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[JFtoLong]

Best way to rebuild is through the line. If i was an nfl gm my mission statement would be top 5 d and o lines each year. Makes many other positions plug and play. But hey what do i know

I used to be 100% in agreement, now I think you need a pass blocking line and WRs who can get open, and A QB who can get the ball to them.

It's very hard to win without that.

[JiF]

NFL caliber players under contract for 2013:

Revis
Cromartie
Wilkerson
Mangold
D'Brick
Pouha
Harris
Wilson
Holmes
Kerley
Powell
McKnight
Coples
Punter Guy
Davis

Then Howard, Slauson, Moore, And Mauga aren't major threats to leave.

This roster has talent, and if New GMs first plan is to burn it down then he New GM should not be the new GM.

You forgot DBrickashaw. That makes 20 by my count (if we retain the RFA you listed)

Our on the cusp of being NFL-caliber, players (read: backups still under contract):
McIntyre
Ricky Sapp
Lankster
Rueland
Hill
Ducasse
Schlauderoff
McElroy

That makes 28. 29 if you wanna count Sanchez

There is a foundation to build on. The truth is, if done correctly what the Jets need are fixable in one offseason. WR, RB, TE - are not hard to find in one offseason. They should be plug and play positions with a decent QB. Every year numerous RB's and WR's come out of nowhere. Plus, I think with a healthy squad - Edwards, Holmes and Kerley are really one game breaker away from having a solid core (Hill sucks and I think they resign Edwards for cheap). You can find RB's and WR's in every round and all over the place in FA, its just a matter of hitting on some of those and....finding a QB, which the Jets historically just cant do. Sad.

The defense with Wilk, Coples, Pouha maybe resign DeVito cheap...and hope Ellis gets healthy and becomes what he's flashed. Thats a strong DL. They were just riddled with injuries this season. LB'ers suck and should be the focus of the first round, IMO. Hopefully Davis can be a player and they can cut Scott and dump his salary. Rex has proved that he can coach with anything in the secondary and be top notch, so thats not an issue.

There's a foundation. Its just missing the most important piece, QB. The rest is easy. Except OLB, lots of options right around where the Jets draft. Scares me a bit.

Edited by JiF, 15 January 2013 - 09:05 PM.

[JFtoLong]

There is a foundation to build on. The truth is, if done correctly what the Jets need are fixable in one offseason. WR, RB, TE - are not hard to find in one offseason. They should be plug and play positions with a decent QB. Every year numerous RB's and WR's come out of nowhere. Plus, I think with a healthy squad - Edwards, Holmes and Kerley are really one game breaker away from having a solid core (Hill sucks and I think they resign Edwards for cheap). You can find RB's and WR's in every round and all over the place in FA, its just a matter of hitting on some of those and....finding a QB, which the Jets historically just cant do. Sad.

The defense with Wilk, Coples, Pouha maybe resign DeVito cheap...and hope Ellis gets healthy and becomes what he's flashed. Thats a strong DL. They were just riddled with injuries this season. LB'ers suck and should be the focus of the first round, IMO. Hopefully Davis can be a player and they can cut Scott and dump his salary. Rex has proved that he can coach with anything in the secondary and be top notch, so thats not an issue.

There's a foundation. Its just missing the most important piece, QB. The rest is easy. Except OLB, lots of options right around where the Jets draft. Scares me a bit.

Show me one "decent" QB who is making mediocre, gettable WR's and RB's look good?

Very good/Great QB's can do it, but there are about 3-6 of those guys in the NFL, tops.

Those guys are not attainable.

The next tier of QB's all have talent to work with.

What would your classification of a decent QB be, who is going to make a scrap heap receiving core look good?

[JiF]

Show me one "decent" QB who is making mediocre, gettable WR's and RB's look good?

Very good/Great QB's can do it, but there are about 3-6 of those guys in the NFL, tops.

Those guys are not attainable.

The next tier of QB's all have talent to work with.

What would your classification of a decent QB be, who is going to make a scrap heap receiving core look good?

Agreed. Bad choice of words.

My point remains - "You can find RB's and WR's in every round and all over the place in FA, its just a matter of hitting on some of those and....finding a QB, which the Jets historically just cant do. Sad."

[JFtoLong]

Agreed. Bad choice of words.

My point remains - "You can find RB's and WR's in every round and all over the place in FA, its just a matter of hitting on some of those and....finding a QB, which the Jets historically just cant do. Sad."

It is sad, but here is my question for you if you were building a team.

What would be easier, find one of the 3-6 QB's who can make a mediocre offense look good

or

Find a mediocre QB, and put talented WR's and RB's around them


My opinion is if you can get one of the elite QB's, you do whatever the hell you can to get them.

If not

Get the best QB you can, but realize you will need to put talent around them, and do it!

Then, if you have talent, and can get an elite QB, you have a terrific offense.

Cannot sit around waiting for one of those type of QB's to become available, because drafting gets you no assurance of it, and they become avail via trade/FA once every 10 years and every team wants them.

[bitonti]

Our on the cusp of being NFL-caliber, players (read: backups still under contract):
McIntyre
Ricky Sapp
Lankster
Rueland
Hill
Ducasse
Schlauderoff
McElroy

That makes 28. 29 if you wanna count Sanchez

McIntyre actually played well as a starter. Easily "Nfl Caliber"
Vlad is gonna start and played well in split time. huge difference between how he looked this year and when he started.
Lankster actually wasnt bad
Stephen Hill has #1 NFL WR potential if he learns how to not be stonehands

and yes Sanchez is gonna be there too. unfortunately.

[Greenseed4]

There's a foundation. Its just missing the most important piece, QB. The rest is easy. Except OLB, lots of options right around where the Jets draft. Scares me a bit.

Completely agree. Our OL finished 5th in run-blocking at the season's end...and that was with a decimated WR and TE corps and a B-level Running Back. A healthy Holmes, and decent TE option, and a more talented feature back would do wonders for this team. Sanchez, or not.
[Add in a drafted OL, we are only 3 players away from a legit offense] Quick fix = Sign a free agent TE, draft a featured RB, and future OL starter.

I say we do away with the FB position all together. Let Josh Baker get healthy and play TE/FB. His versatility will help fill out the other parts of the roster. Who knows, maybe we can use some of the Iso-DT plays that San Francisco plays (where NT Sopogoa lines up at FB).

On Defense, our DL is back in full (minus DeVito, but plus Ellis), and our secondary will still be impressive (minus Landry, but plus Revis).
I like the idea of Demario Davis becoming that "vocal leader" he was labelled as, and have no problem playing McIntyre opposite a rotating Ricky Sapp/Rookie combination. [Aside from depth we are only an OLB and some safeties away from a legit defense].
Quick fix = draft an OLB and a Safety, figure out what we've got with Josh Bush and Antonio Allen, and re-sign Bell or Landry.

Get our kicker back, get our long snapper back...and get healthy. Done.

[SenorGato]

You forgot DBrickashaw. That makes 20 by my count (if we retain the RFA you listed)

Our on the cusp of being NFL-caliber, players (read: backups still under contract):
McIntyre
Ricky Sapp
Lankster
Rueland
Hill
Ducasse
Schlauderoff
McElroy

That makes 28. 29 if you wanna count Sanchez

I'd be happy if one or two of those guys turned into something of significance.

Edited by SenorGato, 15 January 2013 - 09:59 PM.

[JiF]

It is sad, but here is my question for you if you were building a team.

What would be easier, find one of the 3-6 QB's who can make a mediocre offense look good

or

Find a mediocre QB, and put talented WR's and RB's around them


My opinion is if you can get one of the elite QB's, you do whatever the hell you can to get them.

If not

Get the best QB you can, but realize you will need to put talent around them, and do it!

Then, if you have talent, and can get an elite QB, you have a terrific offense.

Cannot sit around waiting for one of those type of QB's to become available, because drafting gets you no assurance of it, and they become avail via trade/FA once every 10 years and every team wants them.

Nothing is easy with the Jets. Its obviously more important to find the QB whichever way they chose and hope they get lucky but building weapons either way is obviously the way to stay competitive with sup par QB play. Which is easier? Finding the WR and RB's, clearly but its all masturbation if you dont have a QB.

Completely agree. Our OL finished 5th in run-blocking at the season's end...and that was with a decimated WR and TE corps and a B-level Running Back. A healthy Holmes, and decent TE option, and a more talented feature back would do wonders for this team. Sanchez, or not.
[Add in a drafted OL, we are only 3 players away from a legit offense] Quick fix = Sign a free agent TE, draft a featured RB, and future OL starter.

I say we do away with the FB position all together. Let Josh Baker get healthy and play TE/FB. His versatility will help fill out the other parts of the roster. Who knows, maybe we can use some of the Iso-DT plays that San Francisco plays (where NT Sopogoa lines up at FB).

On Defense, our DL is back in full (minus DeVito, but plus Ellis), and our secondary will still be impressive (minus Landry, but plus Revis).
I like the idea of Demario Davis becoming that "vocal leader" he was labelled as, and have no problem playing McIntyre opposite a rotating Ricky Sapp/Rookie combination. [Aside from depth we are only an OLB and some safeties away from a legit defense].
Quick fix = draft an OLB and a Safety, figure out what we've got with Josh Bush and Antonio Allen, and re-sign Bell or Landry.

Get our kicker back, get our long snapper back...and get healthy. Done.

Its obviously easier said then done but for the purpose of the topic, there's talent to build around and the positions of need are generally easier positions to fill...except OLB and QB. I think we take a shot at OLB in the draft based on what I'm seeing from projections, hopefully they dont miss and thats covered.

[Kevin L]

To win in this league you need 2 things; a good QB and a good pass rush. Look at the last few Super Bowl winners. They either had a great QB and a decent pass rush (Saints, Packers,Colts) or a decent QB and a great pass rush (Giants, Steelers).

Edited by Kevin L, 15 January 2013 - 10:31 PM.

[Jets2013]

I am not sure if Mangold has any upside left. He was pretty ordinary this season. Maybe he just gave up!

I am excited about Wilk and Coples. Ellis looks like he can make an impact if he stays healthy. Cro might he here for another season.

Kerley looked awesome. Powell was decent.

Revis will be gone.

man, this is depressing huh? Damn

[Jets2013]

To win in this league you need 2 things; a good QB and a good pass rush. Look at the last few Super Bowl winners. They either had a great QB and a decent pass rush (Saints, Packers,Colts) or a decent QB and a great pass rush (Giants, Steelers).

Smartest thing i've seen posted in awhile....absolutely agree 100%....and it sure as hell aint good when you got neither....like us

[SenorGato]

Unless everyone suddenly falls in love with all the QBs in this draft, there's actually some decent (see: experienced, tall, and strong armed) mid--late round options this year.

Landry Jones...Zac Dysert...Tyler Bray...OK, so it's a three man list.

[jetsjetsjetss]

It is sad, but here is my question for you if you were building a team.

What would be easier, find one of the 3-6 QB's who can make a mediocre offense look good

or

Find a mediocre QB, and put talented WR's and RB's around them


My opinion is if you can get one of the elite QB's, you do whatever the hell you can to get them.

If not

Get the best QB you can, but realize you will need to put talent around them, and do it!

Then, if you have talent, and can get an elite QB, you have a terrific offense.

Cannot sit around waiting for one of those type of QB's to become available, because drafting gets you no assurance of it, and they become avail via trade/FA once every 10 years and every team wants them.

you cant win with a sh*tty QB. Good QBS win super bowls. Without a franchise QB we got nothing

god and people say rex's offensive philosophy is out dated

Edited by jetsjetsjetss, 15 January 2013 - 11:28 PM.

[Greenseed4]

Unless everyone suddenly falls in love with all the QBs in this draft, there's actually some decent (see: experienced, tall, and strong armed) mid--late round options this year.

Landry Jones...Zac Dysert...Tyler Bray...OK, so it's a three man list.

You can add EJ Manuel to that list.

[Freemanm]

trade revis for a #1 pick because he was burned a few times over the past 3 seasons???? lol. many good corners get burned that many times in 1 game

Yeah, well, he wasn't injured last year and the Jets were 8-8 and missed the playoffs. The Jets were 2-3 with him in the roster this year. The Jets still lost to the Steelers with him in there, right? Why is it that the Pats go to the SB and win the division year after year without Revis in their lineup? Yes, he could very well be the best corner in the NFL, but he is expensive to keep and really isn't a difference maker for the Jets at this point.

[SenorGato]

You can add EJ Manuel to that list.

Seems like he's been around forever. Throw him on the list. He's the most mediocre of all those guys guy as far as size and arm strength.

[Greenseed4]

Seems like he's been around forever. Throw him on the list. He's the most mediocre of all those guys guy as far as size and arm strength.

Maybe, but he's quick like the wind. He can be the Tebow we never had.

[SenorGato]

Is a first contract staring RB and a 2nd round pick, the Champ Bailey trade return, be enough for Revis in 2013? Vontae Davis and Cromartie got second round picks a half decade later for. Should/Could the Jets use Revis to get another player and a pick? Both CBs are a candidate for this question.

Edited by SenorGato, 16 January 2013 - 12:31 AM.

[SenorGato]

Maybe, but he's quick like the wind. He can be the Tebow we never had.

He's a good passer relative to Tebow. At least he completes passes, but lots of mediocre throws in there.