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The OK draft Tavon Austin at 9 I don't care if he's small thread


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#1 T0mShane

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:12 PM

 

 

 

That's his highlight package from when he destroyed Oklahoma--the game you keep seeing the scouts freak out about on Twitter. Austin outright abuses a defense that includes a buch of NFL players on it. Just silly levels of quickness. Like, Madden-level stupid.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:18 PM


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:18 PM

Ha. Lo and behold, Walter Football mocks him to the Jets today.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 12:48 AM

That's his highlight package from when he destroyed Oklahoma--the game you keep seeing the scouts freak out about on Twitter. Austin outright abuses a defense that includes a buch of NFL players on it. Just silly levels of quickness. Like, Madden-level stupid.

 

That video is straight up bonkers right there. He must have broken or avoided 50 or more tackles in that one game alone. I can't say that I would be disappointed with this pick.

 

He does look like a slot receiver more than anything though, and we do already have Kerley there. Kerley has been surprisingly good. If I recall, 8 games into the season he was on pace for a 1,000 yard season which is hard to imagine with Sanchez throwing to him. Draft profile says Austin played some RB, too. So maybe we can use him as an RB/WR hybrid like Dexter McCluster. Works in a WCO if I remember right... spread the field and get the yards after catch. He could be a real weapon out of the backfield, on swings/screens, etc. Probably can't block for crap though.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 12:51 AM

Walter's draft isn't worth following til draft time in which he can follow the trend and rumors of others. He mocks now consist of his tweeter box. lol. Also Austins has been slotted as high a the Dolphins. After the FA we know for sure he's not going to be a Phins. The next suitor is the Rams at 16. So some trading down would have to be done if that's the route.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 12:53 AM

Walter's draft isn't worth following til draft time in which he can follow the trend and rumors of others. He mocks now consist of his tweeter box. lol. Also Austins has been slotted as high a the Dolphins. After the FA we know for sure he's not going to be a Phins. The next suitor is the Rams at 16. So some trading down would have to be done if that's the route.

 

Trading down to 16, getting this guy and picking up a mid 2nd round pick or a 3rd and a 4th would be awesome.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 03:45 AM

No downfield blocking ability. Pass. And yes, I did wake up at 4:45 to post this. Thank you for noticing.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 05:02 AM

What need does he fill?  We already have an undersized slot guy and a pretty good kick returner.  Not sure this makes too much sense.  If you want to argue WR is a position of need, I won't deny that, but there are more pressing needs than this guy for sure. I just don't see it happening.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:19 AM

For our QB's be like trying to shoot a fly with a B B gun. Pass.  


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:41 AM

What need does he fill?  We already have an undersized slot guy and a pretty good kick returner.  Not sure this makes too much sense.  If you want to argue WR is a position of need, I won't deny that, but there are more pressing needs than this guy for sure. I just don't see it happening.

I was thinking the same thing. But on the other hand, I don't see how you pass on a talent like this, basically Percy Harvin on a rookie contract, for a guard or a Barkevious Mingo in the first round just because you have a need at that position this year.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 07:02 AM

He's the best WR in the class IMO. Patterson an Hunter both drop balls, Allen is an average athlete.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 07:08 AM

Good points. I love that Gastineau Lives was up at 4:45 thinking about this.


My thoughts, most of which are not original:

1. He's not just a slot receiver because he has sick vertical speed. Slot guys are slot guys because they're quicker than they are fast a la Welker and Kerley.

2. In the absence of the big QB, the Jets offense needs to find guys that can make touchdowns happen by themselves. Austin can clearly do that. I also think Cordarelle Patterson is that type of guy--someone who can make people miss, then get down the field.

3. Austin is small, but he's thick. Look at how many tackles he runs through in those videos. You also don't see him taking many big hits because he's so elusive. I think he'll be able to protect himself well enough to avoid injury.

4. Our division is filled with big secondaries, for which Austin will be a matchup nightmare, the same way that Desean Jackson feasts on the lumbering corners in the NFC East. Whatever team drafts Austin, every other team in that division is going to have to draft a corner specifically to deal with him.

5. The only time Sanchez looked like an NFL player last year was when he was throwing to Jeremy Kerley. As with Kerley, it doesn't matter how big you are if you're open. A quarterback can complete a pass to an open 5'8 guy a lot easier than he can to a covered 6'4 guy.

6. Will he block? No. But will his presence on the field ensure that every safety in the league's first step goes downfield at the snap? Yes.

7. Santonio Holmes is gone after this year. Practically a lock.

8. The players that you'd draft instead of Austin have seeeeeeeerious question marks anyway. Mingo has never produced. Cooper and Warmack play a position you can get All Pros at in Round Six. Star has a hole in his heart. Patterson has off-field issues. On and on.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 07:10 AM

im real high on jarvis jones but if hes gone i have no prob with austin. this kid is gona be a star.  hes a playmaker and we do not have any on this team. think he will be the best wr in the draft. like others have pointed out hes tiny but i dont care. holmes, kerley, hill, austin, and resign braylon would be nice. holmes will be a goner after this year and austin can step up and take his spot.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 07:59 AM

TV Austin.

 

If Jones and Geno are gone, which they will be...screw it. We havent had a playmaker on this team since Leon and this kid is a much better prospect.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:23 AM

I like Austin the guy can be  a playmaker . Can be used in multiple roles like at West Virginia.

do not know if i would take at 9 though


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:25 AM

He'd be better at everything than Holmes and do it for less then 10 million a year, this also wouldn't effect us in the Teddy Bridgewater sweepstakes seeing as nobody will even be able to get him the ball this year


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:32 AM

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What need does he fill? We already have an undersized slot guy and a pretty good kick returner. Not sure this makes too much sense. If you want to argue WR is a position of need, I won't deny that, but there are more pressing needs than this guy for sure. I just don't see it happening.

Player on offense who can make big plays. Thats a GAPING hole.
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:38 AM

Good points. I love that Gastineau Lives was up at 4:45 thinking about this.


My thoughts, most of which are not original:

1. He's not just a slot receiver because he has sick vertical speed. Slot guys are slot guys because they're quicker than they are fast a la Welker and Kerley.

2. In the absence of the big QB, the Jets offense needs to find guys that can make touchdowns happen by themselves. Austin can clearly do that. I also think Cordarelle Patterson is that type of guy--someone who can make people miss, then get down the field.

3. Austin is small, but he's thick. Look at how many tackles he runs through in those videos. You also don't see him taking many big hits because he's so elusive. I think he'll be able to protect himself well enough to avoid injury.

4. Our division is filled with big secondaries, for which Austin will be a matchup nightmare, the same way that Desean Jackson feasts on the lumbering corners in the NFC East. Whatever team drafts Austin, every other team in that division is going to have to draft a corner specifically to deal with him.

5. The only time Sanchez looked like an NFL player last year was when he was throwing to Jeremy Kerley. As with Kerley, it doesn't matter how big you are if you're open. A quarterback can complete a pass to an open 5'8 guy a lot easier than he can to a covered 6'4 guy.

6. Will he block? No. But will his presence on the field ensure that every safety in the league's first step goes downfield at the snap? Yes.

7. Santonio Holmes is gone after this year. Practically a lock.

8. The players that you'd draft instead of Austin have seeeeeeeerious question marks anyway. Mingo has never produced. Cooper and Warmack play a position you can get All Pros at in Round Six. Star has a hole in his heart. Patterson has off-field issues. On and on.

 

He is DeSean Jackson with balls.  And Holmes may bot even play this year.  Those foot injuries are a bitch.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:47 AM

A 5'8, 175 lb slot WR with the 9th overall pick.  When you say that to yourself, it seems absolutely ridiculous for a team as depleted as the Jets.  Then you watch the kid play and its like, holy sh*t, this dude is unreal.  

 

That said, the best defense WVU played last year was the 50th ranked Oklahoma Sooners who actually dont play defense.  They just put cones on the field and throw Sooners jersey's on them to make it look like they have a defense.

 

He's not going to do what he did in college in the pro's, obviously, but he is my favorite prospect of the WR's.  I dont think he'll be able to take hand offs in the NFL, too small, too risky.  I dont see him breaking tackles the way he did in college.  He could be a great player in a system...but WVU has always produced players like this who dominate a league that collectively doesnt play defense, at all.  While Noel Devine and Steve Slaton arent as dynamic as Austin, but they made people look silly at WVU and you have to consider the talent they face.  Its awful.  In his career, has ever even faced a top defense? And what was the result.

 

Too risky IMO.  But I wouldnt cry if he was the pick. 


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:53 AM

A 5'8, 175 lb slot WR with the 9th overall pick.  When you say that to yourself, it seems absolutely ridiculous for a team as depleted as the Jets.  Then you watch the kid play and its like, holy sh*t, this dude is unreal.  

 

That said, the best defense WVU played last year was the 50th ranked Oklahoma Sooners who actually dont play defense.  They just put cones on the field and throw Sooners jersey's on them to make it look like they have a defense.

 

He's not going to do what he did in college in the pro's, obviously, but he is my favorite prospect of the WR's.  I dont think he'll be able to take hand offs in the NFL, too small, too risky.  I dont see him breaking tackles the way he did in college.  He could be a great player in a system...but WVU has always produced players like this who dominate a league that collectively doesnt play defense, at all.  While Noel Devine and Steve Slaton arent as dynamic as Austin, but they made people look silly at WVU and you have to consider the talent they face.  Its awful.  In his career, has ever even faced a top defense? And what was the result.

 

Too risky IMO.  But I wouldnt cry if he was the pick. 

 

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:19 AM

11 catches for 182 against LSU

 

Yeah, just saw that.  It was in a blow out...how much of it was garbage time I wonder?  But that is impressive, no doubt.

 

Not sure 1 game vs. a team that actually plays D is enough of a resume though.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:22 AM

Yeah, just saw that. It was in a blow out...how much of it was garbage time I wonder? But that is impressive, no doubt.

Not sure 1 game vs. a team that actually plays D is enough of a resume though.



If you're going to parse every player down to the amount of times they destroyed top ten defenses, you'd be unable to draft anybody. How many top teams did Jerry Rice destroy? Aaron Rodgers?
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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:26 AM

chris stueber actually had this mocked first (that I saw) in his Mar 15 effort. 

 

it's an unconventional pick but the Jets WR are awful. I'd support it.

 

I am concerned about the "upside" tho. best case are we talking Santana Moss/Desean Jackson worst case Ted Ginn or Johnny "Lam" Jones.

 

End of the day you're taking a returner/slot guy in the top 10. and that can be problematic. 


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:32 AM

If you're going to parse every player down to the amount of times they destroyed top ten defenses, you'd be unable to draft anybody. How many top teams did Jerry Rice destroy? Aaron Rodgers?

 

That's simply untrue.  

 

And I dont recall Jerry Rice being 5'8, 174 lbs or a top 10 pick.

 

QB is a little different but and I dont remember 100%, but I'm pretty sure that Rodgers had some really good games vs. USC during their glory days. 


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:32 AM

Not to be lost in all that is WVU had some really good open field blockers, especially on that last drive of the video. 

 

Kid can ball, but I'm still uneasy about small, every-down guys.  Maybe it's just something I need to get over.


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