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Tanny: "I don't think I would have signed a QB to an extension knowing he'd have 26 turnovers"

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Never mind that Tannenbaum said that Tebow was all his idea after he was fired. That wouldn't fit your conspiracy.

LOL, do you really believe that, even one tiny bit?

 

Really?

 

Deductive reasoning is clearly not one of your stronger points.

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If that was his only mistake he'd still be here.  Pretty special that we surrendered a 4th rounder and millions in cap room for the privilege.

 

He did such a good job outside of Tebow he will be the object of articles for years to come that tell stories of draft schwansing  - on both sides of the ball.

 

 

 

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The pass-rush project: Ezekiel 'Ziggy' Ansah is the latest 'raw' superathletic DE to make waves

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Is the answer to the NFL's present trend of run-option quarterbacks a guy with almost no football past?

That is the daunting question revolving around BYU defensive lineman Ezekial "Ziggy" Ansah. In so many ways, Ansah is the latest version of Jason Pierre-Paul, a tall, fast and uber-athletic defensive end who didn't have much experience with the game. The difference is that Ansah not only has even less football experience than Pierre-Paul, but also Ansah has less experience with this country as a native of Ghana.

"It is crazy, to go from where I was a year ago to how much people are paying attention to me," Ansah said in his slightly halting English that reverberates through his kettle-drum voice. Ansah is viewed much like Pierre-Paul in 2010, a mid-first-round pick (Pierre, from South Florida, went No. 15 overall to the New York Giants) with high upside and lots of risk.

To hear Senior Bowl executive director and former longtime NFL scout and executive Phil Savage talk about Ansah, the top 10 appears to be a sure thing heading into the NFL scouting combine, which starts this week in Indianapolis.

"I'm thinking that maybe even the top five with the way that teams are so desperate to adjust what they're doing for all these read-option quarterbacks," said Savage, who watched Ansah take over the Senior Bowl last month as if he were already a level better than the competition. "You're going to need guys on the defensive line who can chase those guys down. Ansah is that guy."

Ansah finished the Senior Bowl with seven tackles, including 3 ½ for losses (1 ½ were sacks), and forced a fumble from Syracuse quarterback Ryan Nassib. Savage and many other observers said he was clearly the best player in the game.

Ansah is the NFL's version of a runway model. At 6-foot-5, 274 pounds and a wingspan of nearly seven feet, he runs like a track athlete. That's what Ansah did before finding his way to the gridiron. In fact, Ansah did lots of things before getting to football. There was soccer in Ghana. There was basketball, a sport he loved as he watched his older brother, Elias, play. Ziggy even dreamed of playing at the NBA level after he converted to Mormonism and came to the United States five years ago.

 

The downside

As much as some people like the idea of getting the next Pierre-Paul or even a guy like Stephen Neal, a guard with New England who never played in college but played eight seasons in the NFL before retiring after the 2010 season, the success rate for players with non-traditional football backgrounds is questionable.

Perhaps the best example – or worst, depending upon your perspective – is former New York Jets defensive end Vernon Gholston, who had to be talked into playing football in high school, just like Pierre-Paul. Gholston, who also is exceptionally bright, ended up at Ohio State and became an even more successful college pass rusher than either Pierre-Paul or Ansah.

Gholston went No. 6 in the 2008 draft to the Jets. In three years with the Jets, Gholston never recorded a sack and was cut. In each of the past two years, he was with a team in training camp but didn't last past August.

 

Or there is Jets offensive lineman Vladimir Ducasse, who moved to the United States from Haiti when he was 14, started playing football in high school and played at the University of Massachusetts before being a second-round pick in 2010. Ducasse has started one game in three years with the Jets, and what little playing time he has received has been shrouded in mild controversy. In November, Jets offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo, who was fired earlier this month, indicated that he was being forced to play Ducasse on roughly 25 percent of the snaps.

With players such as Gholston and Ducasse, small things can have large ripple effects because of their lack of experience.

One former Jets employee said that Gholston's confidence was shot in his very first game. Gholston, who was under pressure to fulfill a five-year, $32.5 million contract that included $21 million guaranteed, missed a sack of Miami quarterback Chad Pennington, who had recently left the Jets.

"I just remember that play so vividly and how he seemed to think about that play over and over again," the former Jets employee said. "He wasn't a guy with a lot of confidence, and I think that with the pressure of the contract and the New York media on him, he just went into a shell."

For Ducasse, the 2011 NFL lockout deprived him of vital learning time with the coaching staff. When Ducasse came back to the team after the lockout, it was almost as if he were starting over again as a rookie, the former employee said.

 

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LOL, do you really believe that, even one tiny bit?

 

Really?

 

Deductive reasoning is clearly not one of your stronger points.

 

 

You don't believe that for a second.

 

I don't see how it benefits Tannenbaum to take the fall for Tebow after he's left the Jets.

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap2000000139049/Tannenbaum-reflects-on-time-with-Jets?campaign=Facebook_videos_jets

 

Someone want to break it to this moron that Sanchez had 26 turnovers in 2011 too?

 

What bothers me about this is not Tanny's idiotic statement, it's that the interview didn't call him on it right on the spot.

 

That seems to be a problem across the board in sports media and elsewhere.  An interviewee says something that is easily verifyable and this is the internet age so an assistant can check it on an iPad and relay it to the interviewer in seconds but they don't.  It's pathetic.

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I don't see how it benefits Tannenbaum to take the fall for Tebow after he's left the Jets.

 

OK, so lets play this out.

 

Reporter:

 

Tebow was obviously a huge mistake, was this your move, or Woody Johnsons move?

 

MT:

 

This was 100% on Woody, we saw no value to having Tebow on this roster, however he is the owner and he makes the call.

 

 

 

Future potential boss owners:

 

Yeah, just what I want, someone to throw me under the bus if I decide I want a player, no thanks.

 

Is it really that hard to grasp??

 

I think its comical how you want to blame Tanny for all that is wrong with the Jets.

 

He takes plenty of the blame, but he is a distant third behind Woody and Rex in where the blame should really be directed.

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Lol!

Woody fired his one last link to Bill Parcells, the lone executive who's been with him since he bought the team, as a "scapegoat." Nothing to do with the Peter Principle or anything. Nothing to do with Tannenbaum's performance. Just pure conspiracy.

Gotta love it.

 

He's on Gato's level with the whole Shotty thingy.  Bizarre sh*t.

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I think its comical how you want to blame Tanny for all that is wrong with the Jets.

 

Dude, you're the one who sees things strictly in black & white, not me. I blame Woody for poor owning, Rex for poor coaching, and Tannenbaum for poor GM'ing.

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Dude, you're the one who sees things strictly in black & white, not me. I blame Woody for poor owning, Rex for poor coaching, and Tannenbaum for poor GM'ing.

 

Wait one damn second, you want people to be responsible for their OWN actions?  Geez, what kind of moron are you?  Everyone with half a brain knows that absolutely everything that has ever happened in the history of the New York Jets is Rex Ryan's fault.

 

Ok, time to go huff some more glue now.

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Wait one damn second, you want people to be responsible for their OWN actions?  Geez, what kind of moron are you?  Everyone with half a brain knows that absolutely everything that has ever happened in the history of the New York Jets is Rex Ryan's fault.

 

Ok, time to go huff some more glue now.

 

All Rex's fault.  He's the reason that 98 team didnt win the SB.  FACT!

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Dude, you're the one who sees things strictly in black & white, not me. I blame Woody for poor owning, Rex for poor coaching, and Tannenbaum for poor GM'ing.

 

Huh?

 

I was replying to your statement that Tanny said Tebow was his move, so it must be?

 

Anyone who thinks that move was not Woody is delirious, that move was 1000% Woody, not Tanny.

 

You say you blame Rex, yet you want him to stay.

 

You don't acknowledge this is actually his roster, and that his organizational strategy has been a debacle for the past 4 years, all while bashing Tanny every chance you can.

 

Im fine with people bashing Tanny, he has plenty to blame, but I find it comical that anyone in their right mind can bash Tanny, yet accept Rex still having a job as the HC of the Jets.

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Wait one damn second, you want people to be responsible for their OWN actions?  Geez, what kind of moron are you?  Everyone with half a brain knows that absolutely everything that has ever happened in the history of the New York Jets is Rex Ryan's fault.

 

Ok, time to go huff some more glue now.

 

 

Once a dope...... Always a dope......

 

Yeah, lets forgive Rex for where this franchise is 4 years after he took over.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE wanted Sanchez.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE developed him.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE did nothing to get a viable alternative in here to Sanchez.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE has one of the bottom 5 offenses in the league, and is so void of any talent it will probably take years to recover.

 

Yeah, all of this was on Tanny, yeah, get a clue. Your the one who sniffs glue.

 

You talk out of both sides of your dumb ass, on one side of your dumb ass, you rant and rave about how bad Sanchez is, yet you absolve the fat moron who is responsible for him.

 

Dolt.

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All Rex's fault.  He's the reason that 98 team didnt win the SB.  FACT!

 

Hey look, all the brainiacs sticking together.

 

Go geniuses!

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Once a dope...... Always a dope......

 

Yeah, lets forgive Rex for where this franchise is 4 years after he took over.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE wanted Sanchez.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE developed him.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE did nothing to get a viable alternative in here to Sanchez.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE has one of the bottom 5 offenses in the league, and is so void of any talent it will probably take years to recover.

 

Yeah, all of this was on Tanny, yeah, get a clue. Your the one who sniffs glue.

 

You talk out of both sides of your dumb ass, on one side of your dumb ass, you rant and rave about how bad Sanchez is, yet you absolve the fat moron who is responsible for him.

 

Dolt.

 

Yeah, literally nobody has ever said any of that.

 

Great work though.

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You say you blame Rex, yet you want him to stay.

 

You don't acknowledge this is actually his roster, and that his organizational strategy has been a debacle for the past 4 years, all while bashing Tanny every chance you can.

 

I've been pretty clear throughout the process that I wanted the new GM to determine Rex's fate.

 

IMHO, Rex is an excellent defensive coach. That's an asset that I'd rather not just throw out.

 

Rex having too much say in personnel is directly related to Tannenbaum being incompetent. Rex may've suggested players, but it was Tannenbaum who was trading away picks and overpaying to get them. I'm looking forward to seeing how things are run under Idzik.

 

Once a dope...... Always a dope......

 

Yeah, lets forgive Rex for where this franchise is 4 years after he took over.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE wanted Sanchez.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE developed him.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE did nothing to get a viable alternative in here to Sanchez.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE has one of the bottom 5 offenses in the league, and is so void of any talent it will probably take years to recover.

 

Yeah, all of this was on Tanny, yeah, get a clue. Your the one who sniffs glue.

 

You talk out of both sides of your dumb ass, on one side of your dumb ass, you rant and rave about how bad Sanchez is, yet you absolve the fat moron who is responsible for him.

 

Dolt.

 

Posts like this will buy you time off. If you can't discuss your conspiracy theories without insulting other posters, don't discuss them.

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I'm gonna say that both Tannenbaum and Rex are incompetent. Yeah. I think that's true.

 

Don't you know it's impossible for more than one person on the Jets to suck at their job at the same time?  Everything always has to be all one person's fault.  Kind of how like Pennington couldn't possibly have sucked in the playoffs because Doug Brien missed that kick.  Or how Sanchez couldn't have sucked at playing QB prior to this season because Schotty sucked as OC (or in the case of Gato, the other way around).  Get it together Tom.

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Don't you know it's impossible for more than one person on the Jets to suck at their job at the same time?  Everything always has to be all one person's fault.  Kind of how like Pennington couldn't possibly have sucked in the playoffs because Doug Brien missed that kick.  Or how Sanchez couldn't have sucked at playing QB prior to this season because Schotty sucked as OC (or in the case of Gato, the other way around).  Get it together Tom.

 

When that player (or coach) sucks more than anybody else in the game (or history, for that matter) it can be hard to see the flaws of others.

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I'm gonna say that both Tannenbaum and Rex are incompetent. Yeah. I think that's true.

 

Incompetent is a strong word.  They were competent enough to take a team to the brink of the SB, 2 years in a row.  I think Tanny sucked worse than Rex but clearly I'm not the most objective perspective.

 

Truth is, to be even considered as a HC in the league, you're in such a small percentile, that you have to be really really really F'ing good to even get considered.  Sure, there are some head scratchers and candidates we laugh at, but its still true.  I'd suspect GM is similar, maybe even harder, but dont know much about that world.  

 

Rex is a great coach in the eye's of many people who know a lot more than a bunch of bitter Jets fans.

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Incompetent is a strong word.  They were competent enough to take a team to the brink of the SB, 2 years in a row.  I think Tanny sucked worse than Rex but clearly I'm not the most objective perspective.

 

Truth is, to be even considered as a HC in the league, you're in such a small percentile, that you have to be really really really F'ing good to even get considered.  Sure, there are some head scratchers and candidates we laugh at, but its still true.  I'd suspect GM is similar, maybe even harder, but dont know much about that world.  

 

Rex is a great coach in the eye's of many people who know a lot more than a bunch of bitter Jets fans.

 

Right.  Just like my namesake.  

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I've been pretty clear throughout the process that I wanted the new GM to determine Rex's fate.

 

IMHO, Rex is an excellent defensive coach. That's an asset that I'd rather not just throw out.

 

Rex having too much say in personnel is directly related to Tannenbaum being incompetent. Rex may've suggested players, but it was Tannenbaum who was trading away picks and overpaying to get them. I'm looking forward to seeing how things are run under Idzik.

 

 

Posts like this will buy you time off. If you can't discuss your conspiracy theories without insulting other posters, don't discuss them.

 

I see, if the moderator agrees with one side, they will threaten the other side....... Got it!

 

Do I get to go to Hawaii for my time off?

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I get a little excited when I see I've been quoted.  Then I see that it's you and it's like always a major letdown.  The highs and lows of JetNation.

 

I have feelings.  

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