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Some interesting tweets from Frank Dupont author of NFL gameplan regarding QB's and JN's favorite term- "weapons"


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#1 Matt39

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 04:51 PM

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I feel like there's a big disconnect between the actual value of QBs and the perceived value of QBs in the league. Could be exploited.


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Feel like you can pretty easily explain Brady's late season fall off by the absence of Gronk. Or Peyton's resurgence by having D. Thomas.


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Peyton Manning wasn't just as good as he had been, he was better this year. How can you explain that? Not arm strength. It was receivers.


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Manning had his best season in terms of AYA since 2005. It's nice to have two young/really big WRs to throw to.


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So basically where I'm going with this is that you could get two really good WRs for $20mm if you're the Ravens (instead of sign Flacco)


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

What the **** is this sh*t????
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 05:18 PM

What the **** is this sh*t????


Just read it, friend.

The notion here was Peyton could walk into Florham Park and turn water into wine aka Chaz Schillens into a better player than he was. A huge part of Peyton's success this season was him being surrounded by studs.

Brady wasnt nearly the same passer after Gronk went down either.

Edited by Matt39, 28 January 2013 - 05:18 PM.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 05:30 PM

I knew it. Sanchez is good. Where's Smashmouth? He was right, too.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 05:32 PM

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Throwing to Larry Fitzgerald really did wonders for Arizona QBs.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 05:34 PM

Throwing to Larry Fitzgerald really did wonders for Arizona QBs.


And Brady's never been good before Gronk...
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:05 PM

Throwing to Larry Fitzgerald really did wonders for Arizona QBs.


Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out.

this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:13 PM

Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out.

this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl.



It's chicken or egg, except we know for a fact that you can't win without the QB, ya know? No question a good receiver helps a QB, but it doesn't make or break him.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:15 PM

a small scale version of this experiment happened when McElroy started against the Chargers. PFF said he got the most time to throw of any QB that week. He was sacked 10x. It isn't all on the QB. a lack of targets definitely hurt the Jets this year.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:17 PM

a small scale version of this experiment happened when McElroy started against the Chargers. PFF said he got the most time to throw of any QB that week. He was sacked 10x. It isn't all on the QB. a lack of targets definitely hurt the Jets this year.



Or, it told us that McElroy sucked.

Large scale: Tom Brady's career
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out.

this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl.


a ravens team with sanchez is competing for a superbowl though either.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:44 PM

a ravens team with sanchez is competing for a superbowl though either.


Probably not. But I think this Ravens team has a better supporting cast than the 2009/2010 version of the Jets
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:48 PM

Probably not. But I think this Ravens team has a better supporting cast than the 2009/2010 version of the Jets


Quarterbacks are like point guards, man. You get a good one, all of a sudden everybody looks better. You get a bad one, everybody sucks.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:50 PM

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:50 PM

Was more referring to the mid tier QB who, when surrounded with talent on offense can win a lot of games and the Super Bowl. Eli looked pretty ordinary this season with Nicks out.

this current Jets team with a Flacco or Eli isn't competing for a Super Bowl.


Other examples of the mid-tier QB carried by Weaponz:

Dalton to Green
Ryan to Jones/White/Gonzalez
Schaub to Johnson
Kapernick to Davis
Flacco to Boldin/Smith/Rice
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

Other examples of the mid-tier QB carried by Weaponz:

Dalton to Green
Ryan to Jones/White/Gonzalez
Schaub to Johnson
Kapernick to Davis
Flacco to Boldin/Smith/Rice


are you being sarcastic? Cant tell anymore.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:53 PM

Quarterbacks are like point guards, man. You get a good one, all of a sudden everybody looks better. You get a bad one, everybody sucks.


No doubt.

Eli is still really good imo....but losing a guy like Nicks instantaneously makes him look pedestrian.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 06:59 PM

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No doubt.

Eli is still really good imo....but losing a guy like Nicks instantaneously makes him look pedestrian.



It's reflexive across the whole offense, though. Losing Nicks doesn't screw up Eli as much as it screws up Cruz and Bennett--Nicks not being there frees up a safety, coverage rolls back to Cruz, etc. Same with Gronkowski-it's not that Gronk makes Brady better, it's that Gronk opens things up for Welker and Hernandez. Receivers are socialists.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:12 PM

are you being sarcastic? Cant tell anymore.


I wasn't sure either. Those QBs *are* mediocre THO.

There's got to be some synergy to an offense...Right?

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:18 PM

Other examples of the mid-tier QB carried by Weaponz:

Dalton to Green
Ryan to Jones/White/Gonzalez
Schaub to Johnson
Kapernick to Davis
Flacco to Boldin/Smith/Rice


All are good enough to win any given sunday. the difference is that the first 3 names on that list play better in reg season and worse in playoffs and the bottom two are reversed.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:19 PM

Quarterbacks are like point guards, man. You get a good one, all of a sudden everybody looks better. You get a bad one, everybody sucks.


this is true but it's also true that championship teams a stockton needs a malone, a magic needs a kareem etc. whoever was playing QB for the Jets didn't have any help, Cro's right about that much.

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:38 PM

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 07:44 PM

The only guy in the league that could have made this offense anything better than respectable was Rodgers. And he may go down as the best to ever play the position.
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Posted 28 January 2013 - 09:40 PM

Tebow had same weapons last year. Still won games... but did not compile traditional great QB stats. WHUT DOZZ IT MEAN???
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:54 AM

Just read it, friend.

The notion here was Peyton could walk into Florham Park and turn water into wine aka Chaz Schillens into a better player than he was. A huge part of Peyton's success this season was him being surrounded by studs.

Brady wasnt nearly the same passer after Gronk went down either.


People say this crap all the time. Of course if you have great players, great things might happen. But put Sanchez on the Broncos and they are what, an 8-8 team? Tebow was on a Broncos team who went 8-8 and probably would have gone 8-8 again this year. And none of those WR made him a good QB last year. He just ran the ball well at the end of games, made a couple of nice passes, maybe, and that's that.

People like to discredit the Manning's, Brady's etc the same reason they used to discredit Montana, Elway, etc. Sometimes you have to accept the fact that a great QB makes players around them a hell of a lot better than they actually ever would be.
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