Maxman Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/jason-la-canfora/21562356/jets-interviewing-gm-finalists-again-to-make-hire-by-thursday The New York Jets plan to name a new general manager by Thursday, according to league sources, with finalists wrapping up their interviews Wednesday. The Jets have identified at least three finalists for the GM opening, and have already conducted second interviews with at least two candidates. Steelers executive Omar Khan has interviewed with them and Seahawks exec John Idzik flew in from Seattle on Tuesday and is meeting with team officials Wednesday. The Jets' assistant general manager, Scott Cohen, is also under consideration, sources said. While there were reports of former Bears GM Jerry Angelo being a finalist, sources said he was not contacted about a second interview. Also, although there have been reports that Giants scouting director Marc Ross pulled out of consideration, league sources said he was not in fact a finalist, anyway. The Jets are replacing long-time GM Mike Tannenbaum, and are focused on ways to rectify the cap crunch they are facing and determining how to navigate a handful of awful contracts bloating the payroll. The team also must improve its scouting and talent evaluation. Idzik and Khan are experts in salary-cap and contract matters, and, sources said, if the Jets went outside the organization for this hire there would likely be sweeping changes coming to the front office. The Jets made it clear to candidates that coach Rex Ryan will stay for 2013, but that coaching changes are in play beyond that season if necessary. The team has also been interviewing coaches trying to fill the many vacancies on that staff and trying to have personnel matters resolved before the Senior Bowl kicks off next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetNation Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Jason La Canfora is reporting on CBS Sports that the New York Jets will hire their GM by Thursday. Steelers executive Omar Khan has interviewed with them and Seahawks exec John Idzik flew in from Seattle on Tuesday and is meeting with team officials Wednesday. The Jets’ assistant general manager, Scott Cohen, is also under consideration, sources said. While there were reports of former Bears GM Jerry Angelo being a finalist, sources said he was not contacted about a second interview. Also, although there have been reports that Giants scouting director Marc Ross pulled out of consideration, league sources said he was not in fact a finalist, anyway. The original list of candidates for the Jets GM position was much longer, the Jets have reportedly completed the first round of interviews without Rex Ryan being involved. Although as Woody Johnson has stated, Rex Ryan’s job is safe for this season. The Jets made it clear to candidates that coach Rex Ryan will stay for 2013, but that coaching changes are in play beyond that season if necessary. The team has also been interviewing coaches trying to fill the many vacancies on that staff and trying to have personnel matters resolved before the Senior Bowl kicks off next week. They will have to act fast to replenish their coaching staff after all the recent changes. Here is a recap of all the recent NY Jets coaching changes. You can read more on our Follow Me:View the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Steelers executive Omar Khan has interviewed with them and Seahawks exec John Idzik flew in from Seattle on Tuesday and is meeting with team officials Wednesday. The Jets' assistant general manager, Scott Cohen, is also under consideration, sources said. While there were reports of former Bears GM Jerry Angelo being a finalist, sources said he was not contacted about a second interview. Angelo being off the list is the only positive in this article. If those three guys are really the finalists, I'm just about ready to go full T0mShane on this franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Glad they're finally getting this sh*t wrapped up, even if I'm not necessarily in love with the candidates. If it's between Khan and Idzik, I'd definitely far prefer Idzik as the hire, as he has experience on all sides, including personnel matters, which I think is a huge plus and obviously needs to be priority #1 for this team. Khan's experience is nothing but 100% on the business side, and while that has it's place on an NFL staff, it's not as GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Angelo being off the list is the only positive in this article. If those three guys are really the finalists, I'm just about ready to go full T0mShane on this franchise. Angelo being off is definitely a big plus. I think Khan would be an awful hire but am trying to hold onto a glimmer of hope regarding Idzik, given that his background going beyond just the cap/contracts side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I would have to need further info on Idzik role in Seattle? He seems the best out of those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I would have to need further info on Idzik role in Seattle? He seems the best out of those Maybe I just don't know enough about Idzik. I just want a guy whose strength is personnel, and hires a nerd to do his contracts. We've done it the other way for a number of years now, and it hasn't worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I just want a guy whose strength is personnel We already have Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 focusing on three cap experts seems short sighted would prefer the top job be a talent evaluator with the assistant being the cap whiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Albert Breer @AlbertBreer Hearing the idea of hiring John Idzik intrigues the Jets. Has business sense, and Seahawks have put him on the road to scout of late too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Idzik's bio: John Idzik begins his sixth season with the Seahawks after joining the club on February 16, 2007. With Seattle, Idzik oversees player negotiations, the team’s compliance with the NFL salary cap, player personnel transactions, all football operations budgets, staff and team contracts, team travel and most aspects of the day-to-day football operations while also remaining active in player evaluations. In addition, he serves as the club’s primary liaison to the NFL Office and represents the club at League meetings. Prior to joining the Seahawks, Idzik spent three seasons as Senior Director of Football Operations for the Arizona Cardinals, helping to build an eventual NFC champion. Idzik entered the NFL in 1993 with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He spent 11 years with the Buccaneers, first as a Pro Personnel Assistant and then was elevated to Director of Football Administration in 1996 and Assistant General Manager in 2001. Prior to his tenure with the Buccaneers, Idzik spent the 1991-92 seasons as a graduate assistant coach at Duke University, where he assisted with the offensive line and running backs. In 1990 he was the offensive backfield coach for the Aberdeen Oilers (Scotland) of the British American Football League. Idzik’s first coaching assignment came in 1982 as receivers coach at the State University of New York at Buffalo. Raised in a football family, Idzik’s father, also John, was the head coach of the Aberdeen club after serving as an NFL assistant coach for the Miami Dolphins, Baltimore Colts, Philadelphia Eagles, and N.Y. Jets. They became one of the NFL’s few father-son Super Bowl champions in 2003 when the younger Idzik’s Buccaneers won Super Bowl XXXVII, as his father was the offensive backfield coach of the Super Bowl V champion Baltimore Colts. A native of Detroit, Idzik graduated with magna cum laude and Phi Beta Kappa honors from Dartmouth College in 1982 earning a bachelor’s degree in mathematics, where he also played wide receiver for the Ivy League Champion Big Green. He later earned a master’s degree in liberal studies from Duke University in 1992. Idzik and his wife, Carol (a University of Georgia graduate), have two sons, Bryant (a senior and captain of the Formula SAE racing team at Western Washington University) and Bradley (a sophomore wide receiver at Wake Forest University), and a daughter, Holly (a senior at Mercer Island High School). While it may not be ideal, there is at least some experience in the personnel side there, even if it is related to pro personnel and not any sort of scouting type experience. I don't love it, but definitely far prefer it to Khan's resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Albert Breer @AlbertBreer Hearing the idea of hiring John Idzik intrigues the Jets. Has business sense, and Seahawks have put him on the road to scout of late too. That's kind of nice to hear. It's not an ideal level of experience, but it's certainly better than a guy with absolutely no experience in that department of any kind (Khan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Idzik's bio: While it may not be ideal, there is at least some experience in the personnel side there, even if it is related to pro personnel and not any sort of scouting type experience. I don't love it, but definitely far prefer it to Khan's resume. Thanks for posting-he has a wide range of experience in different football operations. Scouting talent-you need a good scouting staff no matter what to filter out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Thanks for posting-he has a wide range of experience in different football operations. Scouting talent-you need a good scouting staff no matter what to filter out Think ulitmately the Jets will regret passing on Gamble and Ross. What ever; this is the hand we've been dealt within the confines of being stuck with Richie Rich and Wrecks. Clearly Idzik would be the best of the 3. Not ideal, but if we're gonna make the best of it, the Jets need someone who is a. an adult and b. familiar and involved in talent evaluation. DOn't know why but reminds me a bit of Knicks GM Glen Grunwald; a football lifer who may be ready for the big job. Notice his daughter is a senior in HS; he's ready to work since there will be no kids at home next fall. If the Jets go with either of the other 2 cap children, let the fecal storm commence in earnest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I'm with all of you guys on this one.. Idzik will make me the least suicidal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I'm just about ready to go full T0mShane on this franchise. It really is the only way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Angelo being off the list is the only positive in this article. If those three guys are really the finalists, I'm just about ready to go full T0mShane on this franchise. Glad they're finally getting this sh*t wrapped up, even if I'm not necessarily in love with the candidates. If it's between Khan and Idzik, I'd definitely far prefer Idzik as the hire, as he has experience on all sides, including personnel matters, which I think is a huge plus and obviously needs to be priority #1 for this team. Khan's experience is nothing but 100% on the business side, and while that has it's place on an NFL staff, it's not as GM. I knew these would be typical responses because its JN, but I laugh in your faces as if you actually know if these candidates would be good hires or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 What concerns me the most is Woody hired some tube steak either last year or a two years back to be the team president(Neil Glat I believe) from the NFL office, one of Goodells cronies I assume...now seeing the direction they're going in with the GM(profit not personnel) it really makes me wonder what Woody's true intentions are with this franchise... You need a personnel guy making the ultimate decision with a cap guy in the background letting him know the ramifications long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I knew these would be typical responses because its JN, but I laugh in your faces as if you actually know if these candidates would be good hires or not. So that means people aren't allowed to have their preferences of a hire? By that logic, we might as well just shut JN down, since clearly us silly fans have no place to have any opinions on this crazy super-complicated football world. Why don't you go back over to the mafia forum before you hurt yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I knew these would be typical responses because its JN, but I laugh in your faces as if you actually know if these candidates would be good hires or not. I'm highly confident that hiring from within, or bringing in a business side guy from the outside, would be bad hires. GM needs to be able to do talent evaluation on his own. Otherwise, he's not making his own decisions, he's letting his underlings do it. I'd rather the underlings handle the business side of things. Plenty of qualified accountants out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Everybody hates Angelo, but he was essentially 9-7 over a 10 year period in Chi with a SB appearance. And he has personnel experience which is an absolute must. I realize that these guys can hire a cap specialist or a personnel guy as their assistants, but we do not know who those guys will be. I don't necessarily want Angelo, but I am certain the Jets drove away better guys with their decision on Rex. And the Rex decision will have an even longer lasting effect. What coordinator comes here knowing Rex may be gone after one year? They are not coming for one year to a team with an offensive foundation like this one. Whatever happens next season will not land them an HC position somehwere else. Are the Jets foolish enough to offer multi year contracts to coordinators that their next coach may want them to pay off? Or does the next coach have to accept coordinators like this G.M. has to accept a head coach? It just shows how much of a snafu keeping Rex created. I want someone who is a personnel guy first. He can always get a cap nerd. No way a cap nerd should run a football organization. Get Gamble back. Tell him after this year he has total coach control. From day one he can get any players he wants. This year he is bulletproof anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 It really is the only way. It's the easy way. If it happens, I hope to be back to naively optimistic before too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 For whatever reason, all of these good teams that are still playing with all of this talent....dont seem to have cap issues. And they all have football guys making the decisions. Then again, they have owners that are concerned with winning football games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets2013 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 http://www.cbssports...ire-by-thursday The New York Jets plan to name a new general manager by Thursday, according to league sources, with finalists wrapping up their interviews Wednesday. The Jets have identified at least three finalists for the GM opening, and have already conducted second interviews with at least two candidates. Steelers executive Omar Khan has interviewed with them and Seahawks exec John Idzik flew in from Seattle on Tuesday and is meeting with team officials Wednesday. The Jets' assistant general manager, Scott Cohen, is also under consideration, sources said. While there were reports of former Bears GM Jerry Angelo being a finalist, sources said he was not contacted about a second interview. Also, although there have been reports that Giants scouting director Marc Ross pulled out of consideration, league sources said he was not in fact a finalist, anyway. The Jets are replacing long-time GM Mike Tannenbaum, and are focused on ways to rectify the cap crunch they are facing and determining how to navigate a handful of awful contracts bloating the payroll. The team also must improve its scouting and talent evaluation. Idzik and Khan are experts in salary-cap and contract matters, and, sources said, if the Jets went outside the organization for this hire there would likely be sweeping changes coming to the front office. The Jets made it clear to candidates that coach Rex Ryan will stay for 2013, but that coaching changes are in play beyond that season if necessary. The team has also been interviewing coaches trying to fill the many vacancies on that staff and trying to have personnel matters resolved before the Senior Bowl kicks off next week. They should've had it done already...Senior Bowl week? Thats nice. What about the East West Shrine week? Thats where some of the best value picks come from actually. Dumb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 So that means people aren't allowed to have their preferences of a hire? By that logic, we might as well just shut JN down, since clearly us silly fans have no place to have any opinions on this crazy super-complicated football world. Why don't you go back over to the mafia forum before you hurt yourself. Ofcourse you can have an opinion. But acting like you know anything about these candidate who you've never heard of before a week ago and determining their success rate is kind of silly, IMO. I'm highly confident that hiring from within, or bringing in a business side guy from the outside, would be bad hires. GM needs to be able to do talent evaluation on his own. Otherwise, he's not making his own decisions, he's letting his underlings do it. I'd rather the underlings handle the business side of things. Plenty of qualified accountants out there. We know nothing about these guys. Thats my point. Kahn is a contract/cap guy for the Steelers, does that mean he cant evaluate? I dont know and neither do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 So the Jets are basically hiring the Assistant To The Traveling Secretary as our next GM. Just great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 It's the easy way. If it happens, I hope to be back to naively optimistic before too long. Acknowledging the truth about something is, indeed, easier than efforting to construct a framework of denial around it. Woody is a boob and he does boob things. Truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Its great to hear the hiring is by Thursday. Did they say Thursday of which week ? Glad ANgelo has been booted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 We know nothing about these guys. Thats my point. Kahn is a contract/cap guy for the Steelers, does that mean he cant evaluate? I dont know and neither do you. Jets should be hiring people whose strength is personnel, not guys who might dabble in it on the side. All the problems on the Jets stem from having a weak GM incapable of making personnel decisions on his own. It's why Tanny traded up for hot prospects, and overpaid for free agents. He can't find the diamond in the rough, or even take into account that if they miss out on prospect A, prospects B or C really aren't bad options. Overpaying and trading picks left the Jets cap structure top heavy with underachievers, and completely devoid of depth. All because of an inability to spot talent. If nothing else, the Jets should recognize the problem. If these are the finalists, then Woody and his head hunting firm have failed, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Jets should be hiring people whose strength is personnel, not guys who might dabble in it on the side. All the problems on the Jets stem from having a weak GM incapable of making personnel decisions on his own. It's why Tanny traded up for hot prospects, and overpaid for free agents. He can't find the diamond in the rough, or even take into account that if they miss out on prospect A, prospects B or C really aren't bad options. Overpaying and trading picks left the Jets cap structure top heavy with underachievers, and completely devoid of depth. All because of an inability to spot talent. If nothing else, the Jets should recognize the problem. If these are the finalists, then Woody and his head hunting firm have failed, IMHO. So Tanny's flaws are eveyone else's flaws with a similar background? I think thats very assumptive considering you really dont know the first thing about the guys they are targeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Ofcourse you can have an opinion. But acting like you know anything about these candidate who you've never heard of before a week ago and determining their success rate is kind of silly, IMO. We know nothing about these guys. Thats my point. Kahn is a contract/cap guy for the Steelers, does that mean he cant evaluate? I dont know and neither do you. Forgetting even just the NFL for a moment, I'm not sure it's such a crazy concept to think when someone is hired for any job (particularly a high level one), their resume should include at least some sort of experience in the area that will ultimately be the single most important part of that job. Of course there's no guarantee about how good or bad any of these guys will be at the job, but there never is in any hiring process. The point is trying to identify who seems the most likely to be successful and in this case, given the respective resumes, I happen to have my own opinions on that. It's bad business to count on someone being able to "pick up" one of the most complicated aspects of their job when they have no experience in it, while it is also typically an area in which many spend years and years climbing up the professional ladder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 So Tanny's flaws are eveyone else's flaws with a similar background? I think thats very assumptive considering you really dont know the first thing about the guys they are targeting. Yes. If the GM is incapable of evaluating talent on his own, then he's left to rely on people under him to make decisions for which he's responsible. This is a terrible model in any field. If you've ever worked for a boss who was brought in from another department that knows jack sh*t about yours, you know what I mean. The GM's primary job is acquiring talent, that should be his #1 qualification. If Khan has some guy that he and the Jets feel they can rely on for personnel decisions, I'd hire that guy as the new GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 So Tanny's flaws are eveyone else's flaws with a similar background? I think thats very assumptive considering you really dont know the first thing about the guys they are targeting. If you didn't comment on all the things you don't know about, you'd be nearly mute except when it came to the topic of watching one's suburban basketball team get dunked on repeatedly by Vince Carter. Woody Johnson has been exposed to only one way of doing business in the NFL, and that was through watching Tannenbaum dicker with agents over the phone. It's all Woody knows about what a GM does. The hope we had in Tannenbaum's firing was that Woody saw the great failing in this method of management. If (when) he hires another cap guy, it will be proof-positive that Woody, indeed, has learned nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 If Idzik is the guy- what am i missing he has lot more football operations responsibilities in his career than just cap stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Maybe I just don't know enough about Idzik. I just want a guy whose strength is personnel, and hires a nerd to do his contracts. We've done it the other way for a number of years now, and it hasn't worked. Dont forget,,Khan or Idzik could know the nerdy lower level personell experts in seattle or Pitts and bring them with them, aka Moneyball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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