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[Ignatius del Sol]

If that's the plan - to do nothing with regards to Revis past the immediate season

I don't understand why this prospect so terrifies everyone. Even if you assume we have to keep him the odds are pretty good that we get a better deal by letting him hit free agency than by letting him make the market again. Nothing good is going to happen fast because Revis is counting on the Jets to panic.

[Sperm Edwards]

I don't understand why this prospect so terrifies everyone. Even if you assume we have to keep him the odds are pretty good that we get a better deal by letting him hit free agency than by letting him make the market again. Nothing good is going to happen fast because Revis is counting on the Jets to panic.

This prospect leaves us with nothing for a valuable commodity is why it terrifies everyone.

If we do nothing, then the only way we don't end up empty-handed is outbidding 31 other teams for his services.

How do you figure we get a better deal by letting him hit free agency? I realize the potential is there for no one else to be interested in him at >$12M/year - like when we let Braylon Edwards hit FA - but Revis is an all-time great still in his 20s, and Edwards spent the overwhelming bulk of his pro career underachieving (in between being a general putzhead). It is possible, but it isn't likely that no one will put up big bucks for Revis. All it takes is one team and we get nothing.

The sure thing is to move him.

Making a fast move isn't always panicking. Often it's just being decisive. I would agree it's a panic move if we accept a late 2nd for him. I also think the chances of that happening are remote.

[#27TheDominator]

This prospect leaves us with nothing for a valuable commodity is why it terrifies everyone.

If we do nothing, then the only way we don't end up empty-handed is outbidding 31 other teams for his services.

How do you figure we get a better deal by letting him hit free agency? I realize the potential is there for no one else to be interested in him at >$12M/year - like when we let Braylon Edwards hit FA - but Revis is an all-time great still in his 20s, and Edwards spent the overwhelming bulk of his pro career underachieving (in between being a general putzhead). It is possible, but it isn't likely that no one will put up big bucks for Revis. All it takes is one team and we get nothing.

The sure thing is to move him.

Making a fast move isn't always panicking. Often it's just being decisive. I would agree it's a panic move if we accept a late 2nd for him. I also think the chances of that happening are remote.

I'm with del sol. It's not that I think we should avoid moving him, but I think he's right. People are so scared of having him play the year and leave. What's the big ****ing deal? That isn't going to be some kind of huge setbackf for the team. He's a valuable commodity, but if we aren't going to get value for him, then **** it.

I also love how the team supposedly has to make the playoffs for Rex to stay, but we are also supposed to trade away Revis and Cromartie, for 2014 picks no less. We are also supposed to take our cap lumps on everybody we can this year, but then WE HAVE TO FIRE REX if we don't make the playoffs. That's moronic. I understand the guys that just hate him, but he can do a good job without making the playoffs this year, depending on what the makeup of the team is and what assets they have to burn for 2014.

[T0mShane]

Losing Revis and getting a 1st back is better than losing Revis and getting a 3rd round comp, no?

[slats]

I'm with del sol. It's not that I think we should avoid moving him, but I think he's right. People are so scared of having him play the year and leave. What's the big ****ing deal? That isn't going to be some kind of huge setbackf for the team. He's a valuable commodity, but if we aren't going to get value for him, then **** it.

Have to either extend him or trade him. No middle ground. If they're interested in keeping him, they should open negotiations right away. At the same time, they should be fielding offers. If they can't get a deal done before the draft, they should move him. No point in having a semi-gimpy HoF'er for one year on a team that's unlikely to go anywhere.

As Sperm said, even the 3rd round comp pick (@ #100 overall) isn't guaranteed if he signs elsewhere. The Jets will have a lot of cap room themselves in 2014, and could easily buy the big ticket item that would wipe out the comp pick for Revis.

I also love how the team supposedly has to make the playoffs for Rex to stay, but we are also supposed to trade away Revis and Cromartie, for 2014 picks no less. We are also supposed to take our cap lumps on everybody we can this year, but then WE HAVE TO FIRE REX if we don't make the playoffs. That's moronic. I understand the guys that just hate him, but he can do a good job without making the playoffs this year, depending on what the makeup of the team is and what assets they have to burn for 2014.

I agree 100% with the rest of this post, though.

[bitonti]

Losing Revis and getting a 1st back is better than losing Revis and getting a 3rd round comp, no?

yes but neither is as good as keeping Revis.

[#27TheDominator]

Losing Revis and getting a 1st back is better than losing Revis and getting a 3rd round comp, no?

Have to either extend him or trade him. No middle ground. If they're interested in keeping him, they should open negotiations right away. At the same time, they should be fielding offers. If they can't get a deal done before the draft, they should move him. No point in having a semi-gimpy HoF'er for one year on a team that's unlikely to go anywhere.

As Sperm said, even the 3rd round comp pick (@ #100 overall) isn't guaranteed if he signs elsewhere. The Jets will have a lot of cap room themselves in 2014, and could easily buy the big ticket item that would wipe out the comp pick for Revis.

It's not that I don't think they should trade him, it's that I think we may not get any good offers. I think we should field offers and prepare to keep him. First of all, that's just good business sense. Don't let teams think they can force our hand.

I can pretty much see where we are heading. We don't get any decent offers (at best like Abraham where we insisted on a 1st and ended up with the last pick in the round). We keep Revis and the board is full of guys claiming that we ****ed up for not getting 2 firsts and a third and telling us we could have drafted ______________(fill in blank with players selected in the 3rd round and later that in hindsight are quality starters).

[Joe Jets fan]

as for this mock, need much more help at WR.

If this team does not draft offense in the first round I will lose it. Can trade back or draft a OL but it had better address the O first.

[Ignatius del Sol]

This prospect leaves us with nothing for a valuable commodity is why it terrifies everyone.

Revis is not the commodity. The commodity is the exclusive right to give Revis a hundred million dollars to lock him up before he can test free agency. It's not a subtle distinction.

[T0mShane]

yes but neither is as good as keeping Revis.

Idzik's life mission right now has to be finding an A+/A- quarterback. If trading Revis gives him a few extra draft picks with which to do it, along with gaining them a higher draft pick (assuming Revis is worth ~two wins), then he should do so, IMO. No reason to tread water while paying Revis his money.

[Ignatius del Sol]

(assuming Revis is worth ~two wins)

It's hard to figure out what a player is worth in terms of marginal wins, but not so hard that it can't be said with mortal certainty that Revis is not worth anywhere close to two wins.

[LAD_Brooklyn]

Cromartie would fetch a minimum 2nd rounder, and one in the top-half of the 2nd at that. This isn't homerism talking; there are teams - true 2013-2014 contenders - who would cream over getting a corner like him for a mid-2nd rounder or low 1st. He's a better CB than he was when we re-signed him as a consolation prize to Asomugha, is in his prime still, and under contract for 2 more years that could probably be easily extended by 1-2 years if the new team so desired. He's an instant upgrade to the team's best corner on any team that puts him on a man instead of wasting his talents in a zone defense like SD did.

I disagree with a team giving up a top 40 prospect slot (early second rounder) for Cro along with pay him $9 mil in salary. As for Cro there's not many teams that bump and run like us. He will get killed in a zone coverage defense so the suitor strink when you factor in salary, style and giving up a high draft pick.

I'm for moving him or Revis (both if and only if offers come in that simply can't be passed on). For a 3rd rounder I'd keep him for 2 years at $10M/year.

It would be easier if you had your own mock so I can see your thought process but going from this you'll hardly have enough money to sign other free agents better yet your own if you were to keep Cro over taking a second or a third for him. What would be your solution of freeing up cap space for our cap strap team?

Speaking of Revis, the decision with regards to him is probably the biggest one of the offseason and it's unaddressed in the plan. I don't see an extension in these plans. If that's the plan - to do nothing with regards to Revis past the immediate season - then you trade Revis, not Cromartie. This plan calls for us to be rid of both Revis and Cromartie for 2014 and beyond, and all we'd have to show for the purge is a 2013 3rd rounder and a 2015 compensatory 3rd rounder that disappears if we sign a premiere UFA in 2014.

Kind of a hard critic hear in regards to wanting a detailed mock lol. If I had the time I would and reading over the post you would see that I address that. Just read over my post.

But it's a lot easier to pick at a plan than come up with one's own.

Should have listen to your own advise as this off-season will be a tough one.

[LAD_Brooklyn]

It's looking like Lane Johnson is going to be a mid first rounder.

I see him projeted as a second. Someone mentioned 3rd in the thread and you said 1st but I see him as an early mid -2nd.

as for this mock, need much more help at WR.

If this team does not draft offense in the first round I will lose it. Can trade back or draft a OL but it had better address the O first.

We are for sure going into the season with question at some position as we can't fix everything. WR in this situation happen to be the position although I had us signing Gibson (Rams) who is similar to Kerley production wise but not a big play guy and has consistency issues. Even a guy of his caliber we may not be able to afford. Also notice I left out the bottom 3 round. Maybe you can add that to the mock with us picking up a developmental WR.

[LAD_Brooklyn]

As for Revis I want two1st and two thirds like the Chiefs got for Jared Allen who was less proven at the time then he is now. I would drop it to two 1st and one 3rd but would take nothing less. How long we have? Till the trade dea line of next year. Who know by then he'll probably can display he's back to full form. But of course I would want to negotiate with him before trading him as I want him to be a Jets for as long as possible.

[Il Mostro]

All we need is two teams to be hot for Revis. The Cowboys are sure to be in play -- this is just the kind of acquisition that gives Jerry a hard on. There is no way there is not at least one other team that feels the same way. Also, contending teams are the only ones that benefit from getting and paying Revis, so the 1st rounder(s) are probably late picks (unless a pick received from another team is available) -- multiple picks will be necessary to create reasonable value. Very unlikely that an almost certain trade bidding war leave the Jets coming up short. It's something that really cannot be #$%ed up.

[Sperm Edwards]

Revis is not the commodity. The commodity is the exclusive right to give Revis a hundred million dollars to lock him up before he can test free agency. It's not a subtle distinction.

Subtle or not, it is a distinction without a difference. No one can sign him long-term until they have his rights, which we are able to sell.

You can make a distinction as to whether Revis is locked up or Revis is not locked up, but he has trade value either way. He doesn't have the same trade value either way, but either way, Revis is a commodity that can be traded. In other words, he would have value A as an under-contract player if he was already locked up long-term, and he has value B as a player with 1 year left with the right to lock him up long-term. Revis has value B right now. The team that trades for him will likely already have a deal worked out with him so no one is trading for him to just get the rights to do something or not do something with him later, particularly since he can't be franchise tagged (like Al Davis did with Seymour).

We should either extend him (if a reasonable deal can be worked out) or trade him this offseason. It appears that is what is going to happen. The worst thing possible is to just hold onto him for one more inconsequential season and which then leaves us with (a) nothing, or (b) the need to outbid every other NFL team to re-sign him in March of 2014.

[Maxman]

Losing Revis and getting a 1st back is better than losing Revis and getting a 3rd round comp, no?

Depends. We haven't seen Idzik draft yet, lol.

[The Crusher]

Idzik's life mission right now has to be finding an A+/A- quarterback. If trading Revis gives him a few extra draft picks with which to do it, along with gaining them a higher draft pick (assuming Revis is worth ~two wins), then he should do so, IMO. No reason to tread water while paying Revis his money.

Agreed. I would trade Revis straight up for Luck right now.

[The Crusher]

Depends. We haven't seen Idzik draft yet, lol.

I can feel it.

[Maxman]

Here is my offseason. Settle on what you are doing with Revis. And by settle on it I mean make plans to keep him a Jet forever. Call me old fashioned but I don't like trading hall of famers for the unknown. So either sign him know or make sure you can do so later in the season so he doesn't walk.

Keep Cromartie.

ReSign Landry.

Talk to Sanchez nicely and tell him that it isn't good that he turns the ball over 2 times for every TD he throws. Get him to agree that this is bad. Also get him to assure you that he will stop.

Resign Braylon.

Address offense in every round of the draft, other than when you have a linebacker in front of you that can start next season.

Guys -- I am really glad I can help. Since I just pretty much solved all the Jets problems, I feel like we should just lock this thread down. I will leave it open so you all can comment on my greatness.