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[slats]

It really is the only way.

It's the easy way. If it happens, I hope to be back to naively optimistic before too long.

[Matt39]

For whatever reason, all of these good teams that are still playing with all of this talent....dont seem to have cap issues. And they all have football guys making the decisions.

Then again, they have owners that are concerned with winning football games.

[Jets2013]

http://www.cbssports...ire-by-thursday


The New York Jets plan to name a new general manager by Thursday, according to league sources, with finalists wrapping up their interviews Wednesday.

The Jets have identified at least three finalists for the GM opening, and have already conducted second interviews with at least two candidates.

Steelers executive Omar Khan has interviewed with them and Seahawks exec John Idzik flew in from Seattle on Tuesday and is meeting with team officials Wednesday. The Jets' assistant general manager, Scott Cohen, is also under consideration, sources said.
While there were reports of former Bears GM Jerry Angelo being a finalist, sources said he was not contacted about a second interview. Also, although there have been reports that Giants scouting director Marc Ross pulled out of consideration, league sources said he was not in fact a finalist, anyway.

The Jets are replacing long-time GM Mike Tannenbaum, and are focused on ways to rectify the cap crunch they are facing and determining how to navigate a handful of awful contracts bloating the payroll. The team also must improve its scouting and talent evaluation.

Idzik and Khan are experts in salary-cap and contract matters, and, sources said, if the Jets went outside the organization for this hire there would likely be sweeping changes coming to the front office.

The Jets made it clear to candidates that coach Rex Ryan will stay for 2013, but that coaching changes are in play beyond that season if necessary. The team has also been interviewing coaches trying to fill the many vacancies on that staff and trying to have personnel matters resolved before the Senior Bowl kicks off next week.

They should've had it done already...Senior Bowl week? Thats nice. What about the East West Shrine week? Thats where some of the best value picks come from actually. Dumb

[JiF]

So that means people aren't allowed to have their preferences of a hire? By that logic, we might as well just shut JN down, since clearly us silly fans have no place to have any opinions on this crazy super-complicated football world. Why don't you go back over to the mafia forum before you hurt yourself.

Ofcourse you can have an opinion. But acting like you know anything about these candidate who you've never heard of before a week ago and determining their success rate is kind of silly, IMO.

I'm highly confident that hiring from within, or bringing in a business side guy from the outside, would be bad hires.

GM needs to be able to do talent evaluation on his own. Otherwise, he's not making his own decisions, he's letting his underlings do it. I'd rather the underlings handle the business side of things. Plenty of qualified accountants out there.

We know nothing about these guys. Thats my point. Kahn is a contract/cap guy for the Steelers, does that mean he cant evaluate? I dont know and neither do you.

[Il Mostro]

So the Jets are basically hiring the Assistant To The Traveling Secretary as our next GM. Just great.

[T0mShane]

It's the easy way. If it happens, I hope to be back to naively optimistic before too long.

Acknowledging the truth about something is, indeed, easier than efforting to construct a framework of denial around it.

Woody is a boob and he does boob things. Truth.

Edited by T0mShane, 16 January 2013 - 11:01 AM.

[JetsFanInDenver]

Its great to hear the hiring is by Thursday. Did they say Thursday of which week ?


Glad ANgelo has been booted out.

Edited by JetsFanInDenver, 16 January 2013 - 11:02 AM.

[slats]

We know nothing about these guys. Thats my point. Kahn is a contract/cap guy for the Steelers, does that mean he cant evaluate? I dont know and neither do you.

Jets should be hiring people whose strength is personnel, not guys who might dabble in it on the side.

All the problems on the Jets stem from having a weak GM incapable of making personnel decisions on his own. It's why Tanny traded up for hot prospects, and overpaid for free agents. He can't find the diamond in the rough, or even take into account that if they miss out on prospect A, prospects B or C really aren't bad options. Overpaying and trading picks left the Jets cap structure top heavy with underachievers, and completely devoid of depth. All because of an inability to spot talent.

If nothing else, the Jets should recognize the problem. If these are the finalists, then Woody and his head hunting firm have failed, IMHO.

[JiF]

Jets should be hiring people whose strength is personnel, not guys who might dabble in it on the side.

All the problems on the Jets stem from having a weak GM incapable of making personnel decisions on his own. It's why Tanny traded up for hot prospects, and overpaid for free agents. He can't find the diamond in the rough, or even take into account that if they miss out on prospect A, prospects B or C really aren't bad options. Overpaying and trading picks left the Jets cap structure top heavy with underachievers, and completely devoid of depth. All because of an inability to spot talent.

If nothing else, the Jets should recognize the problem. If these are the finalists, then Woody and his head hunting firm have failed, IMHO.

So Tanny's flaws are eveyone else's flaws with a similar background? I think thats very assumptive considering you really dont know the first thing about the guys they are targeting.

[Bleedin Green]

Ofcourse you can have an opinion. But acting like you know anything about these candidate who you've never heard of before a week ago and determining their success rate is kind of silly, IMO.



We know nothing about these guys. Thats my point. Kahn is a contract/cap guy for the Steelers, does that mean he cant evaluate? I dont know and neither do you.

Forgetting even just the NFL for a moment, I'm not sure it's such a crazy concept to think when someone is hired for any job (particularly a high level one), their resume should include at least some sort of experience in the area that will ultimately be the single most important part of that job. Of course there's no guarantee about how good or bad any of these guys will be at the job, but there never is in any hiring process. The point is trying to identify who seems the most likely to be successful and in this case, given the respective resumes, I happen to have my own opinions on that. It's bad business to count on someone being able to "pick up" one of the most complicated aspects of their job when they have no experience in it, while it is also typically an area in which many spend years and years climbing up the professional ladder.

[slats]

So Tanny's flaws are eveyone else's flaws with a similar background? I think thats very assumptive considering you really dont know the first thing about the guys they are targeting.

Yes.

If the GM is incapable of evaluating talent on his own, then he's left to rely on people under him to make decisions for which he's responsible. This is a terrible model in any field. If you've ever worked for a boss who was brought in from another department that knows jack sh*t about yours, you know what I mean. The GM's primary job is acquiring talent, that should be his #1 qualification.

If Khan has some guy that he and the Jets feel they can rely on for personnel decisions, I'd hire that guy as the new GM.

[T0mShane]

So Tanny's flaws are eveyone else's flaws with a similar background? I think thats very assumptive considering you really dont know the first thing about the guys they are targeting.

If you didn't comment on all the things you don't know about, you'd be nearly mute except when it came to the topic of watching one's suburban basketball team get dunked on repeatedly by Vince Carter.

Woody Johnson has been exposed to only one way of doing business in the NFL, and that was through watching Tannenbaum dicker with agents over the phone. It's all Woody knows about what a GM does. The hope we had in Tannenbaum's firing was that Woody saw the great failing in this method of management. If (when) he hires another cap guy, it will be proof-positive that Woody, indeed, has learned nothing.

[faba]

If Idzik is the guy- what am i missing he has lot more football operations responsibilities in his career than just cap stuff.

[JetNation]

Jason La Canfora is reporting on CBS Sports that the New York Jets will hire their GM by Thursday.

Steelers executive Omar Khan has interviewed with them and Seahawks exec John Idzik flew in from Seattle on Tuesday and is meeting with team officials Wednesday. The Jets’ assistant general manager, Scott Cohen, is also under consideration, sources said.

While there were reports of former Bears GM Jerry Angelo being a finalist, sources said he was not contacted about a second interview. Also, although there have been reports that Giants scouting director Marc Ross pulled out of consideration, league sources said he was not in fact a finalist, anyway.

The original list of candidates for the Jets GM position was much longer, the Jets have reportedly completed the first round of interviews without Rex Ryan being involved. Although as Woody Johnson has stated, Rex Ryan’s job is safe for this season.

The Jets made it clear to candidates that coach Rex Ryan will stay for 2013, but that coaching changes are in play beyond that season if necessary. The team has also been interviewing coaches trying to fill the many vacancies on that staff and trying to have personnel matters resolved before the Senior Bowl kicks off next week.

They will have to act fast to replenish their coaching staff after all the recent changes.  Here is a recap of all the recent NY Jets coaching changes.  You can read more on our New York Jets message board.

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[SouthernJet]

Maybe I just don't know enough about Idzik. I just want a guy whose strength is personnel, and hires a nerd to do his contracts. We've done it the other way for a number of years now, and it hasn't worked.

Dont forget,,Khan or Idzik could know the nerdy lower level personell experts in seattle or Pitts and bring them with them, aka Moneyball

[bitonti]

. If (when) he hires another cap guy, it will be proof-positive that Woody, indeed, has learned nothing.

if only Dave Caldwell had taken that 1 million dollar housing allowance, and hired Brian Schottenheimer to HC. that would have been awesome.

[SouthernJet]

Hiring Khan could be a hidden play for Cowher in 2014

[kelly]

It really is the only way.

[T0mShane]

if only Dave Caldwell had taken that 1 million dollar housing allowance, and hired Brian Schottenheimer to HC. that would have been awesome.

Except they're hiring Greg Roman and drafting Geno Smith, which, with MJD, could be fun.

[SMC]

If Idzik is the guy- what am i missing he has lot more football operations responsibilities in his career than just cap stuff.

Yes. It's poor reporting to call Idzik a "cap guy."

He's much more than that based on his bio and the articles on him.

The problem under Tanny and Rex is that Tanny has no personnel experience so he relied on Rex who has a skewed view of making up a roster and has no clue how to objectively judge talent because he sees everything through a defensive prism and thinks he can coach anybody.