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[tEYbow]

that's not exactly Revis type money. What big investments could the Jets make that have as much effect as keeping revis? My point is there is no Drew Brees on the market nor will there ever be a clear cut franchise QB on the market. Draft a QB is cheap. we are concerned about saving money for no reason

It's not about next year. It's about the future. As jason's article points out, the teams that over invest in non-QBs are trend badly.

[tEYbow]

these metaphors have gotten really twisted because in these scenarios there are like 5 houses and all of them have families living in them. Is the 7 series the best thing to spend your money on? Yes... given the options. If we play madden football and redraft the league then no. But that's not the situation.

No, because it's not about the QB necessarily. You can take the 60 M guaranteed (obviously it wont end up that much, but even 2/3 is insane), you can disperse the money and make the team better as a whole.

Jets D really didn't take a significant step back w/o Revis.

[SenorGato]

He doesn't eliminate the whole side of a field. He eliminates 1 player... a large part of the time.

It's also not a scheme, it's a tradition set where you have more than 1 pass catcher on the field.

1. Eliminating an offense's best pass catcher, which he does the vast majority of the time he's out there, is kind of a big deal.

2. He's a factor in what happens on the rest of that half of the field. .

3. Scheme isn't my word so none of that please.

[stugotz81]

I can't wait to see the tone of everyone here when the Jets are officially without Revis....and were watching kyle wilson chasing every WR into the endzone.....or even better, watching kyle wilson throw his hands in the air when the WR catches the ball behind him.....i understand the whole cap thing, and if he leaves next year then we get nothing like we could now...cross that bridge when it comes imo....as for next year, i want Revis....he is a difference maker on every single play. make it happen idzik

[bitonti]

all of this talk about "just" removing the other team's best WR neglects the effect of leadership and what having Revis around means. It's not a coincidence that the team was 2-1 and collapsed after he went down. Yes the pass defense was 2nd. The team went 6-10 and you can't tell me Revis wasn't a part of that. He's not Ray Lewis level of vocal but Revis is the Jets leader.

[Scott Dierking]

all of this talk about "just" removing the other team's best WR neglects the effect of leadership and what having Revis around means. It's not a coincidence that the team was 2-1 and collapsed after he went down. Yes the pass defense was 2nd. The team went 6-10 and you can't tell me Revis wasn't a part of that. He's not Ray Lewis level of vocal but Revis is the Jets leader.

Jets would have been no better than 6-10 with Revis this year.

That does not mean he does not carry value in subsequent years, but at what price. That is the rub.

[bitonti]

Jets would have been no better than 6-10 with Revis this year.

[bitonti]

No, because it's not about the QB necessarily. You can take the 60 M guaranteed (obviously it wont end up that much, but even 2/3 is insane), you can disperse the money and make the team better as a whole.

it depends on how they spend that money. The dump-revis crowd hasn't really given any concrete plans other than sign matt moore and make good draft picks. They can do that and also pay Revis.

[SenorGato]

It's not about next year. It's about the future. As jason's article points out, the teams that over invest in non-QBs are trend badly.

Revis >>>>>> Unknown/Nameless FAs of The Future

[BroadwayJoe12]

it depends on how they spend that money. The dump-revis crowd hasn't really given any concrete plans other than sign matt moore and make good draft picks. They can do that and also pay Revis.

Dump Revis for picks and cap space; sign Phil Loadholt or Gosder Cherilus, Andy levitre and draft Jones/Mingo/Moore/Ansah with our top pick. I'd rather spend 8 mill per on an OT and OG than on one CB. That's not even counting the first rounder we'd hopefully get for trading him. What was the biggest thing missing from these past two years compared to our first?? Dominant run game and offensive line; yes, we graded out well, but our offensive line did not dominate teams like it did those first two years.

So yes, I'd love to keep revis if he was reasonable about his demands, but history has shown us he is anything but. If that's the case, we do what's best for both us and move on.

[BroadwayJoe12]

Revis >>>>>> Unknown/Nameless FAs of The Future

Would you take Revis over a combo of Loadholt/Cherilus and Levtire/other OG for probably less cap space and gauranteed money??

[bitonti]

Dump Revis for picks and cap space; sign Phil Loadholt or Gosder Cherilus, Andy levitre and draft Jones/Mingo/Moore/Ansah with our top pick. I'd rather spend 8 mill per on an OT and OG than on one CB.

Andy Levitre is a really good player. He's the heart of that offense and criminally underrated. He's easily gonna get the most money of all the interior guys. So I agree with that and the general idea to improve the offensive line. Chance Warmack is probably gonna be there at 9, just throwing that out there.

[BroadwayJoe12]

Andy Levitre is a really good player. He's the heart of that offense and criminally underrated. He's easily gonna get the most money of all the interior guys. So I agree with that and the general idea to improve the offensive line. Chance Warmack is probably gonna be there at 9, just throwing that out there.

Levitre will definitely get the most money out of the interior lineman, but I don't think we're going to be looking at Carl Nicks type money as there are a plethora of studs in this years draft class. But even so, I'd just assume pay Cherilus/Loadholt and Levitre ~8 million each as opposed to one person $16, unless he is a QB.

I think Warmack is going to be the next steve hutchinson, be even so, I don't like the idea of selecting him top ten, when you could potentially have that elite pass-rusher we've been craving ever since Abe left. I also thinks there's a chance that a Bailer or Cooper could fall to the bottom half of the draft due to Larry Wardaddy gaining momentum, which we could grab should we land an additional first for revis. There are some options, but hopefully both Revis and the Jets work out what's best for both of them and he remains a jet; I just don't have faith i nthat happening.

[SenorGato]

Would you take Revis over a combo of Loadholt/Cherilus and Levtire/other OG for probably less cap space and gauranteed money??

How real of a possibility is it to get even one of Cherlius or LeVitre? Does the team really need 2 more big money OLmen? Do they really come out to be cheaper anyway?

There has to be a way to sign one of those guys without trading Revis. Possibly one way would be to trade the new It Guy, Cromartie.

[SenorGato]

So Chris Johnson might really be cut? Sounds like an opportunity.

Edited by SenorGato, 31 January 2013 - 08:52 PM.

[yanks9596]

We all love Revis. He's a phenomenal player. But, 2012 proved that his value is really marginal. The Jets pass D did not suffer tremendously, if at all, in Revis' absence

As such, you simply cannot make a Revis the highest paid player on your team. Especially a team that has no quarterback. Can we get one of those first? It's kind of been awhile since we had anyone worth a damn at the most important position on the field.

[CrazyCarl40]

So Chris Johnson might really be cut? Sounds like an opportunity.

Sounds like an opportunity to pass up, even if the Jets could afford him. Overrated.

[SenorGato]

Sounds like an opportunity to pass up, even if the Jets could afford him. Overrated.

Name an underrated starting running back.

[CrazyCarl40]

Name an underrated starting running back.

There are plenty. CJ2K has been overpaid garbage since his big payday.

[SenorGato]

There are plenty. CJ2K has been overpaid garbage since his big payday.

Ah, and his cut contract should match that if not top it. Got it.

Any of him, Jones, Mendenhall, Greene, and whoever I'm forgetting wants to rebuild their stock for cheap should come to Los Yets.

Edited by SenorGato, 31 January 2013 - 09:42 PM.