side of interpreting a situation.
  • 1

"Idz a process."

 

Posted Image


#15 slats

slats

    9 5/8" hands

  • Moderators
  • 18,819 posts
  • LocationAcross the Universe

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:12 PM

Sperm has already written much better versions of this article.
  • 0
back in my room
wish you were dead
you bawl like the baby
in Eraserhead

#16 redman81

redman81

    Practice Squad Player

  • Members
  • 699 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:17 PM

The Jets trade RB and kick returner Leon Washington to the Seahawks for a 5th round pick. Washington, coming off a torn ACL at the time of the trade, has turned out to be a dynamic player with Seattle. He returned three kickoffs for touchdowns in 2010 and one this season. The Jets took John Conner with the pick. The fullback, nicknamed "The Terminator," was waived this season.


When did Washington have an ACL injury? Pretty sure it was that nasty compound ankle fracture against Oak he was coming off of.

  • 0

#17 T0mShane

T0mShane

    From devil to Bevell, '15

  • Members
  • 25,791 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:17 PM

Abe definitely quit...but Mangold might be the most overrated player in Jets history



Santonio Holmes, Kerry Rhodes, Victor Green, and Chad Pennington say hi.
  • 0
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.

#18 Matt39

Matt39

    BAP

  • Members
  • 20,989 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:20 PM

Santonio Holmes, Kerry Rhodes, Victor Green, and Chad Pennington say hi.


In terms of fan endearment and overall perception, to me , its Mangold. Rhodes, Holmes have all been ousted for the dogs they were/are. Pennington is a good choice though too.

Mangold is the highest paid center in the league.Has he ever stood for anything? Has there ever been a quote from him putting his name on something? Dude hides in the bushes playing center with his fat contract and hasnt even played that well the past two seasons.
  • 0

#19 bitonti

bitonti

    Draft Bathroom Attendant

  • Members
  • 14,719 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:21 PM

the mark sanchez pick is the one that got Tanny fired. Other than that, not too bad. btw saying Eric Weddle is arguable the best safety in the league seems misguided. Hes a pretty good player. He's not in the convo with Reed/ Troy etc.
  • 0

My posts have to get worse, so they can get better.


#20 Pac

Pac

    shark jumper

  • Members
  • 14,179 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:22 PM

We traded away a pass rusher to draft a center because we cut our pro-bowl center because he had a stronger personality in the locker room than the unqualified boob we hired to be our coach.

We essentially gave up a pro-bowl center and our best pass rusher in 10 years... to draft a center. Genius.

I'm not butthurt. I'm correct... and as usually you are on the stupid side of interpreting a situation.


locker room cancers get traded for songs or released all the time. Look who we got for a 5th.

Mangold had a down year but for the most part has been a model of consistency and an anchor of a few very good o-lines.
  • 0

#21 bitonti

bitonti

    Draft Bathroom Attendant

  • Members
  • 14,719 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:22 PM

Mangold is the highest paid center in the league.Has he ever stood for anything? Has there ever been a quote from him putting his name on something? Dude hides in the bushes playing center with his fat contract and hasnt even played that well the past two seasons.


he's not a vocal leader but he has played well. The Jets OL has been top 10 in run blocking and with the incompetence at Qb i don't know what else we can expect from Mangold. He's on his way to a Mawae like borderline HOF career.
  • 0

My posts have to get worse, so they can get better.


#22 Matt39

Matt39

    BAP

  • Members
  • 20,989 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:24 PM

he's not a vocal leader but he has played well. The Jets OL has been top 10 in run blocking and with the incompetence at Qb i don't know what else we can expect from Mangold. He's on his way to a Mawae like borderline HOF career.


I mean he needs to be one though. Mangold is on the tips of everyones tongue nationally as the "best center in the league" Hes respected around the league...why not step up and put your name to something? It wouldnt hurt....some guys just seem to settle in their roles once they get paid.
  • 0

#23 T0mShane

T0mShane

    From devil to Bevell, '15

  • Members
  • 25,791 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:25 PM

nOn terms of fan endearment and overall perception, to me , its Mangold. Rhodes, Holmes have all been ousted for the dogs they were/are. Pennington is a good choice though too.

Mangold is the highest paid center in the league.Has he ever stood for anything? Has there ever been a quote from him putting his name on something? Dude hides in the bushes playing center with his fat contract and hasnt even played that well the past two seasons.



I like Mangold, and he's a good player, but he plays an anonymous position with questionable value.
  • 0
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.

#24 Pac

Pac

    shark jumper

  • Members
  • 14,179 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:27 PM

I like Mangold, and he's a good player, but he plays an anonymous position with questionable value.


his value was on full display when the guy that looked like Mick Foley was playing center for us last year.
  • 0

#25 T0mShane

T0mShane

    From devil to Bevell, '15

  • Members
  • 25,791 posts

Posted 04 January 2013 - 04:28 PM

I mean he needs to be one though. Mangold is on the tips of everyones tongue nationally as the "best center in the league" Hes respected around the league...why not step up and put your name to something? It wouldnt hurt....some guys just seem to settle in their roles once they get paid.



Mawae would have murdered both Holmes and Sanchez, not just physically, but in the locker room and (anonymously) in the paper as well. These Jets could use a guy like that. Honestly, I'm surprised Mangold never emerged as any kind of leader/
  • 0
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users