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[Scott Dierking]

look at it from the other way, Jet fans want to fire Rex for 2 bad years after 2 good years.

That sounds pretty reasonable. The results lately have been horrible.

[Lil Bit Special]

look at it from the other way, Jet fans want to fire Rex for 2 bad years after 2 good years.

I love when people say this. Just makes me smile every time.

[Bugg]

Good of Woody Johnson to finally post here and tell us what he thinks. True love will never die. Wrecks Ryan, know that JayKwaz, aka Woody, loves you madly, deeply and totally. And no woman's feet, no matter how enticing, will ever come between you.

Again, love never dies. It can, however, eff up an NFL franchise.

[JFtoLong]

This is speculation. You don't really know these things. Neither do I. In Head coaching terms, Rex is still young. I believe that he will win (another) ring eventually the question is will it be here with the jets or with some other team. But neither of us really have proof of what he will do in the future.

Its opinion, of course it's speculation. I don't have a time machine, and neither do you.

I am pretty damn sure it won't be with the Jets.

Even Woody will have to eventually see the light with Rex.

Rex destined this team for mediocrity for years to come.

No QB this year, no skill players, average defense, maybe slightly above average defense.

It's going to take years to build an NFL calibur offense, and that is if Rex can even do it right, which I don't think he can.

He is going to really struggle to bring in anyone with any talent as an OC for many obvious reasons.

It's going to take years to build up any talent whatsoever on offense, even if they can get a good OC.

There are no QB's in the draft this year, no FA's, so earliest case is 2014 for a QB, which will take years to develop, if done properly

How long can Rex realistically get?

He set this in motion 4 years ago, this was his plan, this was his strategy, this was his execution.

[bitonti]

How long can Rex realistically get?

as long as he wants. and the reason why is his defense is great and there's no clear upgrade. Jets fans want to throw away a great defense for the possibility of a great offense. But the HC market sucks and the last place Jets want to be is like the Eagles, interviewing Brian Billick because 10 candidates have said no already. chances are they fire Rex and the next guy is worse.

Edited by bitonti, 14 January 2013 - 09:24 AM.

[bitonti]

That sounds pretty reasonable. The results lately have been horrible.

firing coaches every 3-5 years has been horrible.

[Bugg]

Its opinion, of course it's speculation. I don't have a time machine, and neither do you.

I am pretty damn sure it won't be with the Jets.

Even Woody will have to eventually see the light with Rex.

Rex destined this team for mediocrity for years to come.

No QB this year, no skill players, average defense, maybe slightly above average defense.

It's going to take years to build an NFL calibur offense, and that is if Rex can even do it right, which I don't think he can.

He is going to really struggle to bring in anyone with any talent as an OC for many obvious reasons.

It's going to take years to build up any talent whatsoever on offense, even if they can get a good OC.

There are no QB's in the draft this year, no FA's, so earliest case is 2014 for a QB, which will take years to develop, if done properly

How long can Rex realistically get?

He set this in motion 4 years ago, this was his plan, this was his strategy, this was his execution.

You don't really know that. If we had a real GM and areal scouting department, may be it would be otherwise. Recall we have seen dribs and drabs that Bradway, what ever other faults he has, was supposedly all over Russell Wilson, May be there is another guy like that. Problem is Wrecks Ryan will instead opt for another defensive lineman in his quest for the next Ngata no matter what the scouts say.

Edited by Bugg, 14 January 2013 - 09:25 AM.

[Scott Dierking]

firing coaches every 3-5 years has been horrible.

If you don't have the right coach, you do not retain him for the sake of continuity

[Lil Bit Special]

as long as he wants. and the reason why is his defense is great and there's no clear upgrade. Jets fans want to throw away a great defense for the possibility of a great offense. But the HC market sucks and the last place Jets want to be is like the Eagles, interviewing Brian Billick because 10 candidates have said no already. chances are they fire Rex and the next guy is worse.

So his defense is "great" but the rest of the team is a joke, he cant handle the duties as a HC properly, but we shouldnt dump him because there may not be someone better out there. This sounds like a battered woman who wont leave her abusive boyfriend.

[Scott Dierking]

as long as he wants. and the reason why is his defense is great and there's no clear upgrade. Jets fans want to throw away a great defense for the possibility of a great offense. But the HC market sucks and the last place Jets want to be is like the Eagles, interviewing Brian Billick because 10 candidates have said no already. chances are they fire Rex and the next guy is worse.

Bit, help me here. You say this defense is "great". I disagree. Show me two examples this year where this "great defense" held down a "good" offense.

[Lil Bit Special]

firing coaches every 3-5 years has been horrible.

Youre right. Lets keep someone who has shown he cant handle being a HC just because its too soon in your book.

[Lil Bit Special]

If you don't have the right coach, you do not retain him for the sake of continuity

but... but.... but... he made 2 AFC championship games! He's awesome! You need to look past every single f#cking thing he f#cks up as a head coach and see that he's pretty good at coaching defense!

[Bugg]

Bit, help me here. You say this defense is "great". I disagree. Show me two examples this year where this "great defense" held down a "good" offense.

How much of the Jets' point allowed per game was greatness, and how much was opponents knowing the Jets' offense couldn't score and Pick 6's mistakes would always bail you out?

[Bugg]

Youre right. Lets keep someone who has shown he cant handle being a HC just because its too soon in your book.

The continuity canard. If the coach sucks keeping him around doens't miraculously make him any better. Bu this logic Charlie Winner, Rich Kotite and Herman Edwards simply needed another season or 2 to grasp a Lombardi.

[JFtoLong]

You don't really know that. If we had a real GM and areal scouting department, may be it would be otherwise. Recall we have seen dribs and drabs that Bradway, what ever other faults he has, was supposedly all over Russell Wilson, May be there is another guy like that. Problem is Wrecks Ryan will instead opt for another defensive lineman in his quest for the next Ngata no matter what the scouts say.

I agree 100% with everything you are saying, we don't know that.

My point is this, the way the Jets have gone about the QB position, they are going to need a truly great cant miss QB.

That guy is not out there this year, and I don't think they have anywhere near enough talent for a young QB to thrive here, nor do I think they can possibly get an OC in here that will be a good offensive mind.

I actually think Rex is going to go offense in this draft, because he knows what the criticism is against him, and he will do it not because he thinks we need more offense, but because he does not want to get criticized.

[Lil Bit Special]

The continuity canard. If the coach sucks keeping him around doens't miraculously make him any better. Bu this logic Charlie Winner, Rich Kotite and Herman Edwards simply needed another season or 2 to grasp a Lombardi.

Its about time people realized all Kotite needed was a few more years.

[JFtoLong]

as long as he wants. and the reason why is his defense is great and there's no clear upgrade. Jets fans want to throw away a great defense for the possibility of a great offense. But the HC market sucks and the last place Jets want to be is like the Eagles, interviewing Brian Billick because 10 candidates have said no already. chances are they fire Rex and the next guy is worse.

First off, it is not a great defense, it is a good defense.

Second off, even a great defense with no hopes of a good offense is not going to get it done.

I would rather move on with the hopes of getting in someone better, than stick with what I know cannot win a SB.

I will deal with bad seasons to make that happen.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

It is insane to think Rex is going to build this franchise into a SB contender.

[bitonti]

Bit, help me here. You say this defense is "great". I disagree. Show me two examples this year where this "great defense" held down a "good" offense.

the defense played well and were hung out to dry by the 3 and outs and turnovers from the offense. For examples see every Jets game for the last 2 years.

[bitonti]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result.

funny that's how I feel about firing head coaches every few years. We have a good coach, we should keep him until he wants to leave. For once.

[Scott Dierking]

the defense played well and were hung out to dry by the 3 and outs and turnovers from the offense. For examples see every Jets game for the last 2 years.

I am asking for specific games, where you thought the defense played "great' against a good offense.

I can't recall it.

Oh, and BTW, teh offense that you are seeing, Rex is very responsible for that too, in case you thought blame could be shifted