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[Matt39]

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I feel like there's a big disconnect between the actual value of QBs and the perceived value of QBs in the league. Could be exploited.

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Feel like you can pretty easily explain Brady's late season fall off by the absence of Gronk. Or Peyton's resurgence by having D. Thomas.

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Peyton Manning wasn't just as good as he had been, he was better this year. How can you explain that? Not arm strength. It was receivers.

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Manning had his best season in terms of AYA since 2005. It's nice to have two young/really big WRs to throw to.

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So basically where I'm going with this is that you could get two really good WRs for $20mm if you're the Ravens (instead of sign Flacco)

[HessStation]

What the **** is this sh*t????

[Matt39]

What the **** is this sh*t????

Just read it, friend.

The notion here was Peyton could walk into Florham Park and turn water into wine aka Chaz Schillens into a better player than he was. A huge part of Peyton's success this season was him being surrounded by studs.

Brady wasnt nearly the same passer after Gronk went down either.

Edited by Matt39, 28 January 2013 - 05:18 PM.

[slats]

I knew it. Sanchez is good. Where's Smashmouth? He was right, too.

[T0mShane]

Throwing to Larry Fitzgerald really did wonders for Arizona QBs.

[CTM]

Throwing to Larry Fitzgerald really did wonders for Arizona QBs.

And Brady's never been good before Gronk...

[Matt39]

Throwing to Larry Fitzgerald really did wonders for Arizona QBs.

Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out.

this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl.

[T0mShane]

Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out.

this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl.

It's chicken or egg, except we know for a fact that you can't win without the QB, ya know? No question a good receiver helps a QB, but it doesn't make or break him.

[bitonti]

a small scale version of this experiment happened when McElroy started against the Chargers. PFF said he got the most time to throw of any QB that week. He was sacked 10x. It isn't all on the QB. a lack of targets definitely hurt the Jets this year.

[T0mShane]

a small scale version of this experiment happened when McElroy started against the Chargers. PFF said he got the most time to throw of any QB that week. He was sacked 10x. It isn't all on the QB. a lack of targets definitely hurt the Jets this year.

Or, it told us that McElroy sucked.

Large scale: Tom Brady's career

[jetsjetsjetss]

Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out.

this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl.

a ravens team with sanchez is competing for a superbowl though either.

[Matt39]

a ravens team with sanchez is competing for a superbowl though either.

Probably not. But I think this Ravens team has a better supporting cast than the 2009/2010 version of the Jets

[T0mShane]

Probably not. But I think this Ravens team has a better supporting cast than the 2009/2010 version of the Jets

Quarterbacks are like point guards, man. You get a good one, all of a sudden everybody looks better. You get a bad one, everybody sucks.

[T0mShane]

BTW, I think I dated a few girls who used Fantasy Douche.

[SenorGato]

Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out.

this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl.

Other examples of the mid-tier QB carried by Weaponz:

Dalton to Green
Ryan to Jones/White/Gonzalez
Schaub to Johnson
Kapernick to Davis
Flacco to Boldin/Smith/Rice

[Matt39]

Other examples of the mid-tier QB carried by Weaponz:

Dalton to Green
Ryan to Jones/White/Gonzalez
Schaub to Johnson
Kapernick to Davis
Flacco to Boldin/Smith/Rice

are you being sarcastic? Cant tell anymore.

[Matt39]

Quarterbacks are like point guards, man. You get a good one, all of a sudden everybody looks better. You get a bad one, everybody sucks.

No doubt.

Eli is still really good imo....but losing a guy like Nicks instantaneously makes him look pedestrian.

[T0mShane]

No doubt.

Eli is still really good imo....but losing a guy like Nicks instantaneously makes him look pedestrian.

It's reflexive across the whole offense, though. Losing Nicks doesn't screw up Eli as much as it screws up Cruz and Bennett--Nicks not being there frees up a safety, coverage rolls back to Cruz, etc. Same with Gronkowski-it's not that Gronk makes Brady better, it's that Gronk opens things up for Welker and Hernandez. Receivers are socialists.

[SenorGato]

are you being sarcastic? Cant tell anymore.

I wasn't sure either. Those QBs *are* mediocre THO.

There's got to be some synergy to an offense...Right?

Edited by SenorGato, 28 January 2013 - 07:13 PM.

[bitonti]

Other examples of the mid-tier QB carried by Weaponz:

Dalton to Green
Ryan to Jones/White/Gonzalez
Schaub to Johnson
Kapernick to Davis
Flacco to Boldin/Smith/Rice

All are good enough to win any given sunday. the difference is that the first 3 names on that list play better in reg season and worse in playoffs and the bottom two are reversed.

Edited by bitonti, 28 January 2013 - 07:18 PM.