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[HessStation]

Riveting analysis. As usual.

 

I'll leave the highly in-depth, analytical breakdowns to genius' like you. 

 

 

I think Wilson is the best of all 3...

 

Wilson, Kaep, Luck, RG3

 

WOW you're good!!!

[SouthernJet]

Actually, there is no evidence that he ignored you.  It's nice to think that we could have gotten Wilson with our 3rd, but it isn't factually correct.  Horrible as the Jets were, they picked a few slots behind those dominant Seahawks.  That is why the Jets traded "up" with Seattle to pick Hill and why Wilson was not available in the 3rd when the Jets took Demario Davis.  They would have had to use their 2nd or heaven forfend, trade up to nab Wilson.  

 

Stupid Tanny.  Why didn't he listen?

LOL, ya , I know, but felt we should have manuevered a bit to get him

[HessStation]

The alleged mobile QB doesn't win the Super Bowl until they stop being mobile. They're shoot-first point guards. Brady, Ben, Flacco, and Eli can't break a 5.6 in the 40, but they've got rings. Luck will win more playoff games than Wilson and RGIII combined.

QB is obviously the most important position but it's not like they're a starting pitcher or goalie either. Just saying, the team surrounding them has to be taken into consideration as part of the equation (Coaching and talent). Unfortunately that's a whole other debate...but that said, I think Luck, hands down, had the worst talent and coaching surrounding him out of the four and still made it to the playoffs. 

Edited by HessStation, 15 February 2013 - 12:14 PM.

[stugotz81]

The alleged mobile QB doesn't win the Super Bowl until they stop being mobile. They're shoot-first point guards. Brady, Ben, Flacco, and Eli can't break a 5.6 in the 40, but they've got rings. Luck will win more playoff games than Wilson and RGIII combined.

how about more playoff wins than Sanchez, Wilson, and RG3 combined.

[j4jets]

Luck is the best, by far, and it isn't close. 

 

I don't think so. He may be the better QB, but not by far. If I had to pick, I'd pick Wilson right now. Luck had too many turnovers, which is normal for a rookie starting QB. Russell didn't. Luck had far more passing yards than Russell, but thats because Seahawks were a far superior run team than Colts. They didn't have to throw as much. This is evident by the number of TDs to attempts ratio each player had:

 

Andrew Luck 23 in 627 attempts (27.26 attempts per TD)

Russell Wilson 26 in 393 attempts (15.11 attempts per TD, almost half of Luck)

 

Stats don't tell the whole story. The only knock on Russell was that he was considered too short to play the game and didn't have downfield vision. I think after running for almost 500 yards and passing at over 100 QB rating, that notion can be dismissed. I'd build my team around Wilson as well (or Kapernick). QB position is evolving in to a scrambling QB. Brady has next to no mobility. If he was even 10% of Russell or Kaep, he would have had several more rings.

[Stonehands]

When in doubt, always choose accuracy.  That would leave me with Luck, then Wilson followed by RG3 and Kaepernick last.

[Integrity28]

Tanny is going out of his way to make sure he never gets another job.

 

If he really felt this way, why didn't he draft Russell Wilson?

[Matt39]

Lol at Wilson being a running QB.

Edited by Matt39, 15 February 2013 - 12:17 PM.

[Matt39]

I'll leave the highly in-depth, analytical breakdowns to genius' like you.





WOW you're good!!!

Ya bro lets harp on a typo you got me.

[HessStation]

I stole this from somewhere else but it's a good template to work from if you want to debate which young QB you're taking to start a team. This is in terms of college prospects but the fact that we know a little bit more about these guys only helps imo. The problem is I think within each bullet you could make an argument.  Interestingly enough though, 'height' is not on the list. 

 

A Top 10 list of what NFL talent evaluators look for when figuring if a college passer has what it takes to succeed at the league's premier position. Info provided by Sports Illustrated May 1st, 2006 Issue :

QUARTERBACK CHECKLIST

#1 ARM STRENGTH : The Redskins overlooked this in drafting Heath Shuler at #3 IN 1994, as did the Bears in taking Cade McNown at #12 in 1999. " Name the last great quarterback who didn't have a strong arm," says former Giants passer Phil Simms. " I can't." In this draft, Jay Cutler of Vanderbilt and Kellen Clemens of Oregon would please Simms.

#2 FOOTBALL IQ : "The most important thing we do in evaluating a quarterback," says Titans coach Jeff Fisher, "is putting him up in front of our staff, firing questions at him and seeing if he can break down defenses and analyze why he makes certain decisions." Teams like that Matt Leinart got a head start by studying the NFL game tape last fall while at USC.

#3 ACCURACY : Michael Vick of the Falcons, the #1 pick in 2001, remains vexed by what troubled him at Virginia Tech : a low completion percentage. Vick's rate is 54.1% , about five points BELOW the league average. That's two or three completions per game that stops drives.

#4 MOBILITY : Good Vision and nimble feet can make up for sheer speed. The Colts Peyton Manning , the first pick in the 1998 draft, can move in the pocket and avoid rushers well enough.

#5 LEADERSHIP : Tom Brady is a regular at the Patriots' off-season workout programs. It's not hard to get full attendance when this era's Joe Montana leads the way.

#6 TOUGHNESS : Packers GM Tom Wolf, whom traded for Brett Favre in 1992 and later drafted Matt Hasselbeck in the 6th round in 1998, figured out Favre when, 31 days after stomach surgery, Favre took the field and led his college team, Southern Mississippi, to victory.

#7 RESUME : Says Saints coach Sean Payton, " I want to see a winner, a competitor, a guy who plays great from behind, a guy who plays well in big games." Though Cutler was on a bad Vanderbilt team, coaches believe he raised the play of the Commodores significantly.

#8 MATURITY : In 1998 the Chargers (drafting 2nd) overlooked such red flags around Ryan Leaf as his skipping his interview with the Colts (who held the 1st pick) at the scouting combine.

#9 PEDIGREE : " I love a coach's or player's son," says Eagles coach Andy Reid. "Favre, Hasselbeck, Ty Detmer, Mark Brunell, A.J. Feeley-- they've had the competitive part of the game pounded into them. They're going to know what it takes to win."

#10 HAND SIZE : No Kidding. Teams want a guy whose outstretched throwing hand measures at least 9 1/2 inches from the tip of the thumb to the tip of the little finger. The Eagles knocked Daunte Culpepper off their draft list in 1999 in part because of his small hands.
 

[HessStation]

Ya bro lets harp on a typo you got me.

 

What typo?  No clue.  

[Integrity28]

What typo?  No clue.  

 

 

It's okay you got him anyway.... because you are you... and he is, well... him.

[HessStation]

Reading through that Top 10 list. Interestingly enough, all 4 guys almost carry all those attributes. 

[Matt39]

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What typo? No clue. [/quote

Instead of copying pasting why dot you explain why you take Luck over Wilson and what Luck does better?

[j4jets]

When in doubt, always choose accuracy.  That would leave me with Luck, then Wilson followed by RG3 and Kaepernick last.

 

Interesting...Luck had a 54% completion rate while Wilson had 64%, RG3 had 66% and Kaep had 62%.

[Matt39]

Interesting...Luck had a 54% completion rate while Wilson had 64%, RG3 had 66% and Kaep had 62%.

Shoot this man.

[Matt39]

It's okay you got him anyway.... because you are you... and he is, well... him.

Dynamite drop in Monty

[JiF]

When in doubt, always choose accuracy.  That would leave me with Luck, then Wilson followed by RG3 and Kaepernick last.

 

Then why would you choose Luck?  He has a lower completion percentage than Sanchez and was 10 points lower than those other 3.

[#27TheDominator]

I stole this from somewhere else but it's a good template to work from if you want to debate which young QB you're taking to start a team. This is in terms of college prospects but the fact that we know a little bit more about these guys only helps imo. The problem is I think within each bullet you could make an argument.  Interestingly enough though, 'height' is not on the list. 

 

A Top 10 list of what NFL talent evaluators look for when figuring if a college passer has what it takes to succeed at the league's premier position. Info provided by Sports Illustrated May 1st, 2006 Issue :

QUARTERBACK CHECKLIST

#6 TOUGHNESS : Packers GM Tom Wolf, whom traded for Brett Favre in 1992 and later drafted Matt Hasselbeck in the 6th round in 1998, figured out Favre when, 31 days after stomach surgery, Favre took the field and led his college team, Southern Mississippi, to victory..
 

 

 

The guy that wrote the Right Stuff and Bonfire of the Vanities was the GM of the Packers?  When?

[#27TheDominator]

LOL, ya , I know, but felt we should have manuevered a bit to get him

 

Could you imagine the uproar on this board if we had traded up to draft a QB in the 3rd?  Could you imagine trading up in consecutive rounds?  This place would have exploded.  

 

Shoot this man.

 

Why?  Is he trying to sell us reasonably priced Uggs?