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#26 bitonti

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Posted 19 December 2005 - 09:40 AM

This was a battle of the backups - Sage rosenfels vs Brooks Bollinger - and Brooks lost. What does that tell ya?
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 09:46 AM

This was a battle of the backups - Sage rosenfels vs Brooks Bollinger - and Brooks lost. What does that tell ya?



Bit from what i have seen with cedric playing, this team could have been 8-8 with a decent coach. CM should have been on bench since wk2. The coaching staff destroyed this team, every team has injuries and brooks played well. BTY i believe jets have scored more points than Bears now and what is there record 10-4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 09:50 AM

Bit from what i have seen with cedric playing, this team could have been 8-8 with a decent coach.


Brooks and cedric got all the action yesterday and the Jets still lost. If anyone really believes Brooks Bollinger is anything resembling an actual NFL starter, well I pity that person, because it's possible dementia is setting in.
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 09:55 AM


Bit from what i have seen with cedric playing, this team could have been 8-8 with a decent coach.


Brooks and cedric got all the action yesterday and the Jets still lost. If anyone really believes Brooks Bollinger is anything resembling an actual NFL starter, well I pity that person, because it's possible dementia is setting in.


The kid has a stronger arm than Pennyboy, not a big accomplishment there, he can run and seems to be pretty smart. What does penne do better, his first 2 years were holding a clipboard!!!!!!
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 09:58 AM

The kid has a stronger arm than Pennyboy, not a big accomplishment there, he can run and seems to be pretty smart. What does penne do better, his first 2 years were holding a clipboard!!!!!!


I won't disagree. But people seem to have forgotten he lacks the size to ever be a real starter. He looks like the PK for goodness sake.

How about this for an exercise can anyone remember the last time the Super Bowl was won by a 6 foot tall QB? Seriously?

If there's no conceivable way Brooks Bollinger could win the SB as the QB of the Jets he shouldn't be on the roster.
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 10:07 AM

Brooks arm is better than Chad's. When Chad plays with a torn rotator cuff.

That should tell you all you need to know. Ideally Brooks would be next years # 3 again. Hell if Bitonti isn't sticking up for him you know he must suck.
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 10:08 AM

O'Brien really got a raw deal, they gave his number to Boomer before he was even released from the team, that was pretty cold in my opinion.


What made it even worse IMO was the fact that after spending his entire career on the run behind putrid O-lines, O' Brien had to watch Boomer get sacked an NLF low (I believe) 23 times.
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 10:13 AM

Brooks arm is better than Chad's. When Chad plays with a torn rotator cuff.

That should tell you all you need to know. Ideally Brooks would be next years # 3 again. Hell if Bitonti isn't sticking up for him you know he must suck.


It would be great to see him back as #3 and if he were ever to come in the game I wouldn't be worried.

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Posted 19 December 2005 - 10:23 AM


The kid has a stronger arm than Pennyboy, not a big accomplishment there, he can run and seems to be pretty smart. What does penne do better, his first 2 years were holding a clipboard!!!!!!


I won't disagree. But people seem to have forgotten he lacks the size to ever be a real starter. He looks like the PK for goodness sake.

How about this for an exercise can anyone remember the last time the Super Bowl was won by a 6 foot tall QB? Seriously?

If there's no conceivable way Brooks Bollinger could win the SB as the QB of the Jets he shouldn't be on the roster.


Just Like Joe Theismann .. get a grip he is a decent backup, not a starter........
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 10:33 AM

That should tell you all you need to know. Ideally Brooks would be next years # 3 again


The #3 QB should be which ever QB we draft this year. The guy should have size and a strong arm with the potential to be a #1 or #2 in a couple of years. Best case would be if Hermie gets canned and takes Brooksie with him.
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 10:34 AM

That should tell you all you need to know. Ideally Brooks would be next years # 3 again


The #3 QB should be which ever QB we draft this year. The guy should have size and a strong arm with the potential to be a #1 or #2 in a couple of years. Best case would be if Hermie gets canned and takes Brooksie with him.


And who should your #2 qb be?
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 10:43 AM

And the idiot herm chose to put Pennington with a shredded shoulder back into the jacksonville game over this kid.

Goood job hermie =D>


You must have ONLY seen Bollywood in this game and missed his 5 INT game.

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yup...b/c no 1st year starter should ever struggle...thats just ridiculous, i mean, this is the NFL for crying out loud!

come on guys, get a grip, bollywood is gonna end up as pretty darn good backup,not a starter, but not CFL suck-worthy, ur just pissy cuz our team as a whole sucks. Its not his fault, and dont fault him for the last drive either bit, as has been said before im pretty sure he wasnt the one calling those plays
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 10:49 AM

And the idiot herm chose to put Pennington with a shredded shoulder back into the jacksonville game over this kid.

Goood job hermie =D>


You must have ONLY seen Bollywood in this game and missed his 5 INT game.

BZ


yup...b/c no 1st year starter should ever struggle...thats just ridiculous, i mean, this is the NFL for crying out loud!

come on guys, get a grip, bollywood is gonna end up as pretty darn good backup,not a starter, but not CFL suck-worthy, ur just pissy cuz our team as a whole sucks. Its not his fault, and dont fault him for the last drive either bit, as has been said before im pretty sure he wasnt the one calling those plays


=D> =D> =D> =D>

People Forget That Penne was god awful his rook year
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 10:52 AM

wait...you guys read what i say?? :shock:
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 10:53 AM

And who should your #2 qb be?


Since Penny can't be cut due to his contract, he becomes #2. I'd sign Kitna as a free agent to be the starter next year.
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 11:05 AM

And who should your #2 qb be?


Since Penny can't be cut due to his contract, he becomes #2. I'd sign Kitna as a free agent to be the starter next year.


and maybe im the only one that remembers kitna was HORRIBLE all but one year of his career? but then again...what are our other options...phillip rivers? aaron brooks? chris wienke(lol)? maybe we should just call mr. quincy carter back up...offer him an "incentive laden" deal. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 11:44 AM

And who should your #2 qb be?


Since Penny can't be cut due to his contract, he becomes #2. I'd sign Kitna as a free agent to be the starter next year.


We can't afford to pay Penny to be a #2. He must restructure his contract or cut him and take the hit. At least the Penny issue and next season will be done.
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 12:07 PM

And who should your #2 qb be?


Since Penny can't be cut due to his contract, he becomes #2. I'd sign Kitna as a free agent to be the starter next year.


that is brilliant a $64m backup
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 12:29 PM

that is brilliant a $64m backup


I didn't give him that contract. Problem is you don't really have any other choice. He counts as much on the cap if you cut him next year than if you keep him. May as well keep him for one more year to see if he ever heals up.
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 12:38 PM

that is brilliant a $64m backup


I didn't give him that contract. Problem is you don't really have any other choice. He counts as much on the cap if you cut him next year than if you keep him. May as well keep him for one more year to see if he ever heals up.


The Jets will place PennyBoy on the IR for the entire 2006 season and deal with him next year.

You heard it here first. :wink:
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 12:41 PM

that is brilliant a $64m backup


I didn't give him that contract. Problem is you don't really have any other choice. He counts as much on the cap if you cut him next year than if you keep him. May as well keep him for one more year to see if he ever heals up.


The Jets will place PennyBoy on the IR for the entire 2006 season and deal with him next year.

You heard it here first. :wink:


well just stop the presses then :roll:

what would be the purpose of that ( serious question here...) do they have to pay him all if he is on IR?

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Posted 19 December 2005 - 12:48 PM

that is brilliant a $64m backup


I didn't give him that contract. Problem is you don't really have any other choice. He counts as much on the cap if you cut him next year than if you keep him. May as well keep him for one more year to see if he ever heals up.


The Jets will place PennyBoy on the IR for the entire 2006 season and deal with him next year.

You heard it here first. :wink:


well just stop the presses then :roll:

what would be the purpose of that ( serious question here...) do they have to pay him all if he is on IR?


Players on IR receive their salary.

What it will do is free up another roster position and if I'm not mistaken, PennyBoy's cap hit will be significantly less (if they release him) in 2007 versus 2006.
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 12:49 PM

that is brilliant a $64m backup


I didn't give him that contract. Problem is you don't really have any other choice. He counts as much on the cap if you cut him next year than if you keep him. May as well keep him for one more year to see if he ever heals up.


The Jets will place PennyBoy on the IR for the entire 2006 season and deal with him next year.

You heard it here first. :wink:


well just stop the presses then :roll:

what would be the purpose of that ( serious question here...) do they have to pay him all if he is on IR?


Players on IR receive their salary.

What it will do is free up another roster position and if I'm not mistaken, PennyBoy's cap hit will be significantly less (if they release him) in 2007 versus 2006.

I don't think that is correct at all.
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Posted 19 December 2005 - 12:51 PM

From our cap guru aec4

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I'm posting this in it's own thread so you can all see. Of course, the data I have is not 100% perfect, but based on it, here is the cap situation.

Before 2004, the Jets and Pennington agreed on a 7 year, 64.2M contract. He was given an 18M signing bonus at that point, 2M roster bonus before 2005, and is due a 3M roster bonus before 2006. The 2M roster bonus was guaranteed, but the upcoming one is not. Here are his base salaries:

2004 1000000.00
2005 1000000.00
2006 6000000.00
2007 4000000.00
2008 6000000.00
2009 7000000.00
2010 6300000.00
2011 10172000.00

Since the CBA only allowed the signing bonus (18M) to be on the cap for 6 years (3M per year) because it needs to be renegotiated, here are the cap hits:

2004: 4M
2005: 6M (1M + 3M signing + 2M roster)
2006: 12M (6M + 3M signing + 3M roster)
2007: 7M
2008: 9M
2009: 10M
2010: 6.3M
2011: 10.172M

Now, the real question.. cutting him, or trading him...

If he's cut after the following seasons, prior to June 1, here are the details. I'm not sure of the date of the signing bonus in 2006, but most likely, it's in March, so he wouldn't be able to be cut after June 1, since w'ed have to pay the bonus..

2006: 0 net cap hit. He's going to cost 12M on the cap regardless. Why? If he's cut, all 12M accelerates.

2007: 9M accelerates, but 7M comes off, which means it costs us 2M to cut him. Having him on the team would save us 2M

2008: 6M accelerated, but 9M comes off, saving us 3M
2009: 3M accelerates, but 9M comes off, saving us 6M
2010: 6.3M comes off, 0 accelerates
2011: 10.172M comes off, 0 accelerates

In other words, if we do not cut him after this season, he's on the team thru the 2007 season

My gut feeling? The contract was set up to be restructured, and even a simple restructuring (which we may not want to do) which turns 9M owed to him into bonus (stretched over only 4 seasons since that's all that would be allowed without a CBA extension) would reduce CHad's cap # from 12M to 5.25M, saving 6.75M. I bet we ask him to take some cuts, or move some money to incentives based on playing time.


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Posted 19 December 2005 - 12:52 PM

that is brilliant a $64m backup


I didn't give him that contract. Problem is you don't really have any other choice. He counts as much on the cap if you cut him next year than if you keep him. May as well keep him for one more year to see if he ever heals up.


The Jets will place PennyBoy on the IR for the entire 2006 season and deal with him next year.

You heard it here first. :wink:


well just stop the presses then :roll:

what would be the purpose of that ( serious question here...) do they have to pay him all if he is on IR?


Players on IR receive their salary.

What it will do is free up another roster position and if I'm not mistaken, PennyBoy's cap hit will be significantly less (if they release him) in 2007 versus 2006.


i guess i was hoping for an answer from someone who might know something... but thanks for trying ;)

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