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[unbanmadmike1]

Yeah, this is a complete reach.

First, this reeks of a meddling owner. Bad, bad news, think Snyder, think Jerry Jones. No GM wants to deal with that crap.

This is magnified by the fact that the entire free world, right or wrong, believes that Woody pushed for Tebow, and the GM who brought him in is now gone.

Second, any smart GM realizes that the window in todays NFL is very, very short.

If a new GM has to keep Rex, he will realize that it is a huge risk, and effectively his hands are tied from a system standpoint for at least a year. I don't care what anyone says, you draft and sign players that you think will fit your systems.

Basically by keeping Rex, you are committing to players that fit his style of defense, and offense.

Meaning, you lose a full year in your very small window.

Any GM worth anything at all will realize this is an absolute awful situation, and I will not be happy with any GM we get in this situation, because it means they are not likely to be any good.

It's not unusual at all for new GM's to be stuck with old coaches. It's not really that clueless by Woody standards.

[JFtoLong]

It's not unusual at all for new GM's to be stuck with old coaches. It's not really that clueless by Woody standards.

I disagree, and I think it's even worse in this situation, given NY and Woodys reputation as a bad owner.

It's not unusual for a coach to be kept, but it is unusual for the forced keeping of the coach. The right way to do it is to say the new GM makes the call.

[Jetscode1]

Yes, I may be reaching, but consider the totality of the Jets situation.

We have a terrible cap situation. We have half our starters either free agents or, due to bloated 2013 salaries, will be cut within the 2 months at the latest. We have no QB. We don't even have a backup QB. Our best offensive player is famous for being a superdouche and is mega-paid and uncuttable until next season. Our best defensive (and overall) player is coming off a season-ending ACL injury and is only under contract for one more year (and can't be franchised). Our pro bowl safety has said the Jets get no discount and he's going to the highest bidder, which we probably can't afford to be. This season is most likely going to be a failure.

So if you're a GM interested in the Jets job, but realize (or believe) that '13 is going to be pretty crappy, which would you choose?

a) The ability to blame the incumbent HC, with the public knowing (or at worst, believing) that he was forced upon you. Plus Rex is such a lightning bolt for press, and has such a big mouth, the blame for 2013 will fall squarely on Rex. The after year 1 he's easily fired (if that's your wish) and you can bring in your hand-picked guy with a clean slate.

b) Bring in your own hand-picked guy to coach a (most likely) sure-thing failure in year 1. If things don't turn around fast, you will be held more responsible for a year-one failure that was unavoidable whether Rex or a newbie took over as the 2013 HC.

In general, I agree that any incoming GM would want his own HC. But if year one is such a mess (from a GM's standpoint), but you still want the job - especially because of the gobs of cap space and latitude you'll have just 1 year into the job? It's not that inconceivable that said new GM would want the ability to not have to shoulder a greater portion of the responsibility for that year 1 failure. Particularly if you get to play it off like you never wanted Rex in the first place, which is believable enough.

If the Jets weren't in this hideous cap and talent scenario, then I agree Rex might be a hindrance for a GM who wants his own guy as HC sooner or later. But in our situation? I don't know that inheriting Rex is such a negative for him. The press already sees Rex as a negative and the press will render the new GM totally blameless for year 1.

Just a thought, anyway.

Have to chose option A, especially knowing the owner wants the HC back for at least one more year. The new GM still has to look at the long-term and with the Jets there are many decisions that ultimately lead to a sub-par 2013. Not to mention the fact that the top end of the 2014 NFL looks quite promising.

Gig em.

[HessStation]

Not for nothing but resign Landry an make the right draft pick at 9 at OLB an this defense is pretty nasty for 2013. Just keeping things honest here.

[JFtoLong]

Not for nothing but resign Landry an make the right draft pick at 9 at OLB an this defense is pretty nasty for 2013. Just keeping things honest here.

It will be, which means we will be 8-8 or 9-7, keep Rex, never get a QB or an offense, and stay in the 6-9 to 9-7 Range he'll that will be Rex, yay!

[JoeWillie]

Yes, I may be reaching, but consider the totality of the Jets situation.

We have a terrible cap situation. We have half our starters either free agents or, due to bloated 2013 salaries, will be cut within the 2 months at the latest. We have no QB. We don't even have a backup QB. Our best offensive player is famous for being a superdouche and is mega-paid and uncuttable until next season. Our best defensive (and overall) player is coming off a season-ending ACL injury and is only under contract for one more year (and can't be franchised). Our pro bowl safety has said the Jets get no discount and he's going to the highest bidder, which we probably can't afford to be. This season is most likely going to be a failure.

So if you're a GM interested in the Jets job, but realize (or believe) that '13 is going to be pretty crappy, which would you choose?

a) The ability to blame the incumbent HC, with the public knowing (or at worst, believing) that he was forced upon you. Plus Rex is such a lightning bolt for press, and has such a big mouth, the blame for 2013 will fall squarely on Rex. The after year 1 he's easily fired (if that's your wish) and you can bring in your hand-picked guy with a clean slate.

b) Bring in your own hand-picked guy to coach a (most likely) sure-thing failure in year 1. If things don't turn around fast, you will be held more responsible for a year-one failure that was unavoidable whether Rex or a newbie took over as the 2013 HC.

In general, I agree that any incoming GM would want his own HC. But if year one is such a mess (from a GM's standpoint), but you still want the job - especially because of the gobs of cap space and latitude you'll have just 1 year into the job? It's not that inconceivable that said new GM would want the ability to not have to shoulder a greater portion of the responsibility for that year 1 failure. Particularly if you get to play it off like you never wanted Rex in the first place, which is believable enough.

If the Jets weren't in this hideous cap and talent scenario, then I agree Rex might be a hindrance for a GM who wants his own guy as HC sooner or later. But in our situation? I don't know that inheriting Rex is such a negative for him. The press already sees Rex as a negative and the press will render the new GM totally blameless for year 1.

Just a thought, anyway.

I agree.

GM gets a "free" first year, with very little accountability.

If things go more South next season, he gets to clean house underneath and do it his way.

Sort of a "no lose" situation, unless Woody has a tatoo of Rex in a green tie and glasses on his arm and is married to the buffoon long term regardless.

[unbanmadmike1]

Not for nothing but resign Landry an make the right draft pick at 9 at OLB an this defense is pretty nasty for 2013. Just keeping things honest here.

They would've been in the playoffs with a league average offense last season. They need to bring in skill players who can make plays.

[KSJets]

Not sure what's worse: that you put in the effort to type this stupid post, or that you felt the need to go back and add to this stupid post.

The same can be said for 99.999% of your posts. You did make a good post...once.

[JiF]

Not sure what's worse: that you put in the effort to type this stupid post, or that you felt the need to go back and add to this stupid post.

Your stupidity spawned it. Not sure which is worse.

Edited by JiF, 05 January 2013 - 11:24 AM.

[T0mShane]

You're stupidity spawned it. Not sure which is worse.

LULZIANA

[T0mShane]

The same can be said for 99.999% of your posts. You did make a good post...once.

Touch me. Feel me.

[JiF]

LULZIANA

Damn, you totally got me, bro.

You're so cool.

[JiF]

The same can be said for 99.999% of your posts. You did make a good post...once.

Pretty much useless. Hands down the worst poster on the site.

[slats]

Yes, I may be reaching, but consider the totality of the Jets situation.

We have a terrible cap situation. We have half our starters either free agents or, due to bloated 2013 salaries, will be cut within the 2 months at the latest. We have no QB. We don't even have a backup QB. Our best offensive player is famous for being a superdouche and is mega-paid and uncuttable until next season. Our best defensive (and overall) player is coming off a season-ending ACL injury and is only under contract for one more year (and can't be franchised). Our pro bowl safety has said the Jets get no discount and he's going to the highest bidder, which we probably can't afford to be. This season is most likely going to be a failure.

So if you're a GM interested in the Jets job, but realize (or believe) that '13 is going to be pretty crappy, which would you choose?

a) The ability to blame the incumbent HC, with the public knowing (or at worst, believing) that he was forced upon you. Plus Rex is such a lightning bolt for press, and has such a big mouth, the blame for 2013 will fall squarely on Rex. The after year 1 he's easily fired (if that's your wish) and you can bring in your hand-picked guy with a clean slate.

b) Bring in your own hand-picked guy to coach a (most likely) sure-thing failure in year 1. If things don't turn around fast, you will be held more responsible for a year-one failure that was unavoidable whether Rex or a newbie took over as the 2013 HC.

In general, I agree that any incoming GM would want his own HC. But if year one is such a mess (from a GM's standpoint), but you still want the job - especially because of the gobs of cap space and latitude you'll have just 1 year into the job? It's not that inconceivable that said new GM would want the ability to not have to shoulder a greater portion of the responsibility for that year 1 failure. Particularly if you get to play it off like you never wanted Rex in the first place, which is believable enough.

If the Jets weren't in this hideous cap and talent scenario, then I agree Rex might be a hindrance for a GM who wants his own guy as HC sooner or later. But in our situation? I don't know that inheriting Rex is such a negative for him. The press already sees Rex as a negative and the press will render the new GM totally blameless for year 1.

Just a thought, anyway.

I agree. I threw out a lot of these same points as reasons new GM might want to keep Rex on, before it was trotted out that Woody was mandating it.

Excuse for failure aside, it gives the new GM a chance to evaluate the talent on the team, as well as the talent of the coaches under contract coaching them. It's also one less thing he has to do. He needs to handle a lot of immediately pressing cap issues and free agency all while putting together his front office and preparing for the draft. it's a lot. Having the head coach and at least half the team's staff in place makes the initial transition a little easier.

Any improvement in 2013 is seen as a great success for new GM, and any failure is blamed on a soon-to-be outgoing head coach. It's not a terrible position to be in.

[Thor99]

The same can be said for 99.999% of your posts. You did make a good post...once.

Link?

[Pac]

Rich Cimini
Tom Gamble turned down second interview with Jags to focus on #Jets GM job, per @AdamSchefter. Jax leaning toward Dave Caldwell.


pretty sure I heard keeping Rex was going to keep us from getting this guy.

[wildthing2022000]

Gamble wants to be here(over Jax anyway)

https://twitter.com/...597244302123009

49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble turned down chance for 2nd interview w/ Jaguars to concentrate on trying to land Jets GM job.

[JiF]

Rich Cimini
Tom Gamble turned down second interview with Jags to focus on #Jets GM job, per @AdamSchefter. Jax leaning toward Dave Caldwell.


pretty sure I heard keeping Rex was going to keep us from getting this guy.

Gamble wants to be here(over Jax anyway)

https://twitter.com/...597244302123009

49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble turned down chance for 2nd interview w/ Jaguars to concentrate on trying to land Jets GM job.

But but Tom said:

You're an idiot. Florio didn't even make a passing attempt to pretend that he sourced this article. He mailed it in from his Droid based solely on who was interviewing where. If he had an article saying "anonymous sources are telling PFT that Gamble will sign with Jets..." then we have a story. This is not that. Dolt.

[pfilippone]

I disagree, and I think it's even worse in this situation, given NY and Woodys reputation as a bad owner.

It's not unusual for a coach to be kept, but it is unusual for the forced keeping of the coach. The right way to do it is to say the new GM makes the call.

This times infinity.
The only correct thing for Woody to do is to entrust the new GM with all football decisions.
If the GM thinks giving Rex the reigns makes sense, then do it. If a new coach is what's needed, then do that.

If a team that's been sucking sees a major change at the top (new GM and/or coach), it can be used to re-invigorate the team.
Look at the Colts this year, Jets under first year Mangini, Jets under first year Ryan. You can say the first year the players over-achieved.

There's a chance that the 2013 Jets will not be a total waste to watch. I'm looking forward to the house cleaning and the (hopefully) good ways the cap hell and talent issues are addressed.

Edited by pfilippone, 05 January 2013 - 11:47 AM.

[Pac]

But but Tom said:

Makes us an early favorite in the Alex Smith Sweepstakes -- yeah I said it.

If they get a serviceable QB in here this is a playoff team next year. I can't believe how many supposedly knowledgeable posters are already calling for a disaster before the draft, Free Agency, etc.

I bet Rex and Gamble won't share that defeatist attitude.