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if Tannehill was in this draft he'd be the #1 QB. if Ponder was in this draft, he'd be the #1 QB. that's how bad this draft is for QB's. There isn't a Jake Locker or Blaine Gabbert in this draft.

Geno Smith was absolutely atrocious down the stretch, and saying he was trying to do too much is not an excuse for taking a guy in the top 10 or god forbid 1 overall.

I said he's like Sanchez, that actually isn't fair to the career Sanchez had. At no point at USC did Mark look as bad as Geno in the bowl game against Syracuse. I don't have any particular hopes for this draft, aside from the Jets passing on all these terrible QB's this year. Yes they need a guy. BUt these aren't the droids you're looking for.

Comparing him to Sanchez makes no sense. Geno has much more college experience than Sanchez. Geno completed 71% of his passes his last year in college and 65% the year before while Sanchez completed 65% in his only full year and was throwing to wide open NFL receivers to do it. Geno threw for 8500+ yards his last two years while Sanchez threw for just over 3,000 in his lone full season. Geno threw for 42 TD's this past year with only 6 int's while Sanchez led a juggernaut offense and managed 34 TD's against 10 picks.

Let's not forget that Geno played a pretty stiff Big 12 conference schedule this past year with games against Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Kansas State where his team was the underdog in every one of those games and he played very well in most of them. And as for his production in the bowl game, it was snowing in that game, played on a baseball field whose turf was in awful shape and he still outplayed Nassib by throwing for 200+ yards and 2 TD's. I don't think Geno is your traditional top QB in a draft, but I would draft him every day of the week over Christian Ponder.

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And as for his production in the bowl game, it was snowing in that game

well then by all means let's draft him to play QB in the AFC East.

my sanchez comparison was based partly on his aversion to snow, partly on his inaccuracy under pressure, and making bad decisions. Yes he had a great game against Baylor which is an absolute joke of a college defense. against good defenses he folded.

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well then by all means let's draft him to play QB in the AFC East.

my sanchez comparison was based partly on his aversion to snow, partly on his inaccuracy under pressure, and making bad decisions. Yes he had a great game against Baylor which is an absolute joke of a college defense. against good defenses he folded.

Then he must of made hay against the few weak teams on his schedule because his final numbers are epic. That last statement was sarcasm because I watched all of his marquee match ups this year against Big 12 schools and he played well in all except the Kansas State game. He flat out willed his team to a win over the Sooners in what appears as one of his worst statistical games of the year. We rationalize the level of teammate assistance with guys like Tyler Wilson and Mike Glennon and then expect Geno to be Andrew Luck without having Luck's supporting cast. Geno had a great season with very few clunkers. The guy threw over 500 passes and was intercepted 6 times for crying out loud.

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Geno had a great season with very few clunkers. The guy threw over 500 passes and was intercepted 6 times for crying out loud.

he's a good prospect. He's not a great prospect. I have no problem with Geno in top half of rd 2. Anyone who sh*ts the bed in the bowl game is not a franchise saver.

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Plenty of QBs have had horrid bowl games, and go in to be productive NFL qb's. That is a horrible criteria

just curious please give an example of QBs that bombed their bowl games and went on to be high first rounders (where the Jets pick or above).

either way you don't draft a productive QB at 9. that's supposed to be a franchise QB.

If they want to trade back into the round and get Geno late 1 that's probably ok. we are talking about elite picks here.

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just curious please give an example of QBs that bombed their bowl games and went on to be high first rounders (where the Jets pick or above).

either way you don't draft a productive QB at 9. that's supposed to be a franchise QB.

If they want to trade back into the round and get Geno late 1 that's probably ok. we are talking about elite picks here.

Without even thinking, or doing a search, Vinny Testaverde threw FIVE Interceptions in the championship game, and was a top pick.

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What was your opinion of Russell Wilson last year?

honestly I was way off. Saw him at the Senior Bowl practices, saw he was 5'10" and thought, well that's that. Good player but too short. that was my dime store opinion on Russell Wilson.

i remember talking to another draftnik and saying if Wilson was 6'4" he'd be a top 5 pick. But instead I called him a better version of Chris Leak.

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honestly I was way off. Saw him at the Senior Bowl practices, saw he was 5'10" and thought, well that's that. Good player but too short. that was my dime store opinion on Russell Wilson.

i remember talking to another draftnik and saying if Wilson was 6'4" he'd be a top 5 pick. But instead I called him a better version of Chris Leak.

Draftniks are the scurge of the sport-no offense.

They have taken what should be a clinical study of players and evaluation into a "must run with the herd" mentality.

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honestly I was way off. Saw him at the Senior Bowl practices, saw he was 5'10" and thought, well that's that. Good player but too short. that was my dime store opinion on Russell Wilson.

i remember talking to another draftnik and saying if Wilson was 6'4" he'd be a top 5 pick. But instead I called him a better version of Chris Leak.

Speaking of any of these guys definitively is dangerous business, bit. Draft people spend every spring telling us why QB Prospect X secretly sucks, then spend the next ten years pretending they never said it. Hell, Phil Simms was telling us nine months ago that Andrew Luck wasn't that good.

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to be clear I was the guy saying Wilson would be a top 5 at 6'4" the other guy was just listening.

by the way the Geno Smith discussion is the key to the whole first round and logically he's not really an option for the Jets.

If he's worth the 9 pick he's worth the 8 to Buf or 7 pick to AZ and why not KC at 1. He either goes 1 overall or in the twenties via a trade back into the round. I don't see a middle ground for this prospect, because there is no luck. He can't be a tannehill or locker type of pick he either is a 1 pick or he drops. Most mock drafts have him going 1.

We could have a lively discussion about Matt Barkley if you'd like. :)

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to be clear I was the guy saying Wilson would be a top 5 at 6'4" the other guy was just listening.

by the way the Geno Smith discussion is the key to the whole first round and logically he's not really an option for the Jets.

If he's worth the 9 pick he's worth the 8 to Buf or 7 pick to AZ and why not KC at 1. He either goes 1 overall or in the twenties via a trade back into the round. I don't see a middle ground for this prospect, because there is no luck. He can't be a tannehill or locker type of pick he either is a 1 pick or he drops. Most mock drafts have him going 1.

We could have a lively discussion about Matt Barkley if you'd like. :)

pretty much everybody including Mayock every other minute was saying Wilson was a top 5 pick if he was 6'4. So.... Edited by HessStation

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to be clear I was the guy saying Wilson would be a top 5 at 6'4" the other guy was just listening.

by the way the Geno Smith discussion is the key to the whole first round and logically he's not really an option for the Jets.

If he's worth the 9 pick he's worth the 8 to Buf or 7 pick to AZ and why not KC at 1. He either goes 1 overall or in the twenties via a trade back into the round. I don't see a middle ground for this prospect, because there is no luck. He can't be a tannehill or locker type of pick he either is a 1 pick or he drops. Most mock drafts have him going 1.

We could have a lively discussion about Matt Barkley if you'd like. :)

I don't get it, why can't Geno be a Tannehill or Locker type? The quarterbacks in this class are so clumped together it wouldn't be shocking to see a quarterback or two get drafted before him, even first overall. Beauty is going to be in the eye of the beholder because a lot of guys have some really positive traits to work with but nobody's perfect. You're not going to find drafts like last year's too often though.

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I don't get it, why can't Geno be a Tannehill or Locker type? The quarterbacks in this class are so clumped together it wouldn't be shocking to see a quarterback or two get drafted before him, even first overall.

right now Geno is the only true first round grade. there are guys who have their champions but Smith is the chalk pick for 1st qb off the board. the question is when that happens. It probably doesn't happen at 9. historically, it happens at 1.

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pretty much everybody including Mayock every other minute was saying Wilson was a top 5 pick if he was 6'4. So....

it is possible for 2 (or more) people to see the same thing and come to the same conclusion. it's also why he was a 3rd round pick.

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right now Geno is the only true first round grade. there are guys who have their champions but Smith is the chalk pick for 1st qb off the board. the question is when that happens. It probably doesn't happen at 9. historically, it happens at 1.

I don't think there's anything remotely close to a consensus on that right now.

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What was your opinion of Russell Wilson last year?

I saw him for 4 years down here. This is NO LIE guys, I sent a email to Jets Front office (who knows if anyone ever got it) .I told them what I saw up close and live over 4 years and said I thought a 3rd or 4th rounder would be worth it on this kid. I said "he just finds a way to make it happen at 5'10" and is Brees-like in that way".

Tanny didnt listen to me, LOL

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Wrong.

 

that's true and I posted a mea culpa on twitter yesterday. He had a good workout. He's alot faster than I expected.

 

Note however that the same day that happens, the Alex Smith deal to KC supposedly gets done. 

 

Like Lavar Burton said on Reading Rainbow you don't have to take my word for it. I don't get a draft pick in April.

 

if Andy Reid let's Brandon Albert walk, you know what he thinks of Geno Smith at 1.

 

I don't have a problem with Geno (except for the bowl game and skipping the senior bowl) I just have a problem with the valuation at 1 overall.  I personally dont buy him in the top 10 but AZ at 7 or BUF at 8 is possible...  he did enough in his workout yesterday to convince someone... 

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that's true and I posted a mea culpa on twitter yesterday. He had a good workout. He's alot faster than I expected.

 

Note however that the same day that happens, the Alex Smith deal to KC supposedly gets done. 

 

Like Lavar Burton said on Reading Rainbow you don't have to take my word for it. I don't get a draft pick in April.

 

if Andy Reid let's Brandon Albert walk, you know what he thinks of Geno Smith at 1.

 

I don't have a problem with Geno (except for the bowl game and skipping the senior bowl) I just have a problem with the valuation at 1 overall.  I personally dont buy him in the top 10 but AZ at 7 or BUF at 8 is possible...  he did enough in his workout yesterday to convince someone... 

 

I still stand by my initial assessment that Geno Smith and Ryan Tannehill are similar prospects which means that considering Smith at number 9 is not a reach.  Smith and Tannehill had similar college numbers, both move well, both need good pro coaching to reach their potential and both have good short range accuracy with the requisite arm strength.

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I still stand by my initial assessment that Geno Smith and Ryan Tannehill are similar prospects which means that considering Smith at number 9 is not a reach.  Smith and Tannehill had similar college numbers, both move well, both need good pro coaching to reach their potential and both have good short range accuracy with the requisite arm strength.

 

Colt McCoy also had similar college numbers. Another scout compared Geno Smith to Akili Smith yesterday. Buyer beware.

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Colt McCoy also had similar college numbers. Another scout compared Geno Smith to Akili Smith yesterday. Buyer beware.

 

Yeah, but we know Colt McCoy had physical limitations in the pros that Geno doesn't have, so that is an awful comparison.  The Akili Smith comparison to me is dumb, too because other than skin color where are the similarities?  Geno Smith has 3 years of starting experience versus Akili's one year.  It just proves there are a lot of yahoos out there.

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the comparison i like to make is Brady Quinn. Both were accomplished college passers who mistakenly believed  they were in the running for 1 overall. Both had up and down college career (moments of greatness, moments of crap) Both threw to legit pro level WR ( smith threw to AUstin and Bailey, Quinn threw to Jeff the Shark Samardzija currently pitching for the cubs) Both skipped the Senior Bowl to minimize exposure. That's the part that irks me is the skipping of the senior bowl. if you are Andrew Luck, fair enough. Geno had questions and refused to answer them.  Ryan Tannehill missed the Senior Bowl with a Broken foot but Geno didn't have an excuse.

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