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Some interesting tweets from Frank Dupont author of NFL gameplan regarding QB's and JN's favorite term- "weapons"

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Matt39    35,845
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I feel like there's a big disconnect between the actual value of QBs and the perceived value of QBs in the league. Could be exploited.

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Feel like you can pretty easily explain Brady's late season fall off by the absence of Gronk. Or Peyton's resurgence by having D. Thomas.

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Peyton Manning wasn't just as good as he had been, he was better this year. How can you explain that? Not arm strength. It was receivers.

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Manning had his best season in terms of AYA since 2005. It's nice to have two young/really big WRs to throw to.

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So basically where I'm going with this is that you could get two really good WRs for $20mm if you're the Ravens (instead of sign Flacco)

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Matt39    35,845

What the **** is this sh*t????

Just read it, friend.

The notion here was Peyton could walk into Florham Park and turn water into wine aka Chaz Schillens into a better player than he was. A huge part of Peyton's success this season was him being surrounded by studs.

Brady wasnt nearly the same passer after Gronk went down either.

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slats    96,058

I knew it. Sanchez is good. Where's Smashmouth? He was right, too.

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CTM    136,139

Throwing to Larry Fitzgerald really did wonders for Arizona QBs.

And Brady's never been good before Gronk...

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Matt39    35,845

Throwing to Larry Fitzgerald really did wonders for Arizona QBs.

Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out.

this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl.

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T0mShane    90,802

Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out.

this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl.

It's chicken or egg, except we know for a fact that you can't win without the QB, ya know? No question a good receiver helps a QB, but it doesn't make or break him.

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bitonti    36,751

a small scale version of this experiment happened when McElroy started against the Chargers. PFF said he got the most time to throw of any QB that week. He was sacked 10x. It isn't all on the QB. a lack of targets definitely hurt the Jets this year.

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T0mShane    90,802

a small scale version of this experiment happened when McElroy started against the Chargers. PFF said he got the most time to throw of any QB that week. He was sacked 10x. It isn't all on the QB. a lack of targets definitely hurt the Jets this year.

Or, it told us that McElroy sucked.

Large scale: Tom Brady's career

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jetsjetsjetss    110

Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out.

this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl.

a ravens team with sanchez is competing for a superbowl though either.

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Matt39    35,845

a ravens team with sanchez is competing for a superbowl though either.

Probably not. But I think this Ravens team has a better supporting cast than the 2009/2010 version of the Jets

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T0mShane    90,802

Probably not. But I think this Ravens team has a better supporting cast than the 2009/2010 version of the Jets

Quarterbacks are like point guards, man. You get a good one, all of a sudden everybody looks better. You get a bad one, everybody sucks.

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SenorGato    13,222

Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out.

this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl.

Other examples of the mid-tier QB carried by Weaponz:

Dalton to Green

Ryan to Jones/White/Gonzalez

Schaub to Johnson

Kapernick to Davis

Flacco to Boldin/Smith/Rice

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Matt39    35,845

Other examples of the mid-tier QB carried by Weaponz:

Dalton to Green

Ryan to Jones/White/Gonzalez

Schaub to Johnson

Kapernick to Davis

Flacco to Boldin/Smith/Rice

are you being sarcastic? Cant tell anymore.

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Matt39    35,845

Quarterbacks are like point guards, man. You get a good one, all of a sudden everybody looks better. You get a bad one, everybody sucks.

No doubt.

Eli is still really good imo....but losing a guy like Nicks instantaneously makes him look pedestrian.

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SenorGato    13,222

are you being sarcastic? Cant tell anymore.

I wasn't sure either. Those QBs *are* mediocre THO.

There's got to be some synergy to an offense...Right?

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bitonti    36,751

Other examples of the mid-tier QB carried by Weaponz:

Dalton to Green

Ryan to Jones/White/Gonzalez

Schaub to Johnson

Kapernick to Davis

Flacco to Boldin/Smith/Rice

All are good enough to win any given sunday. the difference is that the first 3 names on that list play better in reg season and worse in playoffs and the bottom two are reversed.

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bitonti    36,751

Quarterbacks are like point guards, man. You get a good one, all of a sudden everybody looks better. You get a bad one, everybody sucks.

this is true but it's also true that championship teams a stockton needs a malone, a magic needs a kareem etc. whoever was playing QB for the Jets didn't have any help, Cro's right about that much.

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Matt39    35,845

The only guy in the league that could have made this offense anything better than respectable was Rodgers. And he may go down as the best to ever play the position.

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Integrity28    60,530

Tebow had same weapons last year. Still won games... but did not compile traditional great QB stats. WHUT DOZZ IT MEAN???

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pedro55    62

Just read it, friend.

The notion here was Peyton could walk into Florham Park and turn water into wine aka Chaz Schillens into a better player than he was. A huge part of Peyton's success this season was him being surrounded by studs.

Brady wasnt nearly the same passer after Gronk went down either.

People say this crap all the time. Of course if you have great players, great things might happen. But put Sanchez on the Broncos and they are what, an 8-8 team? Tebow was on a Broncos team who went 8-8 and probably would have gone 8-8 again this year. And none of those WR made him a good QB last year. He just ran the ball well at the end of games, made a couple of nice passes, maybe, and that's that.

People like to discredit the Manning's, Brady's etc the same reason they used to discredit Montana, Elway, etc. Sometimes you have to accept the fact that a great QB makes players around them a hell of a lot better than they actually ever would be.

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Matt39    35,845

People say this crap all the time. Of course if you have great players, great things might happen. But put Sanchez on the Broncos and they are what, an 8-8 team? Tebow was on a Broncos team who went 8-8 and probably would have gone 8-8 again this year. And none of those WR made him a good QB last year. He just ran the ball well at the end of games, made a couple of nice passes, maybe, and that's that.

People like to discredit the Manning's, Brady's etc the same reason they used to discredit Montana, Elway, etc. Sometimes you have to accept the fact that a great QB makes players around them a hell of a lot better than they actually ever would be.

Demaryius Thomas made Tebow looked serviceable at time last year.

He did have a few 300 yard games and he played pretty well in the playoff game. You need guys that can make plays with the football in their hands on offense. We have none of those guys.

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Jetsfan80    72,223

Demaryius Thomas made Tebow looked serviceable at time last year.

But in 2011 Demaryius finished 80th in yardage. In 2012, he was 4th in the league. Just look at some of the names he finished ahead of. Do you really think Thomas is better than Roddy White? Or AJ Green?

He made Tebow look serviceable, but Peyton didn't need any help looking good. You could see it by watching him play. Despite 4 neck surgeries he played like a Pro Bowl QB and is the 1b candidate for MVP with 1a Adrian Peterson.

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Matt39    35,845

But in 2011 Demaryius finished 80th in yardage. In 2012, he was 4th in the league. Just look at some of the names he finished ahead of. Do you really think Thomas is better than Roddy White? Or AJ Green?

Id take Thomas over White...not AJ Green though.

Thomas is a beast.

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Jetsfan80    72,223

Id take Thomas over White...not AJ Green though.

Thomas is a beast.

I think he's very good but not a beast. Roddy has been consistently at the top of the league.

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Jetsfan80    72,223

Also, how do you not consider the fact that Eric Decker had 13 TD's, SECOND in the league? The same way you look at James Jones who LED THE LEAGUE with 14 TD's.

Decker had Peyton, Jones had Rodgers. Pretty simple.

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