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Tanny: "I don't think I would have signed a QB to an extension knowing he'd have 26 turnovers"

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my problem with this logic (and Jason's earlier comment) is that Tanny is out of a job if he doesn't extend Mark. the idea that the extension did him in... he's getting fired either way if Mark goes south. At the time of the extension Mark had 1 really bad year and 2 AFC CG playoff runs. It's a no lose move for Tanny to double down on Mark. Imagine Mark plays out his string, Tanny says to Woody "hey remember that 50 mil you put into Mark, I smartly made sure we didn't extend him. And... we need to do it again" He still gets fired. the extension wasn't why he got fired. Mark playing poorly is what got him fired. Conversely if Mark plays awesome in 2012 the extension isn't getting him fired in that scenario. It's all about Mark basically and how many people this guy can get fired before he leaves the Jets. 

 

You don't know this and I don't even agree.

 

I think the reason he's gone isn't just because the Jets suck. It's because the Jets suck and don't have the cap room to get any better because of contracts you liked, like Sanchez and Harris.

 

Mark playing poorly isn't what got him fired.  Mark playing poorly with no other option in sight, and financially locking the team into no other option at the same time in humiliating fashion is what got him fired.  I think Woody likes Tannenbaum and with so many bad moves - the Sanchez extension just being the most obvious one - he got fired.

 

If Sanchez sucks while still on his rookie contract, but another QB was brought in here through the draft or FA and took the Jets to 9-7 in a season where they lost Revis and Holmes, I think Tannenbaum's job was pretty safe.

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If Sanchez sucks while still on his rookie contract, but another QB was brought in here through the draft or FA and took the Jets to 9-7 in a season where they lost Revis and Holmes, I think Tannenbaum's job was pretty safe.

 

that's a fair point, maybe tannys mistake was believing Tebow could get them to 9-7 in that scenario. 

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that's a fair point, maybe tannys mistake was believing Tebow could get them to 9-7 in that scenario. 

 

If that was his only mistake he'd still be here.  Pretty special that we surrendered a 4th rounder and millions in cap room for the privilege.

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Tanny is fired as a scapegoat for the fat moron HC, period.

Tanny did his bidding, this roster is Rex's roster, not Tannys

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Tanny is fired as a scapegoat for the fat moron HC, period.

Tanny did his bidding, this roster is Rex's roster, not Tannys

Lol!

Woody fired his one last link to Bill Parcells, the lone executive who's been with him since he bought the team, as a "scapegoat." Nothing to do with the Peter Principle or anything. Nothing to do with Tannenbaum's performance. Just pure conspiracy.

Gotta love it.

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Lol!

Woody fired his one last link to Bill Parcells, the lone executive who's been with him since he bought the team, as a "scapegoat." Nothing to do with the Peter Principle or anything. Nothing to do with Tannenbaum's performance. Just pure conspiracy.

Gotta love it.

Not a conspiracy if Ryan is stupid, and boy lemmetellya is Ryan stupid. He's all Super Bowl this and this guy is the greatest at that...signs of a delusional dummy. Edited by SenorGato
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Maybe.  Except Tannenbaum was the one who had just given Schottenheimer an extension before his last season here.

 

yes but 2011's scapegoat was derrick mason

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Lol!

Woody fired his one last link to Bill Parcells, the lone executive who's been with him since he bought the team, as a "scapegoat." Nothing to do with the Peter Principle or anything. Nothing to do with Tannenbaum's performance. Just pure conspiracy.

Gotta love it.

LOL, you know what is really funny? and I mean, really, really funny?

 

Acting like Woody, the man who forced Tebow down the organizations throat, tells everyone that this is the entertainment business, called Rex Ryan SOPHISTICATED, tells the media "You can never have enough Tebow", and many other moronic, idiotic owner things, has one iota of a clue on how to run a football team, and made the right move firing Tanny, and keeping Rex around, that is funny, I mean, really, really funny.

 

Thanks, I needed the laugh.

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LOL, you know what is really funny? and I mean, really, really funny?

 

Acting like Woody, the man who forced Tebow down the organizations throat, tells everyone that this is the entertainment business, called Rex Ryan SOPHISTICATED, tells the media "You can never have enough Tebow", and many other moronic, idiotic owner things, has one iota of a clue on how to run a football team, and made the right move firing Tanny, and keeping Rex around, that is funny, I mean, really, really funny.

 

Thanks, I needed the laugh.

Never mind that Tannenbaum said that Tebow was all his idea after he was fired. That wouldn't fit your conspiracy.

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Never mind that Tannenbaum said that Tebow was all his idea after he was fired. That wouldn't fit your conspiracy.

You don't believe that for a second.

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Never mind that Tannenbaum said that Tebow was all his idea after he was fired. That wouldn't fit your conspiracy.

LOL, do you really believe that, even one tiny bit?

 

Really?

 

Deductive reasoning is clearly not one of your stronger points.

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If that was his only mistake he'd still be here.  Pretty special that we surrendered a 4th rounder and millions in cap room for the privilege.

 

He did such a good job outside of Tebow he will be the object of articles for years to come that tell stories of draft schwansing  - on both sides of the ball.

 

 

 

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The pass-rush project: Ezekiel 'Ziggy' Ansah is the latest 'raw' superathletic DE to make waves

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Is the answer to the NFL's present trend of run-option quarterbacks a guy with almost no football past?

That is the daunting question revolving around BYU defensive lineman Ezekial "Ziggy" Ansah. In so many ways, Ansah is the latest version of Jason Pierre-Paul, a tall, fast and uber-athletic defensive end who didn't have much experience with the game. The difference is that Ansah not only has even less football experience than Pierre-Paul, but also Ansah has less experience with this country as a native of Ghana.

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"I just remember that play so vividly and how he seemed to think about that play over and over again," the former Jets employee said. "He wasn't a guy with a lot of confidence, and I think that with the pressure of the contract and the New York media on him, he just went into a shell."

For Ducasse, the 2011 NFL lockout deprived him of vital learning time with the coaching staff. When Ducasse came back to the team after the lockout, it was almost as if he were starting over again as a rookie, the former employee said.

 

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LOL, do you really believe that, even one tiny bit?

 

Really?

 

Deductive reasoning is clearly not one of your stronger points.

 

 

You don't believe that for a second.

 

I don't see how it benefits Tannenbaum to take the fall for Tebow after he's left the Jets.

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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap2000000139049/Tannenbaum-reflects-on-time-with-Jets?campaign=Facebook_videos_jets

 

Someone want to break it to this moron that Sanchez had 26 turnovers in 2011 too?

 

What bothers me about this is not Tanny's idiotic statement, it's that the interview didn't call him on it right on the spot.

 

That seems to be a problem across the board in sports media and elsewhere.  An interviewee says something that is easily verifyable and this is the internet age so an assistant can check it on an iPad and relay it to the interviewer in seconds but they don't.  It's pathetic.

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I don't see how it benefits Tannenbaum to take the fall for Tebow after he's left the Jets.

 

OK, so lets play this out.

 

Reporter:

 

Tebow was obviously a huge mistake, was this your move, or Woody Johnsons move?

 

MT:

 

This was 100% on Woody, we saw no value to having Tebow on this roster, however he is the owner and he makes the call.

 

 

 

Future potential boss owners:

 

Yeah, just what I want, someone to throw me under the bus if I decide I want a player, no thanks.

 

Is it really that hard to grasp??

 

I think its comical how you want to blame Tanny for all that is wrong with the Jets.

 

He takes plenty of the blame, but he is a distant third behind Woody and Rex in where the blame should really be directed.

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Lol!

Woody fired his one last link to Bill Parcells, the lone executive who's been with him since he bought the team, as a "scapegoat." Nothing to do with the Peter Principle or anything. Nothing to do with Tannenbaum's performance. Just pure conspiracy.

Gotta love it.

 

He's on Gato's level with the whole Shotty thingy.  Bizarre sh*t.

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I think its comical how you want to blame Tanny for all that is wrong with the Jets.

 

Dude, you're the one who sees things strictly in black & white, not me. I blame Woody for poor owning, Rex for poor coaching, and Tannenbaum for poor GM'ing.

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Dude, you're the one who sees things strictly in black & white, not me. I blame Woody for poor owning, Rex for poor coaching, and Tannenbaum for poor GM'ing.

 

Wait one damn second, you want people to be responsible for their OWN actions?  Geez, what kind of moron are you?  Everyone with half a brain knows that absolutely everything that has ever happened in the history of the New York Jets is Rex Ryan's fault.

 

Ok, time to go huff some more glue now.

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Wait one damn second, you want people to be responsible for their OWN actions?  Geez, what kind of moron are you?  Everyone with half a brain knows that absolutely everything that has ever happened in the history of the New York Jets is Rex Ryan's fault.

 

Ok, time to go huff some more glue now.

 

All Rex's fault.  He's the reason that 98 team didnt win the SB.  FACT!

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That confidence sh*t on Gholston is interesting, but I[m pretty sure the only reason he isn't in the league at all is because he was in too many games to be practice squad eligible. 

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Dude, you're the one who sees things strictly in black & white, not me. I blame Woody for poor owning, Rex for poor coaching, and Tannenbaum for poor GM'ing.

 

Huh?

 

I was replying to your statement that Tanny said Tebow was his move, so it must be?

 

Anyone who thinks that move was not Woody is delirious, that move was 1000% Woody, not Tanny.

 

You say you blame Rex, yet you want him to stay.

 

You don't acknowledge this is actually his roster, and that his organizational strategy has been a debacle for the past 4 years, all while bashing Tanny every chance you can.

 

Im fine with people bashing Tanny, he has plenty to blame, but I find it comical that anyone in their right mind can bash Tanny, yet accept Rex still having a job as the HC of the Jets.

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Wait one damn second, you want people to be responsible for their OWN actions?  Geez, what kind of moron are you?  Everyone with half a brain knows that absolutely everything that has ever happened in the history of the New York Jets is Rex Ryan's fault.

 

Ok, time to go huff some more glue now.

 

 

Once a dope...... Always a dope......

 

Yeah, lets forgive Rex for where this franchise is 4 years after he took over.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE wanted Sanchez.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE developed him.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE did nothing to get a viable alternative in here to Sanchez.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE has one of the bottom 5 offenses in the league, and is so void of any talent it will probably take years to recover.

 

Yeah, all of this was on Tanny, yeah, get a clue. Your the one who sniffs glue.

 

You talk out of both sides of your dumb ass, on one side of your dumb ass, you rant and rave about how bad Sanchez is, yet you absolve the fat moron who is responsible for him.

 

Dolt.

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All Rex's fault.  He's the reason that 98 team didnt win the SB.  FACT!

 

Hey look, all the brainiacs sticking together.

 

Go geniuses!

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Once a dope...... Always a dope......

 

Yeah, lets forgive Rex for where this franchise is 4 years after he took over.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE wanted Sanchez.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE developed him.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE did nothing to get a viable alternative in here to Sanchez.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE has one of the bottom 5 offenses in the league, and is so void of any talent it will probably take years to recover.

 

Yeah, all of this was on Tanny, yeah, get a clue. Your the one who sniffs glue.

 

You talk out of both sides of your dumb ass, on one side of your dumb ass, you rant and rave about how bad Sanchez is, yet you absolve the fat moron who is responsible for him.

 

Dolt.

 

Yeah, literally nobody has ever said any of that.

 

Great work though.

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You say you blame Rex, yet you want him to stay.

 

You don't acknowledge this is actually his roster, and that his organizational strategy has been a debacle for the past 4 years, all while bashing Tanny every chance you can.

 

I've been pretty clear throughout the process that I wanted the new GM to determine Rex's fate.

 

IMHO, Rex is an excellent defensive coach. That's an asset that I'd rather not just throw out.

 

Rex having too much say in personnel is directly related to Tannenbaum being incompetent. Rex may've suggested players, but it was Tannenbaum who was trading away picks and overpaying to get them. I'm looking forward to seeing how things are run under Idzik.

 

Once a dope...... Always a dope......

 

Yeah, lets forgive Rex for where this franchise is 4 years after he took over.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE wanted Sanchez.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE developed him.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE did nothing to get a viable alternative in here to Sanchez.

 

Lets forgive the fact that HE has one of the bottom 5 offenses in the league, and is so void of any talent it will probably take years to recover.

 

Yeah, all of this was on Tanny, yeah, get a clue. Your the one who sniffs glue.

 

You talk out of both sides of your dumb ass, on one side of your dumb ass, you rant and rave about how bad Sanchez is, yet you absolve the fat moron who is responsible for him.

 

Dolt.

 

Posts like this will buy you time off. If you can't discuss your conspiracy theories without insulting other posters, don't discuss them.

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