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This weekend's losing teams....


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#1 gEYno

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:25 PM

Averaged 30.5 points.

The winners averaged 38.5 points.

The Jets averaged 17.6 points this season.

So, does defense even really matter anymore?
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:29 PM

Averaged 30.5 points.

The winners averaged 38.5 points.

The Jets averaged 17.6 points this season.

So, does defense even really matter anymore?


Not really, this is why Rex is so clueless.

This has been obvious for 5 years now, and he insists on ignoring the offense to build an average defense, and a ground and pound offense.

In todays NFL if you cannot score at will, you dont win.

The fact that any HC, let alone ours, does not get this, and gets paid millions per year is disturbing.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

Averaged 30.5 points.

The winners averaged 38.5 points.

The Jets averaged 17.6 points this season.

So, does defense even really matter anymore?


Nope. Let's lock up all our salary in the CB position!!!
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:31 PM

Nope. Let's lock up all our salary in the CB position!!!


HAHAHAHAHA!

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:32 PM

Somewhere Rex was watching these games saying..." they'd never do this to MY defense....that will never change and that's the problem.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 09:47 PM

Baltimores defense was a big reason they won.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:20 PM

the reason why teams scored so much is the sh!tty defenses.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:36 PM

You gotta at least get enough 1st downs to rest the D.
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Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:27 PM

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Averaged 30.5 points.

The winners averaged 38.5 points.

The Jets averaged 17.6 points this season.

So, does defense even really matter anymore?

Not really, this is why Rex is so clueless.

This has been obvious for 5 years now, and he insists on ignoring the offense to build an average defense, and a ground and pound offense.

In todays NFL if you cannot score at will, you dont win.

The fact that any HC, let alone ours, does not get this, and gets paid millions per year is disturbing.




Right. Here's the top 12 teams ranked in scoring defense and their offensive ranking;

1. Seahawks
2. Niners
3. Bears
4. Broncos
5. Falcons
6. Steelers
7. Dolphins
8. Bengals
9. Patriots
10. Texans
11. Packers
12. Ravens


What a strange coincidence that all 8 teams that played this weekend happened to all have top 12 defenses. (Yes, all these teams were also in the top half of scoring offensive teams, but let's not go pretending that defense is completely irrelevant. As it's obviously not.)
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:26 AM

Nope. Let's lock up all our salary in the CB position!!!


Actually if there's a defensive position to lock up it would be a game changing CB at this point unless there's a Von Miller/Terrell Suggs/DeMarcus Ware/Justin Smith/Vince Wilfork/Haloti Ngata/Willis level player in the front 7.

Fact is, with teams passing so much a great CB like Revis can have the kind of impact a great front 7 pass rusher has. His 2009 and 2010 put him in the discussion for best defensive player in the league. The problem the Jets have had is that the offense doesn't cover the fact that there is no great front 7 pass rusher on the Jets.

Dare I say: CB should be the new LT as far as paychecks go. They basically have to be the WR but with may more room for a penalty.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:45 AM

Averaged 30.5 points.

The winners averaged 38.5 points.

The Jets averaged 17.6 points this season.

So, does defense even really matter anymore?


in the 4th quarter when you need a big stop or a big play or a timely QB sack when it counts yes defense matters.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:50 AM

Right. Here's the top 12 teams ranked in scoring defense and their offensive ranking;

1. Seahawks
2. Niners
3. Bears
4. Broncos
5. Falcons
6. Steelers
7. Dolphins
8. Bengals
9. Patriots
10. Texans
11. Packers
12. Ravens


What a strange coincidence that all 8 teams that played this weekend happened to all have top 12 defenses. (Yes, all these teams were also in the top half of scoring offensive teams, but let's not go pretending that defense is completely irrelevant. As it's obviously not.)



Scoring Defense is a fuzzy stat that, in large part, can be manipulated with Offensive Time if Possession. The TOP rankings pretty much follow the Scoring Defense rankings.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:09 AM

Right. Here's the top 12 teams ranked in scoring defense and their offensive ranking;

1. Seahawks
2. Niners
3. Bears
4. Broncos
5. Falcons
6. Steelers
7. Dolphins
8. Bengals
9. Patriots
10. Texans
11. Packers
12. Ravens


What a strange coincidence that all 8 teams that played this weekend happened to all have top 12 defenses. (Yes, all these teams were also in the top half of scoring offensive teams, but let's not go pretending that defense is completely irrelevant. As it's obviously not.)


Of course defense matters, but, in todays NFL, here is how I see it:

Great Offense, you can still win with no defense, pats almost won the superbowl last year with this combo

Good Offense, you need to play some defense, but you don't have to be great.

Average Offense, you need to play elite level defense to be a serious threat

Below average offense, it does not really matter how good your defense is, you cannot win

Terrible offense, see the Jets

Offense has become much more important in todays NFL, but of course defense will always have its place.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:26 AM

Scoring Defense is a fuzzy stat that, in large part, can be manipulated with Offensive Time if Possession. The TOP rankings pretty much follow the Scoring Defense rankings.


Nothing fuzzy about how many ppg you allow. Nice try at spinning it though.

The Ravens defense did a good job shutting down Manning. Remember 2 tds were from returns.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:43 AM

Actually if there's a defensive position to lock up it would be a game changing CB at this point unless there's a Von Miller/Terrell Suggs/DeMarcus Ware/Justin Smith/Vince Wilfork/Haloti Ngata/Willis level player in the front 7.

Fact is, with teams passing so much a great CB like Revis can have the kind of impact a great front 7 pass rusher has. His 2009 and 2010 put him in the discussion for best defensive player in the league. The problem the Jets have had is that the offense doesn't cover the fact that there is no great front 7 pass rusher on the Jets.

Dare I say: CB should be the new LT as far as paychecks go. They basically have to be the WR but with may more room for a penalty.


In general, I don't disagree with you, however in our unique circumstance having 2 CBs that can lock-down WRs and absolutely no offense of our own to score points is, well, pointless.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:43 AM

Nothing fuzzy about how many ppg you allow. Nice try at spinning it though.

The Ravens defense did a good job shutting down Manning. Remember 2 tds were from returns.


Sure there is. Special teams affect ppg by yardage they may give up or not,or scores they may give up. Offenses (the jets!) give up scores too.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:01 AM

Sure there is. Special teams affect ppg by yardage they may give up or not,or scores they may give up. Offenses (the jets!) give up scores too.


Sure but over 16 games it is reliable enough to rank teams.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:09 AM

Nothing fuzzy about how many ppg you allow. Nice try at spinning it though.

The Ravens defense did a good job shutting down Manning. Remember 2 tds were from returns.


I'm not arguing math with a man who believes that 1. PSLs are great investments and 2. thought that Cleveland could win without Lebron.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:28 AM

Baltimores defense was a big reason they won.

The Broncos pulling in the horns with timeouts and 30 odd seconds at the ends of both halves was arguably why they lost. Pussyball and leaving it to the defense loses. How FOx or Manniong or both did that is really mindboggling.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:36 AM

Averaged 30.5 points.

The winners averaged 38.5 points.

The Jets averaged 17.6 points this season.

So, does defense even really matter anymore?


Baltimore's defense only allowed 21 points. Its one of the main reasons they won.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:36 AM

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The Broncos pulling in the horns with timeouts and 30 odd seconds at the ends of both halves was arguably why they lost. Pussyball and leaving it to the defense loses. How FOx or Manniong or both did that is really mindboggling.


Manning was throwing balloons out there all game. with 30 secs left it's a good way to get a 38 year old QB picked off.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 08:37 AM

Baltimore's defense only allowed 21 points. Its one of the main reasons they won.


this. ya need both. the Jets only have one. but that's better than none.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:01 AM

I'm not arguing math with a man who believes that 1. PSLs are great investments and 2. thought that Cleveland could win without Lebron.


Please tell me when I ever said PSL's are a good investment... I just love my seats and without PSL's I would never have had them.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:18 AM

Last year, the Giants beat the high scoring Patriots 21-17 in the Super Bowl. Defense probably had something to do with their win.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 09:21 AM

Last year, the Giants beat the high scoring Patriots 21-17 in the Super Bowl. Defense probably had something to do with their win.


Yup, defense and dropped passes.

And the Giants offense was a very good offense last year.
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