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#51 HessStation

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:23 PM

Ya bro lets harp on a typo you got me.

 

What typo?  No clue.  


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:25 PM

What typo?  No clue.  

 

 

It's okay you got him anyway.... because you are you... and he is, well... him.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:25 PM

Reading through that Top 10 list. Interestingly enough, all 4 guys almost carry all those attributes. 


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:25 PM

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What typo? No clue. [/quote

Instead of copying pasting why dot you explain why you take Luck over Wilson and what Luck does better?
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:26 PM

When in doubt, always choose accuracy.  That would leave me with Luck, then Wilson followed by RG3 and Kaepernick last.

 

Interesting...Luck had a 54% completion rate while Wilson had 64%, RG3 had 66% and Kaep had 62%.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:27 PM

Interesting...Luck had a 54% completion rate while Wilson had 64%, RG3 had 66% and Kaep had 62%.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:29 PM

It's okay you got him anyway.... because you are you... and he is, well... him.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:29 PM

When in doubt, always choose accuracy.  That would leave me with Luck, then Wilson followed by RG3 and Kaepernick last.

 

Then why would you choose Luck?  He has a lower completion percentage than Sanchez and was 10 points lower than those other 3.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:30 PM

I stole this from somewhere else but it's a good template to work from if you want to debate which young QB you're taking to start a team. This is in terms of college prospects but the fact that we know a little bit more about these guys only helps imo. The problem is I think within each bullet you could make an argument.  Interestingly enough though, 'height' is not on the list. 

 

A Top 10 list of what NFL talent evaluators look for when figuring if a college passer has what it takes to succeed at the league's premier position. Info provided by Sports Illustrated May 1st, 2006 Issue :



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#6 TOUGHNESS : Packers GM Tom Wolf, whom traded for Brett Favre in 1992 and later drafted Matt Hasselbeck in the 6th round in 1998, figured out Favre when, 31 days after stomach surgery, Favre took the field and led his college team, Southern Mississippi, to victory..
 

 

 

The guy that wrote the Right Stuff and Bonfire of the Vanities was the GM of the Packers?  When?


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:33 PM

LOL, ya , I know, but felt we should have manuevered a bit to get him :)

 

Could you imagine the uproar on this board if we had traded up to draft a QB in the 3rd?  Could you imagine trading up in consecutive rounds?  This place would have exploded.  

 

Shoot this man.

 

Why?  Is he trying to sell us reasonably priced Uggs?


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:38 PM

[quote name="HessStation" post="2237415" timestamp="1360949007"]
What typo? No clue. [/quote

Instead of copying pasting why dot you explain why you take Luck over Wilson and what Luck does better?

 

Seahawks did a fantastic job playing to Wilson's strengths this year. Constantly keeping him on the move, a lot of rolling out, p/a bootlegs, read option type stuff. Read option is still too new and shiny, if I'm building a team I'm not yet sold that it will sustain as a viable option in the NFL. Will Defenses eventually figure it out? None the less, by design, they had Wilson constantly throwing on the run. In years 2 or 3 will teams start to eventually catch up? Luck, on the other hand has all the tools and is by far the superior pocket passer. Both are incredibly accurate with strong arms. But nobody is going to surpass Luck on intelligence and reading defenses. Wilson is 5'10, 205 and Luck is 6'4 235. All 4 QBs are the hottest in the NFL right now. All look like they're going to be really good. 


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:44 PM

Interesting...Luck had a 54% completion rate while Wilson had 64%, RG3 had 66% and Kaep had 62%.

 

Luck threw it 627 times for 4,374 yards

Wilson 393 for 3,118

RG3 393 for 3,200 

Kaepernick 218 for 1,814


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:49 PM

Interesting...Luck had a 54% completion rate while Wilson had 64%, RG3 had 66% and Kaep had 62%.

 

So accuracy to you is a statistical measure?  To me it is about putting the all where it needs to be on all throws, not just dump offs and screen passes.  If you only believe in numbers, check Luck' college numbers for verfication of what I say.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:50 PM

Seahawks did a fantastic job playing to Wilson's strengths this year. Constantly keeping him on the move, a lot of rolling out, p/a bootlegs, read option type stuff. Read option is still too new and shiny, if I'm building a team I'm not yet sold that it will sustain as a viable option in the NFL. Will Defenses eventually figure it out? None the less, by design, they had Wilson constantly throwing on the run. In years 2 or 3 will teams start to eventually catch up? Luck, on the other hand has all the tools and is by far the superior pocket passer. Both are incredibly accurate with strong arms. But nobody is going to surpass Luck on intelligence and reading defenses. Wilson is 5'10, 205 and Luck is 6'4 235. All 4 QBs are the hottest in the NFL right now. All look like they're going to be really good. 

 

You on to something. And I agree to it to a certain extent. As the teams catch on to Wilson, he too will improve. Vick had his most productive season after being in the NFL for 10 years (including 2 in jail). Every team knows that if u take away his run game, he turns in to an average QB, yet he was very successful in 2010. Injuries are what has kept him from taking the next step.

 

We are really talking about if we want someone who is #1 or who is an A. They are two different types of QB and I think they both have huge potential. Difference of opinion, in my opinion.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 12:57 PM

So accuracy to you is a statistical measure?  To me it is about putting the all where it needs to be on all throws, not just dump offs and screen passes.  If you only believe in numbers, check Luck' college numbers for verfication of what I say.

 

Statistics do tell a lot of about accuracy. Its not the entire story, but when theres a huge difference, its significance needs to be mentioned. Their college numbers were very identical in 2011.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:00 PM

You on to something. And I agree to it to a certain extent. As the teams catch on to Wilson, he too will improve. Vick had his most productive season after being in the NFL for 10 years (including 2 in jail). Every team knows that if u take away his run game, he turns in to an average QB, yet he was very successful in 2010. Injuries are what has kept him from taking the next step.

We are really talking about if we want someone who is #1 or who is an A. They are two different types of QB and I think they both have huge potential. Difference of opinion, in my opinion.

exactly. We're only talking about 1 of 4 very good QBs.There a lot of risk taking Wilson. Same with RG3 as we've already seen it. But RG3 is at least 6'2. Tbh, factoring in all the risk/reward I'd probably go
Luck
Kaepernick
Then maybe Wilson but only bc RG3 is already hurt.

If the read option is eventually figured out and defenses figure out how to contain these mobile QBs, I need to rest my hat on having a pocket passer.
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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:00 PM

Luck threw it 627 times for 4,374 yards

Wilson 393 for 3,118

RG3 393 for 3,200 

Kaepernick 218 for 1,814

 

Are you highlighting how Luck passed for more yards. I already discussed that. His run game was below average so the Colt relied on passing game. Wilson had a very good run game and took early leads in games and never looked back (for the most part). Wilson's TD to Pass attempt ratio is almost half of Luck's.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:04 PM

Are you highlighting how Luck passed for more yards. I already discussed that. His run game was below average so the Colt relied on passing game. Wilson had a very good run game and took early leads in games and never looked back (for the most part). Wilson's TD to Pass attempt ratio is almost half of Luck's.

No, I follow you. Just showing the bigger picture. Can't deny or omit the %'s. But there's more to it such as attempts and yards. That said, there's more to that than just attempts and yards. There's a slew of tangibles (tds/ints etc)...and intangibles.  (system/surrounding talent/coaching etc etc.)


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:06 PM

The guy that wrote the Right Stuff and Bonfire of the Vanities was the GM of the Packers?  When?

LOL nice catch!!!


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:06 PM

exactly. We're only talking about 1 of 4 very good QBs.There a lot of risk taking Wilson. Same with RG3 as we've already seen it. But RG3 is at least 6'2. Tbh, factoring in all the risk/reward I'd probably go
Luck
Kaepernick
Then maybe Wilson but only bc RG3 is already hurt.

If the read option is eventually figured out and defenses figure out how to contain these mobile QBs, I need to rest my hat on having a pocket passer.

 

Wilson may not be ur typical pocket passer, but he's not a Vick version 2.0 either. He'll stay in the pocket to make plays but if its not there, he'll roll out. If he sees an opening, he'll take off. I don't think he premeditates which plays to run on. So far, he's been really good at deciding when to take off running.

 

I love RG3 and would take him over any QB in the NFL, but his problem will be the same as Vick's, staying healthy. For that reason alone, I'd go with Wilson, who is a safer pick than RG3. RG3 can be careless with himself at times, just like Vick.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:08 PM

Wilson may not be ur typical pocket passer, but he's not a Vick version 2.0 either. He'll stay in the pocket to make plays but if its not there, he'll roll out. If he sees an opening, he'll take off. I don't think he premeditates which plays to run on. So far, he's been really good at deciding when to take off running.

 

I love RG3 and would take him over any QB in the NFL, but his problem will be the same as Vick's, staying healthy. For that reason alone, I'd go with Wilson, who is a safer pick than RG3. RG3 can be careless with himself at times, just like Vick.

If RG3 were 100% healthy I'd take him over Wilson. Post injury though, I'd probably go with Wilson. 


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:10 PM

Might end up being tougher for RG3 who plays outside and in a lot of cold weather stadiums in a very physical division. Kaepernick in sunny San Fran and Luck and Wilson in a dome. He's already slightly handicapped vs. the other 3 given that situation, if we're comparing the 4. 


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:13 PM

^Exactly. If RG3 stays healthy, he'll be the cream of the crop. That's a huge IF.


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:20 PM

Might end up being tougher for RG3 who plays outside and in a lot of cold weather stadiums in a very physical division. Kaepernick in sunny San Fran and Luck and Wilson in a dome. He's already slightly handicapped vs. the other 3 given that situation, if we're comparing the 4. 

 

Wilson doesnt play in a dome.  


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 01:26 PM

Really going out on a limb there.

 

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