Jump to content

  •  

Photo
- - - - -

This weekend's losing teams....


  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
119 replies to this topic

#1 gEYno

gEYno

    2013-2014 JN Captain & VIP Member

  • Members
  • 17,349 posts

Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:25 PM

Averaged 30.5 points.

The winners averaged 38.5 points.

The Jets averaged 17.6 points this season.

So, does defense even really matter anymore?
  • 3

reset_buttonjpgscaled500_zps740f8923.jpg


#2 JFtoLong

JFtoLong

    2nd Year Veteran

  • Banned
  • 1,294 posts
  • Locationgrassy knoll

Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:29 PM

Averaged 30.5 points.

The winners averaged 38.5 points.

The Jets averaged 17.6 points this season.

So, does defense even really matter anymore?


Not really, this is why Rex is so clueless.

This has been obvious for 5 years now, and he insists on ignoring the offense to build an average defense, and a ground and pound offense.

In todays NFL if you cannot score at will, you dont win.

The fact that any HC, let alone ours, does not get this, and gets paid millions per year is disturbing.
  • 0

#3 Integrity28

Integrity28

    I love it when Idzik's plan comes together.

  • Members
  • 32,961 posts
  • Locationwrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time

Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

Averaged 30.5 points.

The winners averaged 38.5 points.

The Jets averaged 17.6 points this season.

So, does defense even really matter anymore?


Nope. Let's lock up all our salary in the CB position!!!
  • 3

"Idz a process."

 

Posted Image


#4 JFtoLong

JFtoLong

    2nd Year Veteran

  • Banned
  • 1,294 posts
  • Locationgrassy knoll

Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:31 PM

Nope. Let's lock up all our salary in the CB position!!!


HAHAHAHAHA!

Rex!
  • 0

#5 Jolot

Jolot

    Practice Squad Player

  • Members
  • 464 posts

Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:32 PM

Somewhere Rex was watching these games saying..." they'd never do this to MY defense....that will never change and that's the problem.
  • 0

#6 Matt39

Matt39

    master knows all except combination to safe

  • Members
  • 21,580 posts
  • LocationDel Boca Vista Phase III

Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:47 PM

Baltimores defense was a big reason they won.
  • 0

#7 Lil Bit Special

Lil Bit Special

    pumba lookin ass- Chris Ivory

  • Members
  • 22,730 posts

Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:20 PM

the reason why teams scored so much is the sh!tty defenses.
  • 0
When the weight of the world has got you down And you want to end your life,Bills to pay, a dead-end job,And problems with the wife.But don't throw in the tow'l,'Cuz there's a place right down the block...Where you can drink your misery away...At Flaming Moe's.... (Let's all go to Flaming Moe's...)When liquor in a mug (Let's all go to Flaming Moe's...)Can warm you like a hug. (Flaming Moe's...)And happiness is just a Flaming Moe away...

#8 JerryK

JerryK

    Supreme Chancellor

  • Members
  • 4,216 posts

Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:36 PM

You gotta at least get enough 1st downs to rest the D.
  • 0
Avatar=whoever eliminates Brady.

#9 BroadwayJoe12

BroadwayJoe12

    JN's Rust Cohle

  • Members
  • 8,417 posts

Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:27 PM

*
POPULAR

Averaged 30.5 points.

The winners averaged 38.5 points.

The Jets averaged 17.6 points this season.

So, does defense even really matter anymore?

Not really, this is why Rex is so clueless.

This has been obvious for 5 years now, and he insists on ignoring the offense to build an average defense, and a ground and pound offense.

In todays NFL if you cannot score at will, you dont win.

The fact that any HC, let alone ours, does not get this, and gets paid millions per year is disturbing.




Right. Here's the top 12 teams ranked in scoring defense and their offensive ranking;

1. Seahawks
2. Niners
3. Bears
4. Broncos
5. Falcons
6. Steelers
7. Dolphins
8. Bengals
9. Patriots
10. Texans
11. Packers
12. Ravens


What a strange coincidence that all 8 teams that played this weekend happened to all have top 12 defenses. (Yes, all these teams were also in the top half of scoring offensive teams, but let's not go pretending that defense is completely irrelevant. As it's obviously not.)
  • 6

#10 SenorGato

SenorGato

    Schottenhomer

  • Members
  • 20,227 posts

Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:26 AM

Nope. Let's lock up all our salary in the CB position!!!


Actually if there's a defensive position to lock up it would be a game changing CB at this point unless there's a Von Miller/Terrell Suggs/DeMarcus Ware/Justin Smith/Vince Wilfork/Haloti Ngata/Willis level player in the front 7.

Fact is, with teams passing so much a great CB like Revis can have the kind of impact a great front 7 pass rusher has. His 2009 and 2010 put him in the discussion for best defensive player in the league. The problem the Jets have had is that the offense doesn't cover the fact that there is no great front 7 pass rusher on the Jets.

Dare I say: CB should be the new LT as far as paychecks go. They basically have to be the WR but with may more room for a penalty.

Edited by SenorGato, 14 January 2013 - 12:34 AM.

  • 0

We sick an' tired of-a your ism-skism game. Dyin' 'n' goin' to heaven in-a Jesus' name, Lord. We know when we understand:

Almighty God is a living man. - Bob Marley "Get up Stand up"


#11 Smashmouth

Smashmouth

    Make us proud Wrecks

  • Members
  • 13,049 posts
  • LocationDallas Tx.

Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:45 AM

Averaged 30.5 points.

The winners averaged 38.5 points.

The Jets averaged 17.6 points this season.

So, does defense even really matter anymore?


in the 4th quarter when you need a big stop or a big play or a timely QB sack when it counts yes defense matters.
  • 0

Proud Member of the AVM


#12 T0mShane

T0mShane

    Gluten for punishment

  • Members
  • 26,400 posts

Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:50 AM

Right. Here's the top 12 teams ranked in scoring defense and their offensive ranking;

1. Seahawks
2. Niners
3. Bears
4. Broncos
5. Falcons
6. Steelers
7. Dolphins
8. Bengals
9. Patriots
10. Texans
11. Packers
12. Ravens


What a strange coincidence that all 8 teams that played this weekend happened to all have top 12 defenses. (Yes, all these teams were also in the top half of scoring offensive teams, but let's not go pretending that defense is completely irrelevant. As it's obviously not.)



Scoring Defense is a fuzzy stat that, in large part, can be manipulated with Offensive Time if Possession. The TOP rankings pretty much follow the Scoring Defense rankings.
  • 0
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.

#13 JFtoLong

JFtoLong

    2nd Year Veteran

  • Banned
  • 1,294 posts
  • Locationgrassy knoll

Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:09 AM

Right. Here's the top 12 teams ranked in scoring defense and their offensive ranking;

1. Seahawks
2. Niners
3. Bears
4. Broncos
5. Falcons
6. Steelers
7. Dolphins
8. Bengals
9. Patriots
10. Texans
11. Packers
12. Ravens


What a strange coincidence that all 8 teams that played this weekend happened to all have top 12 defenses. (Yes, all these teams were also in the top half of scoring offensive teams, but let's not go pretending that defense is completely irrelevant. As it's obviously not.)


Of course defense matters, but, in todays NFL, here is how I see it:

Great Offense, you can still win with no defense, pats almost won the superbowl last year with this combo

Good Offense, you need to play some defense, but you don't have to be great.

Average Offense, you need to play elite level defense to be a serious threat

Below average offense, it does not really matter how good your defense is, you cannot win

Terrible offense, see the Jets

Offense has become much more important in todays NFL, but of course defense will always have its place.
  • 1

#14 ECURB

ECURB

    Throwback!

  • Members
  • 30,197 posts
  • LocationOn cloud 8.5

Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:26 AM

Scoring Defense is a fuzzy stat that, in large part, can be manipulated with Offensive Time if Possession. The TOP rankings pretty much follow the Scoring Defense rankings.


Nothing fuzzy about how many ppg you allow. Nice try at spinning it though.

The Ravens defense did a good job shutting down Manning. Remember 2 tds were from returns.
  • 0

Posted Image


#15 Integrity28

Integrity28

    I love it when Idzik's plan comes together.

  • Members
  • 32,961 posts
  • Locationwrong guy in the wrong place at the wrong time

Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:43 AM

Actually if there's a defensive position to lock up it would be a game changing CB at this point unless there's a Von Miller/Terrell Suggs/DeMarcus Ware/Justin Smith/Vince Wilfork/Haloti Ngata/Willis level player in the front 7.

Fact is, with teams passing so much a great CB like Revis can have the kind of impact a great front 7 pass rusher has. His 2009 and 2010 put him in the discussion for best defensive player in the league. The problem the Jets have had is that the offense doesn't cover the fact that there is no great front 7 pass rusher on the Jets.

Dare I say: CB should be the new LT as far as paychecks go. They basically have to be the WR but with may more room for a penalty.


In general, I don't disagree with you, however in our unique circumstance having 2 CBs that can lock-down WRs and absolutely no offense of our own to score points is, well, pointless.
  • 0

"Idz a process."

 

Posted Image


#16 Scott Dierking

Scott Dierking

    Jerk

  • Members
  • 13,221 posts

Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:43 AM

Nothing fuzzy about how many ppg you allow. Nice try at spinning it though.

The Ravens defense did a good job shutting down Manning. Remember 2 tds were from returns.


Sure there is. Special teams affect ppg by yardage they may give up or not,or scores they may give up. Offenses (the jets!) give up scores too.
  • 0
Originally Posted by Blackout™
LOL ignorance is bless.

#17 ECURB

ECURB

    Throwback!

  • Members
  • 30,197 posts
  • LocationOn cloud 8.5

Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:01 AM

Sure there is. Special teams affect ppg by yardage they may give up or not,or scores they may give up. Offenses (the jets!) give up scores too.


Sure but over 16 games it is reliable enough to rank teams.
  • 0

Posted Image


#18 T0mShane

T0mShane

    Gluten for punishment

  • Members
  • 26,400 posts

Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:09 AM

Nothing fuzzy about how many ppg you allow. Nice try at spinning it though.

The Ravens defense did a good job shutting down Manning. Remember 2 tds were from returns.


I'm not arguing math with a man who believes that 1. PSLs are great investments and 2. thought that Cleveland could win without Lebron.
  • 1
Well, that's the internet, man: 9 billion tough guys who secretly want to touch your pee-pee.

#19 Bugg

Bugg

    Of counsel whack job

  • Members
  • 14,358 posts

Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:28 AM

Baltimores defense was a big reason they won.

The Broncos pulling in the horns with timeouts and 30 odd seconds at the ends of both halves was arguably why they lost. Pussyball and leaving it to the defense loses. How FOx or Manniong or both did that is really mindboggling.
  • 0
Objective-Glendale, Arizona

Super Bowl 49-February, 2015

#20 Klecko73isGod

Klecko73isGod

    Anchor Salesman

  • Members
  • 21,817 posts

Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:36 AM

Averaged 30.5 points.

The winners averaged 38.5 points.

The Jets averaged 17.6 points this season.

So, does defense even really matter anymore?


Baltimore's defense only allowed 21 points. Its one of the main reasons they won.
  • 1
Posted Image

A RYAN ALWAYS SAUSAGES HIS FROSTED FLAKES


#21 bitonti

bitonti

    Draft Bathroom Attendant

  • Members
  • 14,797 posts

Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:36 AM

ya need


The Broncos pulling in the horns with timeouts and 30 odd seconds at the ends of both halves was arguably why they lost. Pussyball and leaving it to the defense loses. How FOx or Manniong or both did that is really mindboggling.


Manning was throwing balloons out there all game. with 30 secs left it's a good way to get a 38 year old QB picked off.
  • 0

My posts have to get worse, so they can get better.


#22 bitonti

bitonti

    Draft Bathroom Attendant

  • Members
  • 14,797 posts

Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:37 AM

Baltimore's defense only allowed 21 points. Its one of the main reasons they won.


this. ya need both. the Jets only have one. but that's better than none.
  • 0

My posts have to get worse, so they can get better.


#23 ECURB

ECURB

    Throwback!

  • Members
  • 30,197 posts
  • LocationOn cloud 8.5

Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:01 AM

I'm not arguing math with a man who believes that 1. PSLs are great investments and 2. thought that Cleveland could win without Lebron.


Please tell me when I ever said PSL's are a good investment... I just love my seats and without PSL's I would never have had them.
  • 0

Posted Image


#24 slats

slats

    9 5/8" hands

  • Moderators
  • 19,126 posts
  • LocationAcross the Universe

Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:18 AM

Last year, the Giants beat the high scoring Patriots 21-17 in the Super Bowl. Defense probably had something to do with their win.
  • 0
back in my room
wish you were dead
you bawl like the baby
in Eraserhead

#25 JFtoLong

JFtoLong

    2nd Year Veteran

  • Banned
  • 1,294 posts
  • Locationgrassy knoll

Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:21 AM

Last year, the Giants beat the high scoring Patriots 21-17 in the Super Bowl. Defense probably had something to do with their win.


Yup, defense and dropped passes.

And the Giants offense was a very good offense last year.
  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users