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Then why even bring it up and tell me to imagine it? 
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
Um, what? Who have the Ravens lost but old guys and role players? 

 

  There is no need to comment anymore on anything you say with things like this.    Yeah the Ravens didn't need any of the players that just helped them win a super bowl.  Yeah ok..     

 

  Boldin only had 100+ receiving yards in the super bowl and a TD.  

He had  2 TDs in the AFC Championship game.      Yeah not important at all.

 

Kruger had 9 Sacks during the season and sacked Kapernick 2 times in the super bowl.   And he's only 27.  

Yeah not important to them at all.

 

Ed Reed is old but was a leader on that team.   They lost a LB who played an important part of their team.

 

    If you consider all these guys nothing more than role players and no big deal,  how is Revis worth anything to you, considering he hasn't won a damn thing whereas Boldin just helped one team win a super bowl and helped another team a few years back get to a super bowl.

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Yeah, having a SB ring doesn't make you better as a player. As of this point in time Revis is a better player than all those now ex-Ravens put together.

"Only" 27 btw means more in the non-sports world. Kruger is in the middle of his best years as an athlete and got himself complimentary LB money off of one good year. Sounds like Calvin Pace or Bryan Thomas to me - complimentary players. He's all of two years younger than the exponentially better Terrell Suggs, someone the Ravens made sure to pay.

What was this important role Ellerbe played worth matching that Dolphins deal anyway? The "make sure Lewis doesn't get tired" role? He's a dime a dozen LB.

Now if Flacco stopped them from paying Suggs....Ngata....Yanda...then there would be a real issue, but no worries there. The Ravens aren't losing anyone they can't afford to lose.

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Yeah, having a SB ring doesn't make you better as a player. As of this point in time Revis is a better player than all those now ex-Ravens put together.

"Only" 27 btw means more in the non-sports world. Kruger is in the middle of his best years as an athlete and got himself complimentary LB money off of one good year. Sounds like Calvin Pace or Bryan Thomas to me - complimentary players. He's all of two years younger than the exponentially better Terrell Suggs, someone the Ravens made sure to pay.

What was this important role Ellerbe played worth matching that Dolphins deal anyway? The "make sure Lewis doesn't get tired" role? He's a dime a dozen LB.

Now if Flacco stopped them from paying Suggs....Ngata....Yanda...then there would be a real issue, but no worries there. The Ravens aren't losing anyone they can't afford to lose.

   

  Boldin helped the team win a super bowl.  It wasn't like he was along for the ride.   It's funny how you just dismiss a guy like that and then think Revis is worth being paid like a QB.  Because the truth is, the Jets went 8-8 with Revis,  they went 6-10 without him.   Either way, they were not a playoff team the past two seasons.

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I never said Boldin was along for the ride. Like I might have said earlier, the only reason he even had trade value was the playoff run. Otherwise the Ravens just go ahead and cut him.

I never said to pay Revis QB money, though he is worth it until you point out this big money QB the Jets miss because of him. The truth is that your way of thinking as far as building a quality and high quality NFL roster requires an upgrade in many ways. I mean that in the nicest way possible. Everything you say might be more plausible if this QB money stuff you speak of could be applied specifically to the Jets and not as a general rule of thumb. That whole giant sized chunk of yours and many other's argument requires this 20 million dollar genie to appear as a Jet costing 20 million to start. That's ignoring this laughable (and way over parroted and under explained) notion that CBs aren't a priority, impact position in today's NFL as the game is played on the field and not in fantasy leagues and headlines. This is with full acknowledgement of the power of the QB position.

Same argument. Same points. It's 5 AM. No estoy normalo.

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The silly stance is that someone has to be paid star/HOF QB money, and if the Jets don't have a star QB then they should pay that amount to someone else.  Many would argue that, particularly in the absence of a stud QB, they need good players at many positions and not just one super-stud who (when he last commented on the subject) has said he should be paid double his teammate who is also top-5 at his position.

 

If Revis has come off that stance - correction: significantly come off that stance - and we can again insert language into a new contract that costs Revis significantly for holding out, then IMO we should extend him.

 

Instead we have to deal with these conspiracy theory models that claim:

  • Revis doesn't actually want the compensation he's stated he wants; an amount or range he has never stated or even hinted he will accept less than.
  • Revis wouldn't hold out the year after getting a significant bonus that is meant to be amortized over future year(s) of a contract even though he's done it twice already.
  • We haven't traded Revis yet because the Jets have been unreasonable in their demands despite receiving fair compensation offers for Revis. Compensation offers that, if/when accepted, would be mocked by these conspiracy theory authors as inadequate for a player like Revis.  
  • Dozens teams who have expressed no interest in Revis actually are interested because we can't know for sure that they aren't.  
  • We must ignore what we are seeing when teams sign other CBs - good ones - for 1/3 of the most recent demand from Revis's own mouth, as well as the outright release of the only other CB who was making Revis money (an amount Revis has stated he wants to exceed by over 30% anyway).  These teams are all secretly negotiating with the Jets because they are all interested in giving up draft picks for the privilege of spending time negotiating with Revis in the opening days of free agency.

All of this is somehow far more believable than a situation consistent with events as they seem to have unfolded over the past recent weeks:

  • Jets are or have been actively shopping Revis because they don't want to pay him the amount he wants to be paid.  Particularly when they've been trying to dump salary while rebuilding with no QB, and with Revis coming off a serious injury.
  • Even if they could agree on a number, the Jets don't trust Revis not to hold out right after the front-loaded bonus portion of the contract has been paid.  
  • While spending time wrangling over negotiations, first with the Jets and then with Revis, teams aren't spending that time negotiating with other desirable free agents who are disappearing from the available-ranks almost hourly.
  • With all of the above taken into consideration, very few teams - perhaps only 1 or 2 - are interested in all of the following:
    • (1) paying the Jets the trade compensation required to get Revis, coming off an ACL injury, that (more or less) includes a round 1 pick in 2013 and a round 2 pick or better in 2014
    • (2) paying Revis the mega-deal it would take to sign him
    • (3) trust that Revis's two actual holdouts and one more desired holdout with the Jets wouldn't happen just as quickly to them.

Throw in a some pissedoff'dness by the owner over the last Revis holdout and there you have it; nevermind that Woody wouldn't flinch at cutting a player who doesn't have Revis's leverage and who therefore couldn't use it in the manner Revis has in the past.  No employer likes an employee exercising his leverage over the employer, let alone when it is done publicly in the world's media capital.

 

 

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So basically he wanted the same thing an NFL team would want...to be able to duck out early on a contract that displeased him. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. For every Revis there are dozens and dozens and Bart Scotts, guy who have to be good, grateful boys to get in the vicinity of their total contract value. 

 

Bold: How do you know that they aren't? Why would any of us be privy to this information? Future 2 that might be a future 1 and a 4 is hardly a large offer. It's entirely possible that offer has been beat and is still not what the Jets want.

 

Indirectly

 

This comment points to the fact that you and Revis look at contracts the same way.  The signing bonus is a gift, and only represents compensation for the moment it was given.  NFL teams can terminate a contract at any time, but in conjunction with that right, they are forced to abandon the pro-rated portion of the signing bonus against their cap, and never actually get that value from the player either.  When a player gets a bonus at the front end, it is for signing the FULL contract, even if it can be terminated.  They don't get that bonus for the first year, and then get another one next year.  What Revis seemingly wants, based on his past dealings, is a high base salary and a new signing bonus all the time.  Double dipping.  You don't hear him offering to pay back a portion of the signing bonus because he is unhappy and wants to start fresh.  He just wants more new money without earning the terms of money already paid.

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This comment points to the fact that you and Revis look at contracts the same way.  The signing bonus is a gift, and only represents compensation for the moment it was given.  NFL teams can terminate a contract at any time, but in conjunction with that right, they are forced to abandon the pro-rated portion of the signing bonus against their cap, and never actually get that value from the player either.  When a player gets a bonus at the front end, it is for signing the FULL contract, even if it can be terminated.  They don't get that bonus for the first year, and then get another one next year.  What Revis seemingly wants, based on his past dealings, is a high base salary and a new signing bonus all the time.  Double dipping.  You don't hear him offering to pay back a portion of the signing bonus because he is unhappy and wants to start fresh.  He just wants more new money without earning the terms of money already paid.

 

You fool.  The Jets paid Revis $24M (or whatever it was) in 2011 just for playing in 2011.  Can't you see that?

 

That was in the past, and therefore his $8M salary in 2012 was woefully inadequate.  That mean Mike Tannenbaum and ultra-cheap Woody Johnson (who prevented MT from handing out lots of enormous contracts year after year, as well as building a cheap and woefully inadequate facility for the team) backed out on the handshake agreement to give Revis new $32M contracts every other year with heavy guaranteed and bonus money.  

 

Revis earrrrrrrrned getting that 2nd contract torn up also.  It was the Jets privilege to pay him $32M over 2 years while he was out of shape or injured for 25% of it, and probably drafted Kyle Wilson at least in part in anticipation of said holdout.  Then the 2 games we got out of Revis the following year, cut short by his ACL injury, were sublime.  How could the Jets not see the value they've gotten out of this contract with Revis? How can the Jets (or any of 31 other teams) not salivate at the opportunity to give him an even richer one now (and pass on 2 high draft picks for that privilege)?

 

Reasonable demands: re-sign him.

 

Cuckoo demands: trade him for whatever we can get.  

 

There is zero chance of the Jets winning the SB this year, so I'm not seeing the great value in bypassing on trade compensation (as well as clearing $9M of 2014 cap space) so we can fail to get a SB ring with him for 1 more season instead of failing to get one without him.  The #1 pick in round 4 of the 2015 draft, following a $9M donut hole in our 2014 cap, is by far the most inadequate compensation I can imagine. 

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This comment points to the fact that you and Revis look at contracts the same way. The signing bonus is a gift, and only represents compensation for the moment it was given. NFL teams can terminate a contract at any time, but in conjunction with that right, they are forced to abandon the pro-rated portion of the signing bonus against their cap, and never actually get that value from the player either. When a player gets a bonus at the front end, it is for signing the FULL contract, even if it can be terminated. They don't get that bonus for the first year, and then get another one next year. What Revis seemingly wants, based on his past dealings, is a high base salary and a new signing bonus all the time. Double dipping. You don't hear him offering to pay back a portion of the signing bonus because he is unhappy and wants to start fresh. He just wants more new money without earning the terms of money already paid.

To be fair the real issue was that somehow Revis would be pissed the Jets gave him 25 because he said "no comment" when asked if he would hold out in 2012. Even you say it yourself...what he seemingly wants....because the whole thing is carried by things he said in...sh*t in previous YEARS under different circumstances. I'm also not understanding - what didn't he earn?

Sperm, Revis did earn that second contract getting torn up. He did nothing unexpected under that deal except get injured in 2012. He's not a 6 million dollar player and even the Jets knew that (only way it happened is if he did something stupid). Also, I thought the Jets only had one suitor offering a 2014 2 and 2013 4. Those are two high draft picks now?

The Jets have failed to get to the Super Bowl over 40 times without Revis btw. Half a game of football away, twice, with him while paying a non-20 million dollar QB (who also happened to suck).

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To be fair the real issue was that somehow Revis would be pissed the Jets gave him 25 because he said "no comment" when asked if he would hold out in 2012. Even you say it yourself...what he seemingly wants....because the whole thing is carried by things he said in...sh*t in previous YEARS under different circumstances. I'm also not understanding - what didn't he earn?

Sperm, Revis did earn that second contract getting torn up. He did nothing unexpected under that deal except get injured in 2012. He's not a 6 million dollar player and even the Jets knew that (only way it happened is if he did something stupid). Also, I thought the Jets only had one suitor offering a 2014 2 and 2013 4. Those are two high draft picks now?

The Jets have failed to get to the Super Bowl over 40 times without Revis btw. Half a game of football away, twice, with him while paying a non-20 million dollar QB (who also happened to suck).

 

What Revis did not earn is the full value signing bonus.  A signing bonus is given as a bonus for signing the whole contract, not as a gift for the 1st year (or 2 years).  Revis, and it seems like you as well, are treating the signing bonus as a gift.  As in, not relevant to the actual compensation of the deal.  In other words, if a deal is structured to be 10M/10M/4M/7M/3M along with a 20M signing bonus, that signing bonus is for the whole deal.  In year 3, bailing on the contract and keeping the money is treating it like you were offered 40M for 2 years, which is exactly what Revis is doing, and not what he was given that bonus for, therefore, he's dealing in bad faith.  The only reason the additional 20M was given, as part of a signing bonus, was in consideration of the whole deal, and often as protection for a player should that deal have been reversed to 3M/7M/4M/10M/10M, so that the team that cuts him doesn't get away with taking 3 years at a discount and never getting to the big portion of the deal.

 

As for what Revis "seemingly wants", if there were a gross miscalculation by the fans and the media, don't you think it would be in the Revis camp's best interest to right that?  To say, "hey, we're only looking for a deal averaging 10M per?"  Thereby, either getting that deal to retire a Jet, or bringing more suitors into the ring.

 

Revis is NOT a 6M player, as you say.  But any years base salary is not all that should be considered in these conversations.  Signing bonus, other guarantees, and the way the contract was structured for the sake of the salary cap must be factored in.  For instance, this season, even if the Jets extend Revis, it's likely that his base salary will remain around that 6M, just due to cap space.  That doesn't make him a 6M player, that just means that's how the team structured the overall deal.

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As for what Revis "seemingly wants", if there were a gross miscalculation by the fans and the media, don't you think it would be in the Revis camp's best interest to right that?  To say, "hey, we're only looking for a deal averaging 10M per?"  Thereby, either getting that deal to retire a Jet, or bringing more suitors into the ring.

 

 

Not in the slightest, no. Why would he start at 10 million to get 10 million? There's certainly no reason to start lower either. If the Jets really want it and he really wants 10 million, they will get to 10 million. 

 

What Revis did not earn is the full value signing bonus.  A signing bonus is given as a bonus for signing the whole contract, not as a gift for the 1st year (or 2 years).  Revis, and it seems like you as well, are treating the signing bonus as a gift.  As in, not relevant to the actual compensation of the deal.  In other words, if a deal is structured to be 10M/10M/4M/7M/3M along with a 20M signing bonus, that signing bonus is for the whole deal.  In year 3, bailing on the contract and keeping the money is treating it like you were offered 40M for 2 years, which is exactly what Revis is doing, and not what he was given that bonus for, therefore, he's dealing in bad faith.  The only reason the additional 20M was given, as part of a signing bonus, was in consideration of the whole deal, and often as protection for a player should that deal have been reversed to 3M/7M/4M/10M/10M, so that the team that cuts him doesn't get away with taking 3 years at a discount and never getting to the big portion of the deal.

 

You say the signing bonus is for the whole deal - how many players survive their whole deal? Does Scott owe the Jets money because his signing bonus was for the whole deal and they chose to cut him in year 5 of 6 or does it only count when the player doesn't hold up the contract? If a team thinks Revis would do that - why not spread the guaranteed money? Were the Jets blind sided by Revis looking for an extension this year? Nope. They wrote his last contract arguably fully expecting this situation in 2013, hence "no comment" and an injury being the big Revis stories over the past 3 years. The real reason that 20 million, or any signing bonus in this league, is given is because an NFL player is pretty much ******* himself by not getting any guaranteed money otherwise. A contract with no signing bonus is basically saying "I accept that you can cut me in year 2 of 6 without any issue, and I only see year 1's salary." No player would do that. I mean seriously...the fact that it's even possible to reserve the contract at all says everything about the kind of faith Revis is negotiating against. 

 

Basically, what you guys are saying is that the only people obligated to live up to the contracts are NFL players in the NFL. Teams are only doing what is best for them when cutting a player after the guarantees are up, while players should just be happy to be given the opportunity to make millions playing a game. 

 

 

 

Revis is NOT a 6M player, as you say.  But any years base salary is not all that should be considered in these conversations.  Signing bonus, other guarantees, and the way the contract was structured for the sake of the salary cap must be factored in.  For instance, this season, even if the Jets extend Revis, it's likely that his base salary will remain around that 6M, just due to cap space.  That doesn't make him a 6M player, that just means that's how the team structured the overall deal.

 

 

 
Don't disagree at all. Revis would be getting about 9 million if he had bit on Tannenbaum's cyanide pill (that extra 3 million btw is from the 2011 option - so should we count that twice if we're going to hold him to 24/25 in 2011?). He's still better than a 9 million player. Brandon Marshall makes 9 million. Revis is better than Marshall. Hell, I would take him over some 15 million a year QBs (Revis and Bradford), though obviously like any Jets fan I would prefer he costs less. 
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Not in the slightest, no. Why would he start at 10 million to get 10 million? There's certainly no reason to start lower either. If the Jets really want it and he really wants 10 million, they will get to 10 million. 

 

 

You say the signing bonus is for the whole deal - how many players survive their whole deal? Does Scott owe the Jets money because his signing bonus was for the whole deal and they chose to cut him in year 5 of 6 or does it only count when the player doesn't hold up the contract? If a team thinks Revis would do that - why not spread the guaranteed money? Were the Jets blind sided by Revis looking for an extension this year? Nope. They wrote his last contract arguably fully expecting this situation in 2013, hence "no comment" and an injury being the big Revis stories over the past 3 years. The real reason that 20 million, or any signing bonus in this league, is given is because an NFL player is pretty much ******* himself by not getting any guaranteed money otherwise. A contract with no signing bonus is basically saying "I accept that you can cut me in year 2 of 6 without any issue, and I only see year 1's salary." No player would do that. I mean seriously...the fact that it's even possible to reserve the contract at all says everything about the kind of faith Revis is negotiating against. 

 

Basically, what you guys are saying is that the only people obligated to live up to the contracts are NFL players in the NFL. Teams are only doing what is best for them when cutting a player after the guarantees are up, while players should just be happy to be given the opportunity to make millions playing a game. 

 

 

 

 

 
Don't disagree at all. Revis would be getting about 9 million if he had bit on Tannenbaum's cyanide pill (that extra 3 million btw is from the 2011 option - so should we count that twice if we're going to hold him to 24/25 in 2011?). He's still better than a 9 million player. Brandon Marshall makes 9 million. Revis is better than Marshall. Hell, I would take him over some 15 million a year QBs (Revis and Bradford), though obviously like any Jets fan I would prefer he costs less. 

 

Revis's camp may not be looking to say "we're only looking for 10M", but if they weren't looking for the cap destroying mega deal that everyone thinks they are, I'm sure they'd float that information.  If nothing else, it would get more trade partners.  Revis is going to get paid, but the fear is he's being irrational/greedy.  He's done nothing to assuage that.

 

Your Bart Scott point proves my point about the signing bonus perfectly, so thanks.  Because the Jets cut Scott, he gets that money without having to play for it.  As for Revis, sure, spread out the guaranteed money if you like... But, he'd have to be willing to take no signing bonus for that to make sense... Sell him that...

 

The teams and the player are both obligated to uphold the terms of an NFL contract.  But, part of the terms of an NFL contract is that the team can cut the player.  If you want to change this, you need fully guaranteed contracts, like the MLB or the NBA, but then signing bonuses and upfront money are insignificant or non-existent.  The NFL has signing bonuses and no guarantees.  There's no model for what Revis wants/you're advocating for, which is big signing bonuses, and then big money each year.

 

Revis isn't doing anything wrong right now.  He's looking for an extension that his contract right now dictates he should get.  The problem is that his most recent comments dictate that he wants an absurd amount of money and his history also shows he will likely hold out again.  If Revis can be extended at a price that's fair, I'd be all for it.  Ultimately, my preferences are as follows:

 

1) Trade Revis for a great package of picks (this is 1 because I believe the Jets will be non-competitive for at least the 1st, maybe the 2nd year of his deal, and I'd rather build for the future.

2) Extend Revis as the highest paid CB, but not by an absurd amount.

3) Trade Revis for a mediocre package (save the money, get the picks, move towards the future).

4) Pay Revis what he has asked for in the past, and what he's yet to deny he wants.

 

Ultimately, since 1 is unlikely, I'm fine with 2, and hopeful that the other CBs who sign this year will set the market and and Revis will get a "respectful" increase above them without it being cap-busting.

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The teams and the player are both obligated to uphold the terms of an NFL contract.  But, part of the terms of an NFL contract is that the team can cut the player.  If you want to change this, you need fully guaranteed contracts, like the MLB or the NBA, but then signing bonuses and upfront money are insignificant or non-existent.  The NFL has signing bonuses and no guarantees.  There's no model for what Revis wants/you're advocating for, which is big signing bonuses, and then big money each year.

 

 

 
 
Hence why Revis does work on the football *and* business side as a player.I bet 10/10 NFL players would prefer their contracts guaranteed and insignificant signing bonuses to how the NFL does it. Revis just happens to be one of the few who found some kind of way to come close. The Jets worked with it before because he is that good of a player, and if other teams don't feel like meeting extremely high demands in a trade there's nothing to do but extend him. He's a building block, and a significant one at that. 
 

Revis's camp may not be looking to say "we're only looking for 10M", but if they weren't looking for the cap destroying mega deal that everyone thinks they are, I'm sure they'd float that information.  If nothing else, it would get more trade partners.  Revis is going to get paid, but the fear is he's being irrational/greedy.  He's done nothing to assuage that.
 

Not his job and from what he said (he wants to stay a Jet) it's not really on his agenda. Why would he want to be a 10 million dollar player on the open or trade market anyway? He's only worth a million more than Brandon Marshall? What franchise wouldn't take Revis at 10 million a year for a first or two? 

 

The fear is overblown, ever present in everything related to this franchise anyway, and he doesn't have to do anything to assuage that but be willing to talk to the Jets. The Jets have been similarly cold by putting him on the trade market and then letting the one offer that leaks be the 2014 2nd/option1st and 2013 4th obvious lowball. Dirty stuff happens when people are making the ****y ****y. 

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Chase Daniel's (I think it was him) agent placed a provision in his contract, that if he was to throw for over 2,000 yards and 12 TDs in any season (basically, become the starter) that his contract would be voided and set for renewed terms.  I thought that was brilliant. 

 

I don't understand why we can't do the same thing with Revis.  Determine his asking price, see if it is really $16M or if it's closer to $12M,  and then design some terms that will base his 2014 pay off of his ability to come back healthy...then we can trade him AND his contract to a team who will fully understand what they are getting. 

Greenseed, the answer to that question is simple;  His agents want their money UP-FRONT.

 

Just as they did when Revis sat out training camp 2-years ago, they were more interested in getting paid & allowed for the stipulation in his contract over the final year (If he sits out/Contract gets Auto-Extention for 2-Years as a "Restrictive" Free Agent).

 

That move put a hold on any leverage they had through the last year of his contract & to any team the Jets trade him to.

 

They also know that any team (Including the Jets) will extend that "Sit out" stipulation into any contract that is written from this point onward.

 

In simple terms;

  1. They just want to get paid, paid big & paid now.
  2. They will not accept any contract that creates terms based on performance
  3. See term 1.

This also makes me wonder why (With Tampa stating that they would accept a trade for their #1 Pick this morning [http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2013/03/darrelle_revis_trade_tampa_bay.html]) The Jets have stalled on this trade...

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