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[CrazyCarl40]

Pretty much, but I expect to be right once again.

Edit: I sat on this extremely well thought out reply for so long that Sperm beat me by 9 minutes. Seriously THO, some of you guys preaching "watch football" have clearly not seen RG3 pass very often.

I've seen him play plenty. He isn't as accurate as Kaepernick.

[CrazyCarl40]

Garçon hardly played until late November. I saw a lot of his games this year and saw a whole lot of throws that were right on the money. Other than a healthy Garçon, which he didn't have much of, his receivers suck. Josh Morgan is much worse than Justin McCareins. Fred Davis is worse than Dustin Keller (for the half-dozen games he was there for). Santana Moss is a has-been. Aldrick Robinson is a total nothing. Leonard Hankerson has some talent but still isn't as productive as Jeremy Kerley.

Nobody gets that lucky over a 15-game stretch to complete 2/3 of his passes with a 4:1 TD:INT ratio. And unlike every other QB with that type of completion percentage, only about 20 of those completions went to his backs. How many times have you seen that before? I've never seen it.

Now throw in on top of that stat, that (among QBs who attempted 300 passes) his receivers were either #1 or #2 most likely in the NFL to drop passes. About 1 out of 5 of RGIII's incomplete passes were receiver drops, even when you factor in killing the clock and purposeful throws out of bounds.

And he's still the least of the four that I'd rather have. I'd much rather have Kaepernick, Luck or Wilson going forward and that was before the mismanagement of his mangled knee.

Listen, I don't have a dog in this fight because none of them play for the Jets so I don't watch them for 16 games. From the games and highlights I've seen, RGIII was the least impressive to me. Alfred Morris was way more important to that team than RGIII. The Redskins offense skipped no beats when the backup went in for the most part because of that running game. I doubt the same would be said about the other three offenses, especially since Kaepernick was the backup and the offense saw a solid uptick in production.

[Sperm Edwards]

And he's still the least of the four that I'd rather have. I'd much rather have Kaepernick, Luck or Wilson going forward and that was before the mismanagement of his mangled knee.

Listen, I don't have a dog in this fight because none of them play for the Jets so I don't watch them for 16 games. From the games and highlights I've seen, RGIII was the least impressive to me. Alfred Morris was way more important to that team than RGIII. The Redskins offense skipped no beats when the backup went in for the most part because of that running game. I doubt the same would be said about the other three offenses, especially since Kaepernick was the backup and the offense saw a solid uptick in production.

 

Well, we just differ on that opinion, as we differed on Sanchez.  I think it's RGIII's running around and passing deep that left a lot of room for Morris to run.  Morris looked really good, but I saw an awful lot of runs where no one touched him for a bit and while he does have quick feet cutting-wise, he's no burner by any means.  Those first 10 games of the season he had under 80 yards in half those games and had 20 touches in less than even that.

 

I don't have a dog in this fight either, but when RGIII was out, Morris didn't look so awesome, so I don't know what you're talking about on that point.

 

I'd be happy with any of these QBs over our stiff that you had such praise (or excuses) for.

[T0mShane]

I need to know what Chet Hale thinks.

[Blackout]

i'd take Russell over all

 

 

RG3 over Luck and Kaepernick short term but probably both of them over him long term

[Thai Jet]

And thus this is the reason that Tanny is no longer a GM in this league. Every time he opens his mouth he just reminds everyone that he is a poor judge of talent. Luck is in a class by himself. He'll have a Peyton like career. While I really like Kap those running skills will be defensed better once those skills slightly fade. Same with Wilson and RG3.

[T0mShane]

And thus this is the reason that Tanny is no longer a GM in this league. Every time he opens his mouth he just reminds everyone that he is a poor judge of talent. Luck is in a class by himself. He'll have a Peyton like career. While I really like Kap those running skills will be defensed better once those skills slightly fade. Same with Wilson and RG3.

I think that's the question--if you take the running ability away, which quarterbacks would you want?

[Matt39]

I think that's the question--if you take the running ability away, which quarterbacks would you want?

 

I was more impressed with Wilson's in pocket ability than Lucks late in the season. No one was calmer than Russell...Luck had the happy feet going.

 

Hell, we made Luck look awful this year.

Edited by Matt39, 18 February 2013 - 10:37 AM.

[unbanmadmike1]

OF COURSE the incompetent fool would rather have the guy with BY FAR the worst physical skills of any of those players. Thats why he drafted Mark Sanchez!!!!

[Matt39]

OF COURSE the incompetent fool would rather have the guy with BY FAR the worst physical skills of any of those players. Thats why he drafted Mark Sanchez!!!!

 

Why because he's short? He's got a better arm than Luck.

[unbanmadmike1]

Why because he's short? He's got a better arm than Luck.

No he doesn't lol. 

[Matt39]

No he doesn't lol. 

 

Luck probably has the weakest arm of the four.

[unbanmadmike1]

Luck probably has the weakest arm of the four.

3rd of those 4... though he's probably the most accurate of the 4 and his arm is still well above average. It'd still take him above the other 3. 

[Matt39]

3rd of those 4... though he's probably the most accurate of the 4 and his arm is still well above average. It'd still take him above the other 3. 

 

I don't think you can go wrong with any of them...RG3 scares me because of his style....but I think all four proved they can be legit pocket passers if need be. Cam too.

 

Wilson's game against the Falcons I thought was absurd....so maybe that's clouding my judgement a little because its the last game any of those guys played....but from a rookie that's as good as it gets

[unbanmadmike1]

I don't think you can go wrong with any of them...RG3 scares me because of his style....but I think all four proved they can be legit pocket passers if need be. Cam too.

 

Wilson's game against the Falcons I thought was absurd....so maybe that's clouding my judgement a little because its the last game any of those guys played....but from a rookie that's as good as it gets

I'd go:

 

Luck

Kapernick

Wilson 

RG3

 

Only because of RG3's style of play. 

[SenorGato]

If I can add Cam Newton then:

Luck



Newton
RG3



Wilson







Kaepernick

[Jetsfan80]

Tanny is going out of his way to make sure he never gets another job.

 

If he really felt this way, why didn't he draft Russell Wilson?

 

F***ing this.  Obviously he REALLY felt that you should build your franchise around incumbent starter Mark Sanchez rather than Russell Wilson or he wouldn't be a Seahawk.

[Jetsfan80]

Also, all 4 QB's are pretty f***ing awesome, so who really cares which one someone would choose?  At this point, does it really look like any of them won't have success in the league for a long time (if healthy)?

 

Plus, 2 of them weren't 1st round picks.  So, yeah, let's get someone like any one of those 4.

Edited by Jetsfan80, 18 February 2013 - 12:59 PM.

[CrazyCarl40]

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LOL

[T0mShane]

I was more impressed with Wilson's in pocket ability than Lucks late in the season. No one was calmer than Russell...Luck had the happy feet going.

Hell, we made Luck look awful this year.

I'm probably just prejudiced by history, but the guys who win are the ones who stay in the pocket and spread the ball around. The mobile dudes get in the playoffs limping or near death. I like Wilson, and I'm not trying to say he's a running QB, but he does scramble and he is tiny, which affects my vote. I don't think the pistol is long for the NFL, so everyone running it today is at a disadvantage. If you ask me which guy will make that transition faster, I have to go with Kaepernick. Bigger, huge arm, great coach teaching him the fundamentals.