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[unbanmadmike1]

that's kind of the thing about these GM and HC markets. All the good ones are under contract already. Jets fans imagine that they can fire Tanny and get Ron Wolf, fire Rex and get Belly. Trade revis and pay a franchise QB in free agency.

The demand is too high and the supply is too small.

BS there are a ton of good candidates from winning programs.

[Maxman]

Dolphins. Yeah. Pass.

[JiF]

Exactly the hire we need. Come'on Rex and Woody. Sign this beast!!!

[pedro55]

They need an outside guy. The fact that Gaine has worked with Bradway in the past is a negative, IMHO.

I wouldn't have cared if he never even heard of the Jets before, outside doesn't mean better.
At this point, Cohen vs Blaine equals out. We don't know what either really did within the organization or How much/little input they had, what their day to day roles exactly were, etc. Some 'press report' selling a candidate is just that, a press report.

Everybody oversells themselves and if they are well liked and recommended, those people are going to sell themselves too. It's the same theory as giving your new job references and former bosses. Nobody gives out people who say bad things about them. Most people give out those who will give them glowing reviews, embellished responsibilities, etc. That's just the way it is.

The Dolphins have been a bad organization. They have been searching for a franchise QB since Marino retired. They have been searching for stability maybe even longer. They have a new head coach every other year. The Jets might have issues and problems, but at least they've been a playoff team under Herm, Mangini, and Rex. They just can't figure out how to become that 12-4 team year after year. Or find a franchise QB.

It's one thing to grab somebody from the Patriots, Colts(they've been a playoff team for 13 out of 14 seasons), Packers, even Eagles. Teams who were super bowl contenders year after year over the past decade. It's another to try and grab some young guy from a team that stinks and has been bad over the past decade.

I mean hey, why not find somebody in the Bills organization or Jaguars...I'm sure there are a lot of young assistants who would make great GMs...

Edited by pedro55, 09 January 2013 - 02:13 PM.

[SouthernJet]

Getting Gaine means the Terry (I am a cockroach who survives Nuclear Blasts) Bradway survives yet again

(Bradway has to have photos of a young Woody at J&J doing a internship one summer in the Animal Experimental Lab, Sheep section)

Edited by SouthernJet, 09 January 2013 - 02:42 PM.

[bitonti]

The Dolphins have been a bad organization. They have been searching for a franchise QB since Marino retired. They just can't figure out how to become that 12-4 team year after year. Or find a franchise QB.

I hate to say this but they found their franchise QB. His name is Ryan Tannehill and while he won't be Brady level awesome, he's way better than Mark and is gonna break out next year.

[pedro55]

I hate to say this but they found their franchise QB. His name is Ryan Tannehill and while he won't be Brady level awesome, he's way better than Mark and is gonna break out next year.

Who knows. He had his moments. But it's early. Mark Sanchez had his moments too. Remember the Patriots playoff game? Nobody was calling Sanchez a bad QB back then. People love to jump on bandwagons way too early these days. Kind of like people already claiming Kapernick in SF is the franchise QB. He's had his moments to, but he's stunk at times too.
The difference is Kapernick is on the 49ers and Ryan is on the Dolphins.

Chad Henne was the franchise QB for the dolphins at one point too..

[JetPotato]

When the first list of potential candidates came out with their mini-bios, his was one of the names I liked best.

All comes down to how he interviews.

I also suspect the Jets have gotten a lot of blowback regarding hiring internally -if that was actually becoming a real option- and is probably one of the reasons why we see the field expanding today.

Would it kill them to look externally to Green Bay... or even to any other organization that doesn't suck as much or more than ours?

[pedro55]

Would it kill them to look externally to Green Bay... or even to any other organization that doesn't suck as much or more than ours?

This is what I don't get. Look at the Patriots, Packers, heck even the Falcons or Ravens. And why was the lone guy from the Giants just an afterthought and not a real consideration? The Giants have won 2 super bowls. Searching Teams who have had success over the past 5-10 years makes sense. Teams who have consistent success. Different coaches. Different players. Different front offices.

Why pick somebody from the Dolphins?

[PatriotReign37]

This is what I don't get. Look at the Patriots, Packers, heck even the Falcons or Ravens. And why was the lone guy from the Giants just an afterthought and not a real consideration? The Giants have won 2 super bowls. Searching Teams who have had success over the past 5-10 years makes sense. Teams who have consistent success. Different coaches. Different players. Different front offices.

Why pick somebody from the Dolphins?

Parcells

[pedro55]

Parcells

Parcells was in New England too. He was in Dallas.
Lets say they hate to take anybody from the Patriots after Mangini. Ok, but why take anybody from the Dolphins after Tony?

[bitonti]

Who knows. He had his moments. But it's early. Mark Sanchez had his moments too. Remember the Patriots playoff game? Nobody was calling Sanchez a bad QB back then.

that's true just something about tannyhill strikes me as having the quick release and decision making that makes a good Qb.

[unbanmadmike1]

that's true just something about tannyhill strikes me as having the quick release and decision making that makes a good Qb.

His numbers were mediocre. Eye test was mediocre. He might be a middle of the road QB but he'll never be great.

[Il Mostro]

Just when you thought they couldn't possibly mover further downstream...

[GATA]

Why can't we just get Gamble

[pedro55]

Why can't we just get Gamble

He doesn't interview well. Or in a conversations it seems his recommendations and press are more hype than substance.
It's like that guy with the great LinkedIn page, the great resume, the great references and so on. It's a no brainer. He gets through the preliminary interviews and HR processes. But when he sits down to talk with people who might know a thing or two, he comes off as a person taking credit for things he had nothing to do with. Or it's obvious his resume is a bit embellished.

I think thats probably what's happening. He probably is more hype than substance and is trying to take advantage of a wide open GM market.

Edited by pedro55, 09 January 2013 - 03:42 PM.

[#27TheDominator]

Good candidates don't have to be with good teams. Once upon a time Belichick was a "special assistant" with the Lions. They were not a well run organization. It is important that the guy have 1. A brain. 2. A vision and 3. Respect. The problem is that the Jets search process and keeping Rex around will monkey with the guy getting respect. I am on record as liking Rex, but that can be a major problem and it is problem for a guy coming from a less successful franchise - that is why they all need a letter of introduction from some old HOF bitch like Parcells or Polian.

[faba]

Good candidates don't have to be with good teams. Once upon a time Belichick was a "special assistant" with the Lions. They were not a well run organization. It is important that the guy have 1. A brain. 2. A vision and 3. Respect. The problem is that the Jets search process and keeping Rex around will monkey with the guy getting respect. I am on record as liking Rex, but that can be a major problem and it is problem for a guy coming from a less successful franchise - that is why they all need a letter of introduction from some old HOF bitch like Parcells or Polian.

True the opposite of that - is like saying everyone that works at Apple lets say is a genius- we know that is not true.

[BroadwayJoe12]

This is what I don't get. Look at the Patriots, Packers, heck even the Falcons or Ravens. And why was the lone guy from the Giants just an afterthought and not a real consideration? The Giants have won 2 super bowls. Searching Teams who have had success over the past 5-10 years makes sense. Teams who have consistent success. Different coaches. Different players. Different front offices.

Why pick somebody from the Dolphins?

Replace Brady, Rodgers and then Flynn and Flacco with Sanchez or any of the other low tier QBs and we aren't even having this discussion. People automatically assume because these guys have been a part of a winning organization, they themselves are going to be winners. How many times have you seen people in fortune 500 companies who are absolutely incompetent and wonder how the hell they got their job?? sh*t, I do that every day in the medical community. The fact of the matter is, there could very well be some young brilliant future GMs who are working their way up in any/the first organization that gives them a chance.

I just find it silly that people are in this much of an uproar arguing for one person they've never heard of over another person they've never heard of. Until we actually see the moves our future GM makes, it's impossible to know what they've done, because unless they have actually been a GM prior it's all just speculation.

[slats]

This is what I don't get. Look at the Patriots, Packers, heck even the Falcons or Ravens. And why was the lone guy from the Giants just an afterthought and not a real consideration? The Giants have won 2 super bowls. Searching Teams who have had success over the past 5-10 years makes sense. Teams who have consistent success. Different coaches. Different players. Different front offices.

Why pick somebody from the Dolphins?

Caldwell is from the Falcons, the Ravens guy doesn't want to leave the Ravens, and the Patriots don't have anyone worth pilfering. So yeah, maybe the Packers. They're hitting the 49ers and jints as well. Looks like they're doing some due diligence.