Lupz27 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 DC - Tomsula (currently DL coach, rumored as Gamble's HC prospect would be in-house replacement for Rex next year) TE - Delanie Walker, he'd be a much needed blocking, pass-catching weapon for us, should be a FA this off-season. QB - Alex Smith, would be a solid starter who passes for accuracy, low turnovers for next 3 years while prospects are drafted and developed, immediately solves QB problem if we get this year's version. Would need to trade for him. S - Dashon Goldson, We will need a safety again... This guy can play, should still be a FA. Nice plan (seriously) BUT where do we get the cap space to sign all 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Nice plan (seriously) BUT where do we get the cap space to sign all 3? I'll leave that to the new GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Going from position coach to coordinator, which is what people are suggesting, is in fact a promotion. Not a lateral move. Rex picked Sporano. I think that makes you 100% incorrect. LOL Actually I think he's right unless its changed recently. Doesn't make sense logically, but there's only 2 levels, hc and not hc. The only exception is making someone the assistant head coach, which is also a promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Actually I think he's right unless its changed recently. Doesn't make sense logically, but there's only 2 levels, hc and not hc. The only exception is making someone the assistant head coach, which is also a promotion. I'm looking at it from the standpoint of the individual managing a career path... you cannot tell me that ascending from position coach to coordinator is not viewed as a promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I'm looking at it from the standpoint of the individual managing a career path... you cannot tell me that ascending from position coach to coordinator is not viewed as a promotion. Not disputing that. But the NFL considers position coach to coordinator a later move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Not disputing that. But the NFL considers position coach to coordinator a later move. Yeah, I gotcha - I didn't understand that was what he was getting at. I don't always read. LOL Come play in SMC's Boardwalk Empire game, btw... been too long since you played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightCash Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Yeah, I gotcha - I didn't understand that was what he was getting at. I don't always read. LOL Come play in SMC's Boardwalk Empire game, btw... been too long since you played. Hopefully soon. For the past few months I've only had a company phone and company laptop and nothing personal... so as much as I want to go call you all a bunch of dumb gays, probably wouldn't be good for my career. Just bought my own laptop but going in vacation in 10 days. So long story short... soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I'm looking at it from the standpoint of the individual managing a career path... you cannot tell me that ascending from position coach to coordinator is not viewed as a promotion. Not disputing that. But the NFL considers position coach to coordinator a later move. Your both right! A team (the Jets) can ask another team permission (49ers) to speak with ANY coach on their staff for a possible coaching position, as long as it IS a promotion, BUT if it is not for a HC job, the team (49ers) can grant permission, or decline permission. This situation is handled differently from team to team, some coaches have different opinions on how to handle these situations, some always grant permission, because they don't want to hold back a colleague to better their future, and also if they don't then sometimes those coaches become disgruntled (see Bill Callahan). Most times when permission is not granted the coach doesn't want to leave, or is told he is in line for bigger things here so we won't grant it, if they don't get said bigger things they usually leave when contract is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 So, to understand, you people not only want to bring Rex back on a lame-duck deal, but you also want to give his defense to the guy whom the GM wants to replace him with when the whole team collapses. And this is good strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Matt Cavanaugh needs to be a day one firing, we couldn't have possibly been worse off going into the last 4 seasons with no QB coach at all. How he's survived this long I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 So, to understand, you people not only want to bring Rex back on a lame-duck deal, but you also want to give his defense to the guy whom the GM wants to replace him with when the whole team collapses. And this is good strategy. Strategy? If Rex is back I wish only to be entertained with next years train wreck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 6, 2013 Author Share Posted January 6, 2013 He didn't "lose his job". He was outstanding at his job and got hired here. He was never fired. LOL, I was talkin about Smith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassmaster2 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Strategy? If Rex is back I wish only to be entertained with next years train wreck If the GM does not want Rex fired him this year do not hire his replacement a year early , I had enought of the the Teebow thing this year , let Rex hire his own D man and GM hire the OF man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 DC - Tomsula (currently DL coach, rumored as Gamble's HC prospect would be in-house replacement for Rex next year) TE - Delanie Walker, he'd be a much needed blocking, pass-catching weapon for us, should be a FA this off-season. QB - Alex Smith, would be a solid starter who passes for accuracy, low turnovers for next 3 years while prospects are drafted and developed, immediately solves QB problem if we get this year's version. Would need to trade for him. S - Dashon Goldson, We will need a safety again... This guy can play, should still be a FA. With the ninth pick in the 2013 draft, the Jets select Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 With the ninth pick in the 2013 draft, the Jets select Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame. He could be the best TE of all time and not be worth a top 10 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 He could be the best TE of all time and not be worth a top 10 pick. That makes no sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 That makes no sense. Go back and look at how many teams draft TE's in the top 10. It NEVER happens because the position isn't worth the value of that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 If we were picking 30 Eifert would make sense...but I could see why you'd want him...very low bust factor. He's not a game changer though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Go back and look at how many teams draft TE's in the top 10. It NEVER happens because the position isn't worth the value of that pick. Better, trade down five to ten spots and take him while picking up a second or a couple of thirds. With the added emphasis on the position more and more TEs will be going higher and higher in the draft. Things change my friend. RBs are now considered a dime a dozen when they used to be the single most valued position in the draft. You have to be a really special talent to go top ten now when guys like Ki-Jana Carter and Blair Thomas used to routinely go in the top ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Better, trade down five to ten spots and take him while picking up a second or a couple of thirds. With the added emphasis on the position more and more TEs will be going higher and higher in the draft. Things change my friend. RBs are now considered a dime a dozen when they used to be the single most valued position in the draft. You have to be a really special talent to go top ten now when guys like Ki-Jana Carter and Blair Thomas used to routinely go in the top ten. Adrian Peterson, Trent Richardson and Marshawn Lynch too. When you have as many holes as the Jets do, you can't be spending first round picks on TE's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Backs are a dime a dozen yet were stuck with Shonn Greene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Backs are a dime a dozen yet were stuck with Shonn Greene I also noticed we're hiring a new GM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Go back and look at how many teams draft TE's in the top 10. It NEVER happens because the position isn't worth the value of that pick. Not promoting the idea, but Vernon Davis and Kellen Winslow Jr both went #6 overall, and the Vikes took Kyle Rudolph (Notre Dame) at #11 two years ago. Attitudes change over time. I think the Pats TE dominated offense may be changing the perception of the position, as well as impact players like Gates or Gonzalez over the years. Never used to see a safety go high, either, but in recent years Eric Berry and Sean Taylor went #5, LaRon Landry went #6 (the year the Jets took Revis at #14)... The league evolves, so do drafting habits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Not promoting the idea, but Vernon Davis and Kellen Winslow Jr both went #6 overall, and the Vikes took Kyle Rudolph (Notre Dame) at #11 two years ago. Attitudes change over time. I think the Pats TE dominated offense may be changing the perception of the position, as well as impact players like Gates or Gonzalez over the years. Never used to see a safety go high, either, but in recent years Eric Berry and Sean Taylor went #5, LaRon Landry went #6 (the year the Jets took Revis at #14)... The league evolves, so do drafting habits. Yeah and all three of those TE's were bad picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 I also noticed we're hiring a new GM... Touche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 With the ninth pick in the 2013 draft, the Jets select Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame. Sounds like a Tanny move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 With all the holes on this team, we aren't spending a top ten pick on TE. No matter how good he is. I just don't see it. Not when a Gamble guy is FA and can fill the TE need for us, allowing the pick to be used for greater area of need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Go back and look at how many teams draft TE's in the top 10. It NEVER happens because the position isn't worth the value of that pick. Yeah and all three of those TE's were bad picks. Like your argument, these things evolve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 With the added emphasis on the position more and more TEs will be going higher and higher in the draft. . The last TE to go in the 1st round was Keller. How did that work out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 The last TE to go in the 1st round was Keller. How did that work out? Ummm, Jermaine Gresham was the last TE to go in the first round. You're wrong as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Any particular reason you want Eifert that early? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Any particular reason you want Eifert that early? He's a safe and well rounded prospect with the size and such needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Any particular reason you want Eifert that early? I think Eifert would have been a top 20 pick had he come out last year. Dude's a complete TE. He's a big play machine. He's basically a smart Gronkowski. If we could trade down 5-10 spots and still get him it would be ideal. However, if Jarvis Jones by some miracle drops to number 9 like I've seen in a couple of mocks the Jets would be insane to pass him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted January 6, 2013 Share Posted January 6, 2013 Like your argument, these things evolve. 3 TE's picked in the top 10 in the last decade. I like my argument fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 Ummm, Jermaine Gresham was the last TE to go in the first round. You're wrong as usual. Right you are Klack Gresham is a Jag and will never be a Gonzalez/ Gates TE type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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