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#51 SouthernJet

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:39 AM

it happened dude. not only did Herm get another job, he was interviewing for it before he got fired from NY. In other news Im real sorry the Jets didn't fire Rex and miss out on the Doug Marrone era. But don't worry there's still time to get Tomasula.

Yup, and it was odd Bit.
Jet fans hated him yet he was sought still by KC/others.
BUT, my buddy who lives in Kansas was saying all his friends (seas tix holders) were PISSED from Day One cause they knew he sucked.
Sometimes fans know more than execs.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:07 AM

After 4 years with the Jets, Herm had a better regular season record than Rex, sometimes you need to look beyond the stats.


Reading this for two minutes trying to figure out which way you were arguing.

The more I read about this hire for the Bills the more I think it was possibly a good idea on their part.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:59 AM

After 4 years with the Jets, Herm had a better regular season record than Rex, sometimes you need to look beyond the stats.

Sanchez also has the same or almost the same record as a starting QB in the NFl, he's not very good, to put it mildly


It's amazing that you can't credit the coach with that record when you look at the QB he's had to work with for four years.

Herm had Testaverde and Pennington, and even Brooks Bollinger was probably better than anyone on the Jets today. There's just no comparison.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:07 AM

You're 33-1 to win. And we get mad when it doesn't happen.


Bit, that is absolute rubbish.

You have it sound like winning is some form of lottery, and that you win when your numbers come up.

It is not like that at all. Winning is a combination of planning and adept maneuvers and execution with a little bit of luck thrown in. It is about having a plan.

This current regime of jets (or at least the half that is left regarding maneuvers and execution), are not excellent at that. rex is a good coach, but not a great coach.

As well, as Bill Parcells tells us, coaches have a shelf life. Rex is one of those coaches that has a short shelf life, based on his frailties in leadership and over-loyalty.

we witness that manifested in player moves and ultimate leadership. More so, we see it in declining results.

Do not give us this "winning is a 33-1 shot. Pure tripe
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:18 AM

It's amazing that you can't credit the coach with that record when you look at the QB he's had to work with for four years.

Herm had Testaverde and Pennington, and even Brooks Bollinger was probably better than anyone on the Jets today. There's just no comparison.


You can't separate the coach from the QB. The coach was the biggest proponent of drafting the qb. The coach has had his staff nurture and mentor the qb. The coach was a part of recommending that the qb get extended. The coach would not bench the qb.

They are part of the same equation.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:30 AM

You can't separate the coach from the QB. The coach was the biggest proponent of drafting the qb. The coach has had his staff nurture and mentor the qb. The coach was a part of recommending that the qb get extended. The coach would not bench the qb.

They are part of the same equation.


He was loyal to Sanchez for too long. Should've had a legitimate backup option this year and the extension never should've happened. I'd say there's some joint responsibility there with the guy they fired.

That said, if Rex had Testaverde and Martin his first season, he would've won the Super Bowl.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:33 AM

He was loyal to Sanchez for too long. Should've had a legitimate backup option this year and the extension never should've happened. I'd say there's some joint responsibility there with the guy they fired.

That said, if Rex had Testaverde and Martin his first season, he would've won the Super Bowl.


Football evaluation can't take place like that. Coaches coach and are evaluated on how they performed with the players they have.

Any coach in the league could substitute 2 prime positions and say "if I only had x and y, I would win the SB".

It is the mantra of the loser.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:37 AM

Rex gets half the credit when the Jets were doing well, and gets all the blame when things go badly. I guess that’s always the way with a coach so obviously favouring one aspect of the game, and even moreso for a guy who likes to run his mouth, but it’s still quite ridiculous to think he’s solely responsible for everything that happened with Mark Sanchez.

I blame Brett Favre for it all. The ****.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:39 AM

Football evaluation can't take place like that. Coaches coach and are evaluated on how they performed with the players they have.

Any coach in the league could substitute 2 prime positions and say "if I only had x and y, I would win the SB".

It is the mantra of the loser.


Rex didn't say it, I did. And I am -by definition- a loser, having rooted for this team for over 40 years.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:42 AM

Rex gets half the credit when the Jets were doing well, and gets all the blame when things go badly. I guess that’s always the way with a coach so obviously favouring one aspect of the game, and even moreso for a guy who likes to run his mouth, but it’s still quite ridiculous to think he’s solely responsible for everything that happened with Mark Sanchez.

I blame Brett Favre for it all. The ****.


Pretty sure that it was Rex's name attached to "2 consecutive AFCCG's". We know this, because he told us so. And he deserved the credit he got in getting the Jets there (although, I wish he had not treated that Patriot win like the SB, and had the team prepared in Pittsburgh).

In the same vane, he has to take responsibility for the mess that this team is in right now, as he has earned that also.

And that is where we are today.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:44 AM

Rex didn't say it, I did. And I am -by definition- a loser, having rooted for this team for over 40 years.


You are only a loser-by definition- if you associate with one, and make excuses why they act that way.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:47 AM

You are only a loser-by definition- if you associate with one, and make excuses why they act that way.


Wanna associate? I'm sure you'd be a good poster if you weren't so angry all the time.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

Wanna associate? I'm sure you'd be a good poster if you weren't so angry all the time.


You either were not paying attention, or were not here, but I actually garnered votes as "biggest homer" on this site for many years. And that was the approach that I took.

This current regime, Rex primarily, has my blood curdled. The seeming lack of leadership and ineptitude has left me with a total distaste for his brand.

I can't way to get someone new in place to actually care about the team that I like to root for again.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:07 PM

Pretty sure that it was Rex's name attached to "2 consecutive AFCCG's". We know this, because he told us so. And he deserved the credit he got in getting the Jets there (although, I wish he had not treated that Patriot win like the SB, and had the team prepared in Pittsburgh).

In the same vane, he has to take responsibility for the mess that this team is in right now, as he has earned that also.

And that is where we are today.


I actually agree to an extent.

I think the main "mess" we're in right now is down to whoever gave Sanchez that extension, and decided Tebow was the best viable option to challenge. They ****ed us up not only for the season, but have ****ed up the most important position on our team as well as our cap space. I highly doubt Rex negotiated that, even if he did have a say in it. Those are some of the worst moves in the modern day history of the league.

The sad thing about Rex is that his inadequacies are so blatantly obvious, more so because of the attention he draws on himself. His strengths as a football coach aren't nearly as such, particularly when the talent level dipped as dramatically as it did in recent years. I still think he's got a ton to offer any team and I'd like to think he'll show it next season.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:29 PM

You can't separate the coach from the QB. The coach was the biggest proponent of drafting the qb. The coach has had his staff nurture and mentor the qb. The coach was a part of recommending that the qb get extended. The coach would not bench the qb.

They are part of the same equation.


Forget separating the two or making excuses for Rex, the entire argument originally being made against Rex, which slats was responding to, was that he must be worse than his record, and the sole reason given was that because Sanchez has nearly the same record. I can't imagine you'd agree, no matter what you think about Rex, that a HC putting up a winning record with the league's worst QB somehow proves that HC to be even worse simply because of that fact. The entire argument is completely devoid of any logic whatsoever.

None of this is to say you have to think Rex is even slightly good as a HC, but there's a world of difference between that and saying that the worse the QB a HC works with, the worse that must automatically make the HC in question. Slats point was to at least give Rex credit for what he's actually accomplished, regardless of how good or bad you may find that to be, as logic would dictate that doing so with worse players would make it a more difficult accomplishment, not an easier one.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 01:30 PM

A man who hoists himself by his own petard is no less hoist.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:18 PM

A man who hoists himself by his own petard is no less hoist.


You're a petard.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:22 PM

You either were not paying attention, or were not here, but I actually garnered votes as "biggest homer" on this site for many years. And that was the approach that I took.

This current regime, Rex primarily, has my blood curdled. The seeming lack of leadership and ineptitude has left me with a total distaste for his brand.

I can't way to get someone new in place to actually care about the team that I like to root for again.


I've actually noticed this change in your tone.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:15 PM

It's amazing that you can't credit the coach with that record when you look at the QB he's had to work with for four years.

Herm had Testaverde and Pennington, and even Brooks Bollinger was probably better than anyone on the Jets today. There's just no comparison.


Its amazing that you don't blame the coach for drafting Sanchez, starting him too early, ignoring the offense, saddling the team with piss poor offensive talent.

Whether the Rex lovers want to admit it or not, Sanchez as a Jet is on Rex, from the draft, to the lack of development, it's all on Rex. Even if you want to say Sanchez never had any talent, that too is on Rex, right down to sticking with him as the worst QB in the league, all on Rex.

And no matter how good of a defensive mind Rex is, and he is very good, this team will never, ever win big with Rex because Sanchez was a 5-8 year setback for this franchise.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:17 PM

Forget separating the two or making excuses for Rex, the entire argument originally being made against Rex, which slats was responding to, was that he must be worse than his record, and the sole reason given was that because Sanchez has nearly the same record. I can't imagine you'd agree, no matter what you think about Rex, that a HC putting up a winning record with the league's worst QB somehow proves that HC to be even worse simply because of that fact. The entire argument is completely devoid of any logic whatsoever.

None of this is to say you have to think Rex is even slightly good as a HC, but there's a world of difference between that and saying that the worse the QB a HC works with, the worse that must automatically make the HC in question. Slats point was to at least give Rex credit for what he's actually accomplished, regardless of how good or bad you may find that to be, as logic would dictate that doing so with worse players would make it a more difficult accomplishment, not an easier one.


As usual, your wrong.

The argument was that a good record does not automatically imply good coach.

Do you ever get tired of looking like an ass monkey on these boards?
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:24 PM

You either were not paying attention, or were not here, but I actually garnered votes as "biggest homer" on this site for many years. And that was the approach that I took.

This current regime, Rex primarily, has my blood curdled. The seeming lack of leadership and ineptitude has left me with a total distaste for his brand.

I can't way to get someone new in place to actually care about the team that I like to root for again.


This is how I feel exactly.

Throw in the stupidity of trying to win with a dominating defense, ignoring the offense completely in a league designed for offensive stars, and not even having a dominating defense.

Lack of leadership.

Lack of understanding of todays NFL.

The Jets have become a joke under Ryan, and that will not change.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:43 PM

He was loyal to Sanchez for too long. Should've had a legitimate backup option this year and the extension never should've happened. I'd say there's some joint responsibility there with the guy they fired.

That said, if Rex had Testaverde and Martin his first season, he would've won the Super Bowl.


Well, Testaverde over Sanchez yes. Martin wouldn't have made our #1 rushing offense any better.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:49 PM

As usual, your wrong.

The argument was that a good record does not automatically imply good coach.

Do you ever get tired of looking like an ass monkey on these boards?


The one way for someone to absolutely guarantee they are right about something on this board is to simply disagree with you. It's right up there with death and taxes.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 05:32 AM

The one way for someone to absolutely guarantee they are right about something on this board is to simply disagree with you. It's right up there with death and taxes.


Translation:

I got caught once again looking like a total moron, so let me try to salvage this for my boy Jif.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:29 AM

Translation:

I got caught once again looking like a total moron, so let me try to salvage this for my boy Jif.


You just keep right on throwing the fits of a mentally-deficient toddler and convince yourself that somehow proves you right. And don't worry, starting up conspiracy theories that everyone who dares disagree with your imbecility must be teaming up against you definitely doesn't make you look even more deranged.
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