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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:22 PM

5 reasons to avoid Jets' GM job

It'll be a tough job. Here's why :

1. Rex Ryan. From all indications, the new general manager will have to live with Ryan for at least a year. He's a terrific defensive coach and a good motivator, but he's not for everybody. The sideshow wears thin if the team is losing. The new GM needs patience -- and a fondness for tattoos wouldn't hurt.

2. The coordinator dilemma: Offensive coordinator Tony Sparano was hired only a year ago, but his offense was a failure. Ryan reportedly wants to start over on offense, but it'll be tough to attract a proven commodity because of Ryan's tenuous future. Norv Turner and Cam Cameron are on the short list, but neither one will be an easy get. This will be the most important decision they make.

3. The QB trap: No way out. There's no easy solution to the quarterback situation. You're probably married to Mark Sanchez for another year because of an $8.25 million guarantee -- unless you make the unconventional move, cutting bait and incurring an enormous cap hit. Either way, you have to import a starting-caliber veteran and perhaps draft a quarterback, hoping you find the next Russell Wilson.

4. Tight salary cap: The Jets will be about $25 million over the projected $121 million cap. They can get under the cap by cutting veterans Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, Jason Smith and Eric Smith, but it wouldn't leave them much wiggle room. Between those cuts, and the number of unrestricted free agents on the roster, the Jets could go into free agency with only 10 starters under contract.

5. The Revis conundrum: The best player on the team -- Darrelle Revis -- is coming off ACL surgery and looking for a new contract. If he's not signed by the regular season opener, there's a good chance he will play out his final year and bolt in free agency because they can't use the franchise tag on him. Now that's a problem. Do you re-sign him? Trade him? Tough call.

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5 reasons to take Jets GM job

1. It's New York. It's the No. 1 media market in the country, with a fan base absolutely craving a Super Bowl. Saturday marks the 44th anniversary of the Jets' one and only Super Bowl title. Rebuild the Jets into a championship team, and you're a legend. Any person with a shred of competitive arrogance would want to be The Man that delivers a Lombardi Trophy.

2. The honeymoon period. No one will expect an overnight miracle. The quarterback situation is a mess and the salary cap is a problem, so the fans and media will be patient -- to an extent. Chances are, 2013 will be a rebuilding year, a free pass. After that, the pressure will mount gradually, but this isn't a win-now situation.

3. Tom Brady can't play forever. He'll be 36 by next opening day, entering the final two years of his contract. When Brady calls it quits, the Patriots will fall back to the pack, leveling the playing field in a division owned by Brady and Bill Belichick for more than a decade.

4. Building blocks. Yeah, the Jets have a few. In fact, they have top-of-the-line players at three of the premium positions -- CBs Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie, LT D'Brickashaw Feguson and C Nick Mangold. They also have an ascending player in DE Muhammad Wilkerson. It's not like the roster is bereft of talent.

5. Facilities. The Jets have a state-of-the-art complex, an attractive recruiting tool during free agency. It's nestled in a suburban area in northern New Jersey, away from the hustle and bustle of Manhattan. Hey, quality of life is important.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

Time for Jets to go after Norv Turner

Posted ImageThe inevitable happened Tuesday when the New York Jets fired struggling offensive coordinator Tony Sparano. New York’s offense was a disaster in Sparano's only season with the Jets. New York ranked 30th in total offense and quarterbacks Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow both regressed on Sparano's watch.

But that's in the past. Now, it's time for New York to look toward the future.

The future of the Jets' offense should be Norv Turner.

A Rex Ryan-Norv Turner pairing in New York is one of the few ways to get the Jets back on track. Ryan has his zany traits, but he is a tremendous defensive coach. The Jets were eighth in total defense in 2012 without their best player for most of the season: Pro Bowl cornerback Darrelle Revis. That speaks volumes about Ryan's schemes.However, Ryan's kryptonite has always been coaching offense. Ryan treats it like a necessary evil. He trusted Sparano -- and before that Brian Schottenheimer -- with the job and both offensive coordinators failed him. Ryan needs a veteran offensive mind that he can count on -- and Turner is the right person for the job.

In fact, Turner may be the only offensive coordinator available who can get something out of an embattled Sanchez next season. If the Jets are able to add more quarterback competition via the draft or free agency, that's even better.Ryan and Turner were not always cozy. Ryan went on an infamous rant last year where he said he could've won multiple Super Bowls in San Diego with the talent Turner had. Turner took offense to that, and Ryan later apologized.Turner was not a great head coach, but he is a great offensive coordinator. With Turner recently fired from the Chargers and looking for work, the time is now for the Jets to do everything possible to bring Turner to New York.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

Woody Johnson is a far bigger problem than Rex and can't be replaced

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 05:00 PM

Caldwell back for second interview

The Jets could be getting closer to naming a new general manager.

Falcons director of player personnel David Caldwell, whom they interviewed last Friday, was brought back for a second interview, according to sources.Caldwell is in demand. He already has interviewed three times with the Jaguars for their GM vacancy.The Jets have interviewed at least four candidates for the job, including 49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble, Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross and Jets assistant GM Scott Cohen.

Gamble was considered the early favorite, but Caldwell started to gain momentum over the weekend as team officials evaluated the situation. It's not known if Gamble was invited back for a second interview.Owner Woody Johnson, speaking Tuesday at a news conference, declined to comment on the search. He did, however, confirm that the new GM won't have the power to fire Rex Ryan this offseason. Johnson wouldn't say if the GM would have that power in 2014. The GM will have final say on personnel, the owner said.

Johnson's desire to retain Ryan probably reduced the pool of interested candidates,although he insisted that isn't the case. "They know he's a good coach," Johnson said, revealing that Ryan will be involved in the search.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 06:10 PM


1. It's New York. It's the No. 1 media market in the country, with a fan base absolutely craving a Super Bowl. Saturday marks the 44th anniversary of the Jets' one and only Super Bowl title. Rebuild the Jets into a championship team, and you're a legend. Any person with a shred of competitive arrogance would want to be The Man that delivers a Lombardi Trophy

Its a double edge sword. Yes it's NY. And Yes it's NY. Some people can't handle that kind of pressure. And the Jets are like the Mets, but even worse, they play in the same damn stadium. The old stadium was called Giants Stadium. And the Giants have Eli Manning and two super bowl rings in the past six years. They have a HC who has won two super bowls in the six years. And it's like the Mets because even if the Jets do win a super bowl, they still won't be the Giants. They made it to two AFC championship games, followed up by missing the playoffs and the Giants winning a super bowl. In a season where the Jets got beat down by the same Giants.

So the reality is, it's the Jets. Just like Mets, they are considered the little brother in the big market. Winning one super bowl would be great for the fans, but it won't suddenly make a GM or coach of QB the hero of NY. It sucks, but it's the same as the Mets and even worse considering the Jets don't even have their own stadium.


2. The honeymoon period. No one will expect an overnight miracle. The quarterback situation is a mess and the salary cap is a problem, so the fans and media will be patient -- to an extent. Chances are, 2013 will be a rebuilding year, a free pass. After that, the pressure will mount gradually, but this isn't a win-now situation.

Nobody gets a free pass anymore. Look at the playoffs this season.

This year 3 Rookie QBs made the playoffs. They made their teams better.
Wilson won a playoff game. RG3 is probably the ROY. Another Rookie QB (Cousins) replaced RG3, and proceeded to win 2 games.
Andrew Luck replaced a HOF in Manning and nobody noticed he was gone.
Other young QBs have made their marks as well.
Andy Dalton is only in his second season and has already take the Bengals to the playoffs twice.
Joe Flacco has been in the NFL for five years and has made the playoffs every year.
He's made it to the AFC Championship game twice.
Aaron Rodgers is only 29 years old and is only in his 5th season as a starter. And he replaced the legend and HOFer Brett Favre who took the Packers to the NFC Championship his last year in Green Bay.
Matt Ryan has been a starter for what, 5 years, been to the playoffs multiple times, lead his team to the best record twice. Still hasn't won a playoff game.
Even Mark Sanchez was the QB when the Jets went to back to back AFC Championship games in his first two seasons. He stinks now, but still,
any new QB that comes in who is worse than Sanchez, is going to be a problem.
Kapernick, in San Fran, is in his second season, and replaced a QB mid-season who took his team to the NFC Championship game last year.

There are a lot of other young QBs in the NFL.
Cam Newton has put up good numbers in his first two seasons and the Panthers finished on somewhat of a winning streak this year.
Ryan Tannehill in Dolphins land started this season and had a decent season. I think it's too early to tell how good or bad he will be, but still, the Dolphins have hope for the future.
Jake Locker... I don't like the kid as a QB, didn't like him in Washington, but some people in Tennessee do.
Wheedon is an old rookie, same as as Rodgers, and I think he was a wasted pick. But he was a rookie who started for the Browns.
Stafford, Bradford, etc are all young QBs who have shown signs of success.

I think you get the point. Nobody is going to give a GM or HC a few years to maybe find a QB. Not when many teams have found young QBs to take over their franchises from day one. It's not the 90's anymore. Most teams aren't going to wait 3-4 years. Most fans won't. Most owners won't. Now it's more about starting a rookie QB as soon as possible and they either sink or swim.


3. Tom Brady can't play forever. He'll be 36 by next opening day, entering the final two years of his contract. When Brady calls it quits, the Patriots will fall back to the pack, leveling the playing field in a division owned by Brady and Bill Belichick for more than a decade.

I hate this theory. Didn't we hear the same thing about Marino retiring, Jim Kelly retiring, hell even Drew Bledsoe took the Patriots to the super bowl. If the Jets don't get a franchise QB who can lead them to the 'promised land' it's almost a guarantee one of these other teams will and it becomes another decade of another AFC East team winning or not living up to expectations while the Jets live in 8-8 land.


4. Building blocks. Yeah, the Jets have a few. In fact, they have top-of-the-line players at three of the premium positions -- CBs Darrelle Revis and Antonio Cromartie, LT D'Brickashaw Feguson and C Nick Mangold. They also have an ascending player in DE Muhammad Wilkerson. It's not like the roster is bereft of talent.

This is where it makes no sense. So the GM has a few years to wait for a new HC and QB, while paying these guys millions to stick around, collect millions, and rebuild? By the time the new QB and HC come to fruition in your plan, these guys will be beyond their primes. Hell, Mangold hasn't been that good the past few seasons. That makes no sense.
And Revis is already a diva who will want top dollar, same for Cromartie after this year. Even with these two guys the Jets have never won a division.



5. Facilities. The Jets have a state-of-the-art complex, an attractive recruiting tool during free agency. It's nestled in a suburban area in northern New Jersey, away from the hustle and bustle of Manhattan. Hey, quality of life is important.

No clue if this will matter or not.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:19 AM

Woody Johnson is a far bigger problem than Rex and can't be replaced

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 03:59 PM

Let's play musical GM candidates
If you're following along at home, you're probably confused by the Jets' search for a new general manager. Consider this a public service, catching you up on the comings and goings :

SCHEDULED FOR INTERVIEWS

Jerry Angelo, former Bears GM

Brian Gaine, Dolphins assistant GM

John Idzik, Seahawks vice president of football administration

Omar Kahn, Steelers director of football and business administration

HOLDING PATTERN: ALREADY INTERVIEWED, WAITING

Scott Cohen, Jets assistant GM

Tom Gamble, 49ers director of player personnel

Marc Ross, Giants director of college scouting

GONE, GOODBYE: HIRED ELSEWHERE

Dave Caldwell (Jaguars), former Falcons director of player personnel

Tom Telesco (Chargers), former Colts vice president of football operations

SORRY, NOT INTERESTED: DECLINED INTERVIEWS

Eric DeCosta, Ravens assistant GM

Jimmy Raye, Chargers director of player personnel

YES AND NO: CANCELLED INTERVIEW

Tom Heckert, former Browns GM

IN LIMBO: STILL INTEREST BUT EXPECTED TO GO ELSEWHERE

John Dorsey, Packers director of football operations

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 10:35 AM

Confused Jets widen GM search

While other teams have begun securing high-profile pieces for their front-office staffs, the Jets appear to be in limbo.A day after they announced Mike Pettine wouldn't return in 2013, ESPN reported on Wednesday that the Jets' defensive coordinator had been hired by divisional-rival Buffalo. But before the Jets can announce his replacement — or Tony Sparano's successor on offense — they first need to hire a new general manager.

After losing out on two potential candidates, Jets owner Woody Johnson has decided to widen his search. Dolphins assistant GM Brian Gaine and San Diego's director of player personnel Jimmy Raye III reportedly will interview this week with the Jets.Raye — whose father Jimmy Raye II is a former Jets assistant and running backs coach — was one of two finalists for San Diego's vacant GM job. But on Wednesday, the Chargers announced the hiring of Colts director of player personnel Tom Telesco. Interestingly enough, the Jets recently asked permission to speak to Telesco this week, according to NFL Network. The Jets also were snubbed by Falcons director of player personnel Dave Caldwell, who accepted the Jaguars' GM job hours after interviewing at the Jets facility.

Despite speculation that 49ers director of player personnel Tom Gamble was the frontrunner for the Jets, the additions of Gaine and Raye to the candidate pool suggest Johnson isn't close to naming a new GM.Gaine is known best as a Bill Parcells pupil. He worked for a few years under Parcells as a member of the Jets' college scouting department and as the manager of pro player development. Gaine also was an aide to Parcells during his head coaching days with the Cowboys, and eventually went to Miami after Parcells and Jeff Ireland were brought over from Dallas.

In addition to Gamble, in-house assistant GM Scott Cohen and Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross still are being considered.Though Johnson wouldn't discuss specific candidates, he confirmed during Tuesday's highly-anticipated press conference that keeping Rex Ryan as the coach was a prerequisite for his new general manager.Only three NFL teams are still looking to hire a GM: the Jets, Browns and Chiefs.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:20 PM

5. The Revis conundrum: The best player on the team -- Darrelle Revis -- is coming off ACL surgery and looking for a new contract. If he's not signed by the regular season opener, there's a good chance he will play out his final year and bolt in free agency because they can't use the franchise tag on him. Now that's a problem. Do you re-sign him? Trade him? Tough call.


I think this is the single biggest issue facing a new GM. The Jets are tight against the cap, have a weak roster despite that fact, and have this all world player under contract who's going to want an all world contract sometime very soon. The decision made on Revis will set the course for new GM's tenure here, and will be open to second guessing forever.

If you opt to trade him, you better be damn sure you get value back. The potential blowback for trading maybe the best player in Jets' history could be overwhelming. Meanwhile, if you don't trade him you could be handcuffing yourself capwise for a CB over the next few years. There's no good option.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:25 PM

Assume it would be 90% certainty thatnew GM would can Rex if Jets faltered in 2013 and hire or promote (if he brought them on as a Coordinator) 'his guy'.
In reality this SHOULD have been Caldwell,Tedesco etc thinking as well.
Free pass in 2013 (1st year, cap hell), then fire Rex after season, bring in my guy and sort of buy yourself another mini Free Pass season .
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:25 PM

I think this is the single biggest issue facing a new GM. The Jets are tight against the cap, have a weak roster despite that fact, and have this all world player under contract who's going to want an all world contract sometime very soon. The decision made on Revis will set the course for new GM's tenure here, and will be open to second guessing forever.

If you opt to trade him, you better be damn sure you get value back. The potential blowback for trading maybe the best player in Jets' history could be overwhelming. Meanwhile, if you don't trade him you could be handcuffing yourself capwise for a CB over the next few years. There's no good option.


I don't know. As great as he is, he's a CB. The Redskins traded away Champ Bailey for similar reasons and they've been a bad team till this season.
Then again, what did the Bronco's really ever do with him? They had that one surprise run to the AFC Championship game with Jake the Snake and Bailey is probably a HOFer, but it's not like he made the Broncos a winner.

I don't think it's that hard of a decision for a new GM. If the Jets really are in a rebuilding mode, dumping Revis is a no brainer.
If Rex convinces the new GM they are 1-2 pieces away, then you keep him.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:27 PM

Assume it would be 90% certainty thatnew GM would can Rex if Jets faltered in 2013 and hire or promote (if he brought them on as a Coordinator) 'his guy'.
In reality this SHOULD have been Caldwell,Tedesco etc thinking as well.
Free pass in 2013 (1st year, cap hell), then fire Rex after season, bring in my guy and sort of buy yourself another mini Free Pass season .


At this point, Rex is the AJ Smith of the Jets. If they bring in some no name that nobody else was going to hire as a GM, i doubt they will have the power to fire Rex. If the Jets go 3-13 and Rex is out of control, then maybe. If the Jets go 7-9 and they win with Moore or Sanchez, there is no way No name GM is going to be able to fire Rex.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

At this point, Rex is the AJ Smith of the Jets. If they bring in some no name that nobody else was going to hire as a GM, i doubt they will have the power to fire Rex. If the Jets go 3-13 and Rex is out of control, then maybe. If the Jets go 7-9 and they win with Moore or Sanchez, there is no way No name GM is going to be able to fire Rex.

dont know.
I am starting to think Woody likes the Jets Def scheme and know sits only way in 2013 we can compete for a slim wildcard hope (that and offense shows decent improvement/less TOs) .
He knew Pettine was going to go (manish-gate or bad ingame playcalling/rift w/rex) and might have had hint Sutton was gone.
He basically HAD to keep Rex to have a prayer in 2013.
But I think Woody smart enough to know if 2013 doesnt work and new GM proves himself capable, he will allow Rex to be fired. 3-13 or 9-7, no matter what.
Flip side is new GM could like Rex at 9-7 and decide to keep him. All unknowns.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:38 PM

I don't know. As great as he is, he's a CB. The Redskins traded away Champ Bailey for similar reasons and they've been a bad team till this season.
Then again, what did the Bronco's really ever do with him? They had that one surprise run to the AFC Championship game with Jake the Snake and Bailey is probably a HOFer, but it's not like he made the Broncos a winner.

I don't think it's that hard of a decision for a new GM. If the Jets really are in a rebuilding mode, dumping Revis is a no brainer.
If Rex convinces the new GM they are 1-2 pieces away, then you keep him.


I think it's a far cry from a no-brainer. If he's given carte blanche to rebuild the franchise as he sees fit, I think it's the smart move - but it's also a risky move. You need to hit on the pick(s) you get for him or suffer the second guessing blowback for years to come.

There's little doubt that Rex will fight to keep the guy, and how much influence he has with Woody is also a factor.

I would think the Revis Issue is a major topic in these interviews. It may be why they're interviewing these cap guys; to pick their brains on what they'd do with Darrelle.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:42 PM

We all assume Rex is going to be fired. He seems to have Woody by the balls and it might be no matter what GM comes in, Rex is Woody's guy. And if the Jets go 3-13 with a lot of bad players next year, why would the GM get a pass? Nobody really gets a pass in the NFL.
Rex knows defense and if Sanchez wasn't so horrible, the Jets probably finish 8-8 or 9-7 this season.

So if a new GM comes in and guts the team, do you really think Rex would just be canned? It's really a packaged deal If the Jets stink so bad that Rex's defense isn't any good anymore, suddenly people start asking "Does the GM know what they are doing?" If the Jets finish 6-10 next season, draft some decent players, and Rex's defense plays well, he probably sticks around.

I don't see anybody getting a free pass. If the Jets are so bad next season, both Rex and the GM are going to be responsible.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 01:49 PM

I think it's a far cry from a no-brainer. If he's given carte blanche to rebuild the franchise as he sees fit, I think it's the smart move - but it's also a risky move. You need to hit on the pick(s) you get for him or suffer the second guessing blowback for years to come.

There's little doubt that Rex will fight to keep the guy, and how much influence he has with Woody is also a factor.

I would think the Revis Issue is a major topic in these interviews. It may be why they're interviewing these cap guys; to pick their brains on what they'd do with Darrelle.


Fighting Rex is one thing, dumping Revis is another. As good as Revis is, the Jets went 4-12, 9-7, 9-7, 11-5, 8-8 while he was playing.
So it's not like he's made the team into a powerhouse. This season they go 6-10 and really, if Sanchez isn't so bad, they finish 7-9 or 8-8. So with or without Revis, the Jets are a 7-9/8-8 team. It's not hard to trade him when you look at it like that. Especially if it means getting value in return in exchange for dumping salary.

And everybody knows Revis's history. He's going to hold out. He's going to demand top dollar. He would leave at the drop of a hat in free agency for more money, trading him isn't that hard. And remember a new GM has no ties to Revis. No feelings one way or another. A good GM would come in, look at the Jets roster, look at the players, look at what the plan for the next few seasons, and make a decision based off of that. The truth is, with or without Revis, the Jets aren't all that different next year.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:00 PM

Fighting Rex is one thing, dumping Revis is another. As good as Revis is, the Jets went 4-12, 9-7, 9-7, 11-5, 8-8 while he was playing.


this year they went 2-1 with him and 4-9 without. Trading Revis is just dumb. They'll never get value for the player and it's real tough to find guys that good.

The problem with the Jets job isn't Rex or Woody or Revis. It's the cap hell.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:06 PM

The problem with the Jets job isn't Rex or Woody or Revis. It's the cap hell.

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Revis and cap hell are intrinsically tied.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:08 PM

this year they went 2-1 with him and 4-9 without. Trading Revis is just dumb. They'll never get value for the player and it's real tough to find guys that good.

The problem with the Jets job isn't Rex or Woody or Revis. It's the cap hell.

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Except for one season, the Jets with Revis are a 9-7 or worse team. As good as he is, he's not turning them into a 12-4 team.
And I agree, getting value for him would be hard, but if he walks away and they get nothing, what was the point in keeping him?
This is a contract year isn't it ?

For a new GM, it really depends on what they think the future holds. If it's some 3-4 year plan, rebuild, new coach next season, new young QB, etc, Revis really shouldn't even be in the plans. He won't stick around after next year and if the new GM figures 2013 is a waste, 2014 is building a new team with a new coach, I don't see it being that hard of a decision. A team expecting to finish 4-12 and rebuilding doesn't need a CB coming off an injury that expects to be paid top dollar.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

For a new GM, it really depends on what they think the future holds. If it's some 3-4 year plan, rebuild, new coach next season, new young QB, etc, Revis really shouldn't even be in the plans.


A good GM should have a 1 year plan. In the NFL the idea of long term rebuild is dead. No one looks at their team and thinks 4 years from now is the year. Rosters have a 10-15% churn normally. In 4 years it's a different team.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

Revis and cap hell are intrinsically tied.


it's not cap hell if he's worth it. The reason why Sanchez' cap number is such a problem is because he sucks. If he was playing like Aaron Rodgers it would be a deal.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:36 PM

it's not cap hell if he's worth it. The reason why Sanchez' cap number is such a problem is because he sucks. If he was playing like Aaron Rodgers it would be a deal.


I love Revis, dude, but if you're spending 20% of your cap at the CB position, you have cap issues.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:39 PM

There's some similarities to the Cubs job last offseason in that they're both OG franchises within the sport that have horrible track records of losing. That should be interesting to most GM candidates.

Problem is that you have only a couple of hours on the job before the fans are piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssed at you. A good GM should always be working with one middle finger in the air because he just don't cayare.
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:39 PM

A good GM should have a 1 year plan. In the NFL the idea of long term rebuild is dead. No one looks at their team and thinks 4 years from now is the year. Rosters have a 10-15% churn normally. In 4 years it's a different team.


I agree and I hope that's the case, but a lot of Jets fans assume next season is a wash and Rex will be fired and then they rebuild. That plan makes no sense at all. Who wastes an entire year? Teams that do that in any sport are usually the teams that always fight for the top pick in the draft. Or teams that wait for one or two star players in free agency and don't land them. I hate those plans.

Obviously with Revis the Jets are better, but by how much? Without Revis this year the Jets defense still was good. With him what would have been different? They'd stil get beat down by the Patriots. They'd probably still lose games 10-7 or 7-6. The team needs to improve on the offensive side of the ball, needs some pass rushers. I love Revis, but without him, the offense stinks. With him, the offense stinks.

If the Jets were a player or two away, Revis is worth the big contract. The Jets right now are a ton of players away from competing. Especially on the offensive side of the ball. I wouldn't want the Jets to just give him away, but if they keep him around this season and then just let him walk the following season, what was the point of that?
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 02:40 PM

I love Revis, dude, but if you're spending 20% of your cap at the CB position, you have cap issues.


Thats the difference between a QB and a CB.
Rodgers can win a Super Bowl with a bad OL and a bad defense.
Revis can't win with a horrible QB and offense.


The Packers went 15-1 last year with one of the worst defenses in the history of the NFL.
The Jets went 8-8 with two of the better CBs in the NFL and a good defense.

Edited by pedro55, 11 January 2013 - 02:42 PM.

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