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Luck is a huge factor any way you look at it brother. The Colts happen to have the 2 worst season of their last 20 years the same year that the best QB prospects of our life time are coming out? Brady gets put into a game because his started almost died. If the Seahawks knew what they had in Wilson so they waited til the 3rd round?

Sorry this one doesnt fit your Wrecks Ryan hate agenda.

There is always luck involved, but the Colts had to dump Manning for the future. Nobody thought the Colts or even Luck would be this good this year. They were a 2-14 team a year ago and if they went 5-11, people would be happy. The Packers dumped Favre after an NFC Championship game season. They went 6-10 with Rodgers the next year. The Chargers let Brees walk. People thought it was a bad move. The Chargers went 14-2 the next year. The Seahawks spent millions on Flynn. WIlson was really an unknown 3rd round QB. But they started him. The Saints were really one of only a few teams who took a chance on Brees. The Dolphin's picked Culpepper over Brees. Other than that it wasn't like the Jets or anybody else was banging on his door.

Sometimes teams have to make hard decisions about the future. BB could have stuck with Bledsoe. It wasn't like Brady was lighting up the NFL his first year as a starter. Hell, Denver could have stuck with Tebow considering they did win a playoff game last year.

That's the difference. The Bronco's didn't care that Tebow won a few games, won a playoff game, they didn't think he was the future QB in the NFL, even after leading a team that was heading for a 4-12 season with Kyle Orton to the AFC Divisional round. They have some young kid who may or may not be the future after Manning, but they also took a chance on Manning returning to form. After 5 games and the Bronco's sitting at 2-3 and everybody calling Manning noodle arm, who was thinking that? It's easy to think that now.

The truth is, how many Jets fans would have been all over Rex if he benched Sanchez for Tebow earlier in the year? It never happened and Tebow stinks as a QB, but then again, Sanchez has barely completed 50 percent of his passes in the NFL. He had a few games at USC, but many said he wasn't ready for the NFL. Do you really think anybody in Seattle preferred Wilson over Flynn before the season?

Sometimes it's more than just luck, it's teams have the balls and big picture in mind. The Packers didn't care about a 6-10 season and a lot of bad PR for dumping Favre for the kid. Now look at them. The Jets stuck with Pennington long after they knew he was never going to lead them anywhere and he was always injured. Good teams make tough decisions. The jets just keep firing regimes and starting over. Except they keep doing the same things.

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Great QB's are not just born, they are developed also.

Yes but there are common characteristics among the great ones. They all have supercomputers for brains and incredible accuracy. They can make all the throws and have poise in the pocket. Sports Science did a segment on Brees and showed how he is far more accurate throwing a football than archers are at hitting their targets. He's a specimen. Very little development was needed there.

Unless you want to argue that BOTH the Chargers AND Saints, and all the coaches he worked with over the years, were/are incredible QB developers. Somehow I doubt that.

Some QB's don't have it but have their flaws hidden, either by a great team around them, OR by being placed in a gimmick-like system that helps them succeed. Think Sanchez in '09-'10, Tebow with the Broncos in '11, or Pennington under the Wildcat in 2008 with Miami.

Doesn't mean the QB's are any good or can be developed to BE good. Most QB's are what they are. Either they can run an NFL system and lead an offense or they can't. Even poor coaches could get a great season out of Aaron Rodgers. But the best coaches, whoever they are, couldn't get sh** out of Mark Sanchez.

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Yes but there are common characteristics among the great ones. They all have supercomputers for brains and incredible accuracy. They can make all the throws and have poise in the pocket. Sports Science did a segment on Brees and showed how he is far more accurate throwing a football than archers are at hitting their targets. He's a specimen. Very little development was needed there.

Unless you want to argue that BOTH the Chargers AND Saints, and all the coaches he worked with over the years, were/are incredible QB developers. Somehow I doubt that.

Some QB's don't have it but have their flaws hidden, either by a great team around them, OR by being placed in a gimmick-like system that helps them succeed. Think Sanchez in '09-'10, Tebow with the Broncos in '11, or Pennington under the Wildcat in 2008 with Miami.

Doesn't mean the QB's are any good or can be developed to BE good.

Brian Schottenheimer!!!

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Well, Seattle traded for Flynn and had to pay decent money to the guy but they still let Wilson beat him out at QB. The Jets never brought anyone in to beat Sanchez out. Which organization is committed to winning and wchich one is committed to payroll?

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Well, Seattle traded for Flynn and had to pay decent money to the guy but they still let Wilson beat him out at QB. The Jets never brought anyone in to beat Sanchez out. Which organization is committed to winning and wchich one is committed to payroll?

Thats what I'm saying. They had to start a 3rd round Rookie QB. And really, if they start Wilson and he stinks and the Seahawks finish 5-11 or

6-10, everybody in that organization is probably fired. They saw something, they had a long term plan, and went with it.

The Jets bring in Tebow for PR, never plan on playing him, and know Sanchez stinks.

Hell they were too afraid to even utilize Tebow all year long. As bad as he is as a QB, at least he made a few plays last season to win games. The Jets seemed clueless.

It was like a Woody and Tebow punishment scheme of "here run up the middle for one play" and go sit back down.

It is what it is though. Harbaugh and the 49ers picked Kapernick halfway through a winning season after Smith helped them get to an NFC Championship game last year. Rex Ryan couldn't bench Sanchez when he sucked during a losing season.

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I am continually told that you have to "luck out" and be very bad in order to be very fortunate in drafting in a prime spot and get your franchise quarterback. The following is the draft order that this week's quarterbacks were selected:

Manning 1st

Ryan 3rd

Flacco 18th

Rogers 24th

Kapernick 36th

Wilson 75th

Schaub 90th

Brady 199th

With the notable exceptions of Manning and Ryan, The NYJ could have drafted any of these quarterbacks. The NYJ WERE NOT and have not been shut out of any QB opportunities. There ARE QB's that are drafted that are not considered blue chip, and yet succeed.

How does that happen?

-Astute personnel scouting and recognizing what you want in a qb and how it fits your club

-Dedication to building the position of QB on your club, and not being happy with status quo (the Packers drafted Rogers, with Favre on the club)

-Committing the proper talent to develop your QB in your mold

The Jets have not been "unlucky" in not sucking enough to take a no brain franchise QB. The Jets have been dreadful in evaluating prospect QB's, have failed in proving proper development, and think that the position is secondary to "defense" and ground and pound".

That mindset and proficiency have to change.

Yup just look at both Joe Montana's and Tom Bradys scouting reports.

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Thats what I'm saying. They had to start a 3rd round Rookie QB. And really, if they start Wilson and he stinks and the Seahawks finish 5-11 or

6-10, everybody in that organization is probably fired. They saw something, they had a long term plan, and went with it.

The Jets bring in Tebow for PR, never plan on playing him, and know Sanchez stinks.

Hell they were too afraid to even utilize Tebow all year long. As bad as he is as a QB, at least he made a few plays last season to win games. The Jets seemed clueless.

It was like a Woody and Tebow punishment scheme of "here run up the middle for one play" and go sit back down.

It is what it is though. Harbaugh and the 49ers picked Kapernick halfway through a winning season after Smith helped them get to an NFC Championship game last year. Rex Ryan couldn't bench Sanchez when he sucked during a losing season.

But according to Westhoff they never had a package of plays to run for him. They never developed a Tebow Offense to offset their Sanchez Offense. They misled the press all summer and fall.

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It fits my "disorganization" agenda. If you want to ascribe that largely to Rex, you are probably sniffing in some of the right areas.

Luck is the residue of design. QB's can be, and have been drafted anywhere. The thing is, someone recognizes their possibilities. To say that someone "lucks out" is a tremendous disservice to good planning.

Dismiss it as luck, and you will continue to fail.

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Dude, I'm not saying that there isnt any skill involved in drafting a QB. Of course there is, but you're acting like luck isnt a factor and thats ridiculous. Its huge.

It doesnt take some kind of talent evaluating genius to pick the Manning's, Luck, RGIII, Vick, Newton, Palmer, Ryan, Rivers, Stafford, Bradford...all essentially top 3 or first overall picks, only 2 of them have rings and 3 have playoff wins. It takes sucking really bad at the right time.

You could argue that it would take some skill at both evaluating and developing with the following players because of their draft position, though still 1st round picks: Aaron Rodgers, Josh Freeman, Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Christian Ponder, Ryan Tannenhill, Jake Locker, Big Ben, Brandon Weeden, Jay Cutler, Blaine Gabbert, Brady Quinn. I'd say thats a pretty sh*tty group for the most part outside of Aaron Rodgers and Big Ben. In fact, some of the worst starters in the league in this group.

Same argument could be made for these players as they were selected after the first: Drew Bees, Colin Kapernick, Andy Dalton, Matt Schaub, Russell Wilson, Ryan Fitzpartick, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tony Romo (UDFA), Chad Henne, Matt Cassell all the Arizona QB's. 2 are HOF'ers. A couple are first year starters that look to have some promise. Schaub just won his first playoff game. Other than the HOF'ers, the rest grade out middle of the pack, if not worse.

Those guys were all starters at some point this season in the NFL. Moral to the story; every single team in the NFL sucks at scouting, evaluating, and developing QB's other than the Patriots, Steelers and Packers (49'ers and Seahawks are tbd IMO). Maybe you can argue Saints but Brees had 2 great seasons before getting hurt and let go for Rivers, so it not like they didnt know he could play and Brian Schottenhiemer was his QB coach in San Diego, go figure.

The Jets and Rex Ryan are not alone. In fact, they're in the majority. Not an excuse, the Jets need to get better. But there certainly isnt some cant miss formula to find and develop a QB. It takes a lot of luck to find the guy that just has "it". Clearly there have been some great coaches and talent evaluators who've developed great players or scouted great players but clearly those coachs and scouts/GM's are not abundant.

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Yup just look at both Joe Montana's and Tom Bradys scouting reports.

That's why sometimes scouts are idiots. And some organizations are dumb. Montana had a lot of those 'come from behind wins in College. He won a National Championship with Notre Dame. He had one of those 'games of destiny' in his last season as a QB. In a bad QB year, he was taken after Phil Simms and a couple of others. Did anybody think he was going to become Joe freaking Montana? Probably not. But considering how he played in college, it's not a surprise he became a winner.

If you mentioned Jerry Rice, that makes more sense. Sometimes scouts and teams use stats and nothing else. I mean Marino was supposed to be dumb. So a lot of teams, including the Jets, passed. Rodgers had whatever issues and people didn't think whatever they wanted to think. Call the Dolphins and Packers lucky for drafting him after a fall, but they could have just done what every other team did and not pick them.

Brady is luck. He's one of those picks where you dont care if he makes it or not. But then again, Brady was also a coach who stuck with him. Brady was far from a HOF QB his first few years. The Patriots won because BB and the Patriots defense. Not because of Brady. And then Brady became Brady. Maybe he would have always been that guy, then again, if the Jets drafted Brady, he probably would have been cut and Pennington would still be the QB. Remember, BB could have stuck with Bledsoe that super bowl season.

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But according to Westhoff they never had a package of plays to run for him. They never developed a Tebow Offense to offset their Sanchez Offense. They misled the press all summer and fall.

Thats what I'm saying. They put Tebow in for a few plays a game, he'd run up the middle, and that was that. There never were any plays designed for him. So as bad as he is, what the hell is the point in disrupting the offense to put Tebow in so he can run up the middle for 2 yards. that's not even a play Adrian Peterson would want to run.

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Luck does not play a huge factor in it, you are trying to defend your Rex man crush agenda here.

Your assuming the only way to get a great QB is to have a terrible season the year before they are drafted.

Luck never hurts anyone, or any team, ask the Giants.

That said, many of the best QB's of all time were not even taken in the first round, and many others were not taken first, or even top 5 in their respective draft.

Getting a good, let alone great QB takes the following:

1) an eye for talent, this includes the mental side of the game

2) understanding what your QB can and cannot do, and putting them in the best situations to succeed

3) developing him properly

4) putting the right team around him

5) having the right system and coaches for him

Rex clearly knew that getting a QB for his team was a top priority, he traded up and drafted one high his first year.

Beyond that, he did EVERYTHING wrong you could possibly do with a QB.

Sanchez was never destined for greatness, but you can win with Sanchez, he proved that.

Every "expert" other than the geniuses on this board, have all said the same thing about Sanchez, he had the ability to be a good NFL QB. Something went horribly wrong.

It's as much on the coaching staff, and the organization as it is on him, maybe more.

I hate people in life who claim that other's have more or better than them because of luck. Luck is the result of being prepared when an opportunity arrises, and making the most of it.

Period.

See my post above.

But regarding the bold: if Mark Sanchez was never destined for greatness, who was developing him when he proved you could win with him?

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It doesnt take some kind of talent evaluating genius to pick the Manning's, Luck, RGIII, Vick, Newton, Palmer, Ryan, Rivers, Stafford, Bradford...all essentially top 3 or first overall picks, only 2 of them have rings and 3 have playoff wins. It takes sucking really bad at the right time.

You could argue that it would take some skill at both evaluating and developing with the following players because of their draft position, though still 1st round picks: Aaron Rodgers, Josh Freeman, Mark Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Christian Ponder, Ryan Tannenhill, Jake Locker, Big Ben, Brandon Weeden, Jay Cutler, Blaine Gabbert, Brady Quinn. I'd say thats a pretty sh*tty group for the most part outside of Aaron Rodgers and Big Ben. In fact, some of the worst starters in the league in this group.

Same argument could be made for these players as they were selected after the first: Drew Bees, Colin Kapernick, Andy Dalton, Matt Schaub, Russell Wilson, Ryan Fitzpartick, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Tony Romo (UDFA), Chad Henne, Matt Cassell all the Arizona QB's. 2 are HOF'ers. A couple are first year starters that look to have some promise. Schaub just won his first playoff game. Other than the HOF'ers, the rest grade out middle of the pack, if not worse.

Those guys were all starters at some point this season in the NFL. Moral to the story; every single team in the NFL sucks at scouting, evaluating, and developing QB's other than the Patriots, Steelers and Packers (49'ers and Seahawks are tbd IMO). Maybe you can argue Saints but Brees had 2 great seasons before getting hurt and let go for Rivers, so it not like they didnt know he could play and Brian Schottenhiemer was his QB coach in San Diego, go figure.

The Jets and Rex Ryan are not alone. In fact, they're in the majority. Not an excuse, the Jets need to get better. But there certainly isnt some cant miss formula to find and develop a QB. It takes a lot of luck to find the guy that just has "it". Clearly there have been some great coaches and talent evaluators who've developed great players or scouted great players but clearly those coachs and scouts/GM's are not abundant.

I agree that most NFL teams stink in a lot of areas. Like the Jets, a lot of teams have one or two lucky runs, and then fall back into oblivion

But it does take some decisions. It takes scouting. And it takes balls.

You mentioned Drew Brees. The Dolphins picked Culpepper instead of Brees. We know how that played out.

The Jets stuck with Pennington after he missed most of the 2005 season. Pennington had a decent season and the Jets went 10-6. But a year later he was hurt, benched, hurt and played in only 8 games. And then was gone.

That's the thing, sometimes teams don't really make the right decisions. As much as I loved Pennington as a person, he was a guy who was lucky to play 10 games in a season. And he would never be able to throw long passes. And it wasn't like the Saints were some great team. That was only a season or two removed from Katrina where nobody even knew if the Saints were still going to stay in New Orleans.

That simple example is all you need to know. Was it partly luck? Yes because Brees could have never recovered from his injury or never played as well as he did. The Dolphins wouldn't spend the next 6-7 years searching for their QB. And the Jets would have had Drew Brees as QB instead of an injured Pennington, Clemens, injured Favre, Sanchez, McElroy, Unknown future, etc. Then again, Rex Ryan probably doesn't become HC and Mangini wins a playoff game with Brees. Who knows.

But to say the coaching had nothing to do with it is a bit naive.

Without his coaches this year, Brees threw 19 Interceptions.

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You can say it doesn't take much skill in picking a Brees. But every NFL team besides the Saints didn't want him.

The Chargers let him go for nothing. Some teams had QBs so it's understandable. Some teams like the Jets had a QB who played in 3 games the prior season due to injury. There were Jets fans who didn't want another QB who didn't have a super strong arm and was coming off a shoulder injury. And it wasn't like Brees was Drew Brees of the past few seasons. Coaching had a lot to do with him becoming a HOF QB.

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Wow, wish our coaches would develop some type of gimmick to make the qb better, Imagine that

We did in 2009-10. Its called having a top running game and defense.

But much like the Broncos gave up on Tebow, we're finally coming to the realization that Sanchez blows and is unfixable.

The Broncos, however, gave up on Tebow after 1 season where they won a playoff game. We gave up on him at least a year too late, after unforgivably giving him an extension.

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Luck is a huge factor any way you look at it brother. The Colts happen to have the 2 worst season of their last 20 years the same year that the best QB prospects of our life time are coming out? Brady gets put into a game because his started almost died. If the Seahawks knew what they had in Wilson so they waited til the 3rd round?

Sorry this one doesnt fit your Wrecks Ryan hate agenda.

Three, not two QB prospects. They also drafted Elway #1.

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Luck plays a huge factor in finding a QB. Probably the biggest factor involved.

You're a moron. Finding a good QB is hard because all functions of your team have to be working in concert to make it happen. You have to 1. Identify the player (scouting) 2. Put a proper round valuation on the player (GM) 3. Surround the player with teammates who compensate for your new QBs limitations. (GM) 4. Develop the player. (Coaching). Bill Walsh used to compare drafting a quarterback to adopting a baby--bringing it into your house is only the start of a long process. Unfortunately, our football team adopts babies and hopes they learn how to feed and change themselves. Then, after they starve to death, the Jets blame the baby.

Pennington failed because injuries took a mediocre arm and turned it into an unacceptable arm.

Clemens was a sulky kid from a cattle farm that got jerked over in the Pennington-Favre ****fest and never recovered from having his head screwed up by the Schottenheimer-Cavanaugh coaching disaster.

Sanchez also attended the Schottenheimer-Cavanaugh QB Killa Training Course, but had the added bonus of having Rex surround his emo-Cali-surfer-fag ass with some of history's great malcontents. The Mark Sanchez Story will be used in the NFL forever as a cautionary tale in how not to draft and develop a quarterback.

Short story, this Jets regime would have ruined almost any QB that walked through the door. If they drafted Luck, we'd be talking about how he had no weapons. If they drafted RGIII, Sparano would have been telling the press about his bad throwing motion and that silly Baylor offense. If we signed Peyton Manning, he'd have killed Holmes and then gotten killed by the turnstile rotation at left guard. Kirk Cousins would have sat the bench behind Sanchez all year because--say it with me--Sanchez gave the team the best chance to win.

Bottom line, the Jets haven't found a quarterback in forty years because the Jets are a bad organization. They were a bad organization under Leon and they're a bad organization now. Woody should thank his lucky stars that parity now starts every team off at 8-8, otherwise his hobby team would have had zero success since taking it over from Parcells.

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Lots of teams find it hard to justify spending a second or third round pick, or even a late first round pick, on a QB that may or not be an upgrade from what they already have. I think the "sign a veteran, draft a 2nd or 3rd rounder)" move is a good one when you already have a team built. You draft a stud when you are a terrible team (which is why you are drafting that high in the first place).

If it weren't for cap issues, the Jets could arguably pull a Seahawks and sign (or trade for) a veteran, then draft a mid round guy with a high ceiling. Even if the mid-round guy tanks, you still have your veteran that you brought in.

My gut says the Jets should sign a veteran who you can ask to start games with a straight face (Vick, for example, would fall into this category), even if you know he isn't ideal or a long term solution. I trade down in the first, try to pick up a second or third rounder. Draft OL / DL / LB / QB with my first four picks in some order (OL first, most likely).

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You're a moron. Finding a good QB is hard because all functions of your team have to be working in concert to make it happen. You have to 1. Identify the player (scouting) 2. Put a proper round valuation on the player (GM) 3. Surround the player with teammates who compensate for your new QBs limitations. (GM) 4. Develop the player. (Coaching). Bill Walsh used to compare drafting a quarterback to adopting a baby--bringing it into your house is only the start of a long process. Unfortunately, our football team adopts babies and hopes they learn how to feed and change themselves. Then, after they starve to death, the Jets blame the baby.

Pennington failed because injuries took a mediocre arm and turned it into an unacceptable arm.

Clemens was a sulky kid from a cattle farm that got jerked over in the Pennington-Favre ****fest and never recovered from having his head screwed up by the Schottenheimer-Cavanaugh coaching disaster.

Sanchez also attended the Schottenheimer-Cavanaugh QB Killa Training Course, but had the added bonus of having Rex surround his emo-Cali-surfer-fag ass with some of history's great malcontents. The Mark Sanchez Story will be used in the NFL forever as a cautionary tale in how not to draft and develop a quarterback.

Short story, this Jets regime would have ruined almost any QB that walked through the door. If they drafted Luck, we'd be talking about how he had no weapons. If they drafted RGIII, Sparano would have been telling the press about his bad throwing motion and that silly Baylor offense. If we signed Peyton Manning, he'd have killed Holmes and then gotten killed by the turnstile rotation at left guard. Kirk Cousins would have sat the bench behind Sanchez all year because--say it with me--Sanchez gave the team the best chance to win.

Bottom line, the Jets haven't found a quarterback in forty years because the Jets are a bad organization. They were a bad organization under Leon and they're a bad organization now. Woody should thank his lucky stars that parity now starts every team off at 8-8, otherwise his hobby team would have had zero success since taking it over from Parcells.

This explanation is as good as it gets, your right on the money.

The one year we did get above average QB play was 98 with Vinny but he was already what ?? 36 ? Reason he played well was EVERYTHING you mentioned above A solid cast of players around him and very good coaching. Vinnys limitations were his ridiculous int rate and his lack of mobility, Parcells and Weiss figrued out a way to keep Vinny in check by running a very balanced offense and Vinny responded with 29 TD's and 7 Ints the best year ever for a Jets QB.

Just as you said Shane I think the Jets would have ruined most of those QB's you mentioned and while Sanchez has played absolutely terrible he does not seem like the same player he was the first few years here, its possible he could have been molded better but we'll never know at this stage since hes basically been destroyed in just about every phase you can destroy a QB/

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Luck is a huge factor any way you look at it brother. The Colts happen to have the 2 worst season of their last 20 years the same year that the best QB prospects of our life time are coming out? Brady gets put into a game because his started almost died. If the Seahawks knew what they had in Wilson so they waited til the 3rd round?

Sorry this one doesnt fit your Wrecks Ryan hate agenda.

Lets say the Jets were the Seattle Seahawks and they went and paid big bucks for Flynn do yuou think Rex would have had the brains or the balls to recognize the ability in a 5-11 QB ? NO WAY Wilson would have never touched the field . Thats the difference between a coach like Pete Carroll and Rex Ryan Carroll has Balls Rex is a ****ing wind bag. Its probably the same reason when Bradway was pushing hard for Wilson he was pushed a side by two ****ing imbeciles Tanny and Rex

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This explanation is as good as it gets, your right on the money.

The one year we did get above average QB play was 98 with Vinny but he was already what ?? 36 ? Reason he played well was EVERYTHING you mentioned above A solid cast of players around him and very good coaching. Vinnys limitations were his ridiculous int rate and his lack of mobility, Parcells and Weiss figrued out a way to keep Vinny in check by running a very balanced offense and Vinny responded with 29 TD's and 7 Ints the best year ever for a Jets QB.

Just as you said Shane I think the Jets would have ruined most of those QB's you mentioned and while Sanchez has played absolutely terrible he does not seem like the same player he was the first few years here, its possible he could have been molded better but we'll never know at this stage since hes basically been destroyed in just about every phase you can destroy a QB/

Drafting a qb is not just getting lucky.

It is a number of things to help that player have success. You need a nurturing environment.

The Jets have not provided that in a while.

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And traded for Matt Flynn and signed him to that huge deal.

The Seahawks signed Flynn in March. They had no idea that they were going to be able to get Wilson (If they were targeting him then).

The Seahawks protected their QB position.

What do you think the Jets would do if they signed a FA QB? Think they would want to take a QB in the draft with their first couple of picks? Not Rex. He would be taking some CB. Can never have enough of those.

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You're a moron. Finding a good QB is hard because all functions of your team have to be working in concert to make it happen. You have to 1. Identify the player (scouting) 2. Put a proper round valuation on the player (GM) 3. Surround the player with teammates who compensate for your new QBs limitations. (GM) 4. Develop the player. (Coaching). Bill Walsh used to compare drafting a quarterback to adopting a baby--bringing it into your house is only the start of a long process. Unfortunately, our football team adopts babies and hopes they learn how to feed and change themselves. Then, after they starve to death, the Jets blame the baby.

Pennington failed because injuries took a mediocre arm and turned it into an unacceptable arm.

Clemens was a sulky kid from a cattle farm that got jerked over in the Pennington-Favre ****fest and never recovered from having his head screwed up by the Schottenheimer-Cavanaugh coaching disaster.

Sanchez also attended the Schottenheimer-Cavanaugh QB Killa Training Course, but had the added bonus of having Rex surround his emo-Cali-surfer-fag ass with some of history's great malcontents. The Mark Sanchez Story will be used in the NFL forever as a cautionary tale in how not to draft and develop a quarterback.

Short story, this Jets regime would have ruined almost any QB that walked through the door. If they drafted Luck, we'd be talking about how he had no weapons. If they drafted RGIII, Sparano would have been telling the press about his bad throwing motion and that silly Baylor offense. If we signed Peyton Manning, he'd have killed Holmes and then gotten killed by the turnstile rotation at left guard. Kirk Cousins would have sat the bench behind Sanchez all year because--say it with me--Sanchez gave the team the best chance to win.

Bottom line, the Jets haven't found a quarterback in forty years because the Jets are a bad organization. They were a bad organization under Leon and they're a bad organization now. Woody should thank his lucky stars that parity now starts every team off at 8-8, otherwise his hobby team would have had zero success since taking it over from Parcells.

So basically, there's a ton of luck involved.

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Lets say the Jets were the Seattle Seahawks and they went and paid big bucks for Flynn do yuou think Rex would have had the brains or the balls to recognize the ability in a 5-11 QB ? NO WAY Wilson would have never touched the field . Thats the difference between a coach like Pete Carroll and Rex Ryan Carroll has Balls Rex is a ****ing wind bag. Its probably the same reason when Bradway was pushing hard for Wilson he was pushed a side by two ****ing imbeciles Tanny and Rex

He started Sanchez over Clemens.

Boom!

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The reality is Rex is not an offensive guy, so he clearly is not a QB guy.

If Rex is going to be in charge of this franchise, as it appears he is, he is going to need to bring in a true QB guy, and Offensive mind, and listen to them.

If they understand offense, they should be able to prioritize players for their offense.

If Rex continues to be a defense first, second and third type HC, no amount of "luck" is going to matter.

His first four years he clearly did not get this, lets see if he does now.

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This weekends games reinforced that winning QB's can be selected anywhere in a draft, and do not only materialize from being a top pick candidate.

But, you also have to be committed to making the position better, and that comes from identification of the candidate, providing a nurturing environment for teh candidate to grow, and commitment to the position.,

Not sure the Jet have, or have had that.

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I think the Packers also showed how a winning organization operates. They never had to use Rodgers. Favre had a few more seasons, if not more in him. He made his mistakes, but the team went to the NFC Championship game and almost made it to the super bowl. So picking Rodgers over Favre at that point was a huge huge huge gamble. And the Packers, a team who has had very few losing seasons since the mid 1990's, wound up 6-10 with Rodgers. And Favre had a decent year with the Jets and was injured. The next year the VIkings were one of the top teams and Favre made it to another NFC Championship game.

You could say the same thing about the Colts. They could have hung onto Manning, let Luck sit in the wings for a few seasons. And the Colts probably win 13 or 14 games with Manning this year and they wind up as the #1 seed. The same scenario could play out for a few years. But then Manning retires and the Colts are stuck in limbo. Same with the Packers. Sometimes it's not just about luck. Sometimes teams actually have plans and balls to make decisions that might not be popular.

Hell years ago, the Chargers dumped Brees for Rivers. Brees won a super bow and has been great,l but Rivers was a pro bowl QB. And the joke that Rivers is a turnover machine now is funny. Rivers had 15 Interceptions. Brees had 19 interceptions Except people don't seem to look at that. Going further back, The 49ers dumped Montana for Young. There is no guarantee it would have worked out. It's easy to say certain things after the fact, but teams actually have to make those choices. They have to take that chance.

The Jets stuck with Pennington for years and years knowing he was never going to be the guy who could throw 4 TDS in a game at will, never a guy who was going to stay healthy. And they never drafted somebody to replace him. Some teams just seem to know what they are doing. The Jets seem to stay in limbo regime after regime.

What seperates all those situations form the Jets is the jets have forever had defensive-oriented coaches. And that's why the don't even bother to draft a QB. It's almost been an afterthought. Pennington and Clemens were practically second thoughts rather than plans. The best QB here since Namath was Testaverde, and that really was luck rather than a plan.

Simply since the day Joe Willie went to LA this franchise has been so defense first that the most important position on the field has rarely been a priority. When they've managed to have some success it's mostly been a happy accident.And with Wrecks Ryan as de facto Gm that is not changing anytime soon.

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