This Mock draft has us taking LSU Mingo at 9

[unbanmadmike1]

HessStation, on 03 Apr 2013 - 12:06, said:

That's a cheap way out. Explain. What are the similarities? Why does he have a high bust potential in relation to Maybin as a prospect?

Because he's a smallish, one dimensional, pass rushing specialist with mediocre production in college.

[T0mShane]

That's a cheap way out. Explain. What are the similarities? Why does he have a high bust potential in relation to Maybin as a prospect?

IMO, as with Maybin, they're going to try and take an underdeveloped athlete and teach him to be a full-time NFL OLB. Maybin didn't put the work in until it was clear that nobody wanted him. Before I draft Mingo, I make sure that he's not a guy who takes the money and runs. Gil Brandt said it the other day--a lot of guys who bust don't fail because they're not good enough athletes, they fail because they get paid and stop working. This applies more so to a guy like Mingo who is going to require a lot of coaching and building up to compete.

[unbanmadmike1]

T0mShane, on 03 Apr 2013 - 12:16, said:

IMO, as with Maybin, they're going to try and take an underdeveloped athlete and teach him to be a full-time NFL OLB. Maybin didn't put the work in until it was clear that nobody wanted him. Before I draft Mingo, I make sure that he's not a guy who takes the money and runs. Gil Brandt said it the other day--a lot of guys who bust don't fail because they're not good enough athletes, they fail because they get paid and stop working. This applies more so to a guy like Mingo who is going to require a lot of coaching and building up to compete.

To be fair, i don't think there have ever been any bad things said about Mingo's character. The issues I have with him are all physical.

[CrazyCarl40]

IMO, as with Maybin, they're going to try and take an underdeveloped athlete and teach him to be a full-time NFL OLB. Maybin didn't put the work in until it was clear that nobody wanted him. Before I draft Mingo, I make sure that he's not a guy who takes the money and runs. Gil Brandt said it the other day--a lot of guys who bust don't fail because they're not good enough athletes, they fail because they get paid and stop working. This applies more so to a guy like Mingo who is going to require a lot of coaching and building up to compete.

Does he even want to build up though? Why hasn't he benched yet? Makes no sense to me. It's a red flag.

[HessStation]

If he's Bruce Irvin he's not worth a top 10 pick in my opinion.

 

Combine wise: Mingo is two inches taller, both ran 4.5s at essentially the same weight, same arms and hands, however Mingo's vert was 37 vs. Irvin's 33.5. That's 3.5 inches higher. His broad was 128 vs. Irvin's 123...amazing 5 inches more. Irvin slightly quicker in the 3 cone by a tenth

 

Football wise: Mingo's Sophomore season stats line up exactly to Irvin's Senior season with 8 sacks and 15 tackles for a loss. However Irvin had a monster Junior season with 14 sacks and Mingo's production slightly dips as a Junior  with 6.5 sacks. However, in Irvin's two years at WVU he was never considered more than a 3rd down sack specialist...whereas Mingo played every down against superior competition. 

 

So Mingo slightly trumps Irvin athletically and was a much better all around player on much better team in a much better conference against much better competition. Irvin however, probably trumps Mingo with a superior first step and strictly as a pass-rusher. That said Irvin is one of the biggest freaks to enter the NFL in a long time. IMO his first steps trumps everybody playing. Also, Irvin has had character issues which Mingo has not. 

 

Verdict: Mingo > Irvin, as prospects imo.

[bitonti]

And a liability in every other aspect of the game.

 

many Jets fans expect a perfect prospect at 9. they are picking 9 not 1. 

[HessStation]

Because he's a smallish, one dimensional, pass rushing specialist with mediocre production in college.

 

6'5 is smallish? He's about10 lbs. lighter than the NFL average for the position. Guys like Irvin, Mayo, McClellin, Kuechly, Kendricks all able to add 10 lbs. without missing a beat. Clay Mathews was 6'3 240 at the combine, now plays at around 255. 

 

(when not hurt) Mingo played every down at DE on probably the best Defensive unit in College football against the best teams in college football. To call him one dimensional is completely unfair and unreasonable. Anyone who watched the games has said he does well holding up agains the run and he's got a great motor...so don't know what you mean there.

 

8 sacks, 15 tackles for a loss as a sophomore in the SEC is mediocre production??? You want to specify him tailing off his Jr. year fine, but also had 15 QB hurries this year. 

[T0mShane]

To be fair, i don't think there have ever been any bad things said about Mingo's character. The issues I have with him are all physical.

I don't necessarily think the fact that you now have a Lamborghini in the driveway and $12 mil in the bank keeps you from hitting the gym six days a week is a real character concern, per se. I think it's human nature. I think Mingo, today, isn't ready to be a great pass rusher in the NFL. As Whitney Mercilus, Nick Perry, Irvin, and Melvin Ingram all found out, there's a whole new level of work involved in being a big-time edge rusher. A guy like Coples, because of his size and position, can sleep-walk through a career in the NFL and still be an effective player. But these dudes who get stood up have to want to be great, IMO, otherwise they wash out a la Gholston and Aaron Curry.

[HessStation]

IMO, as with Maybin, they're going to try and take an underdeveloped athlete and teach him to be a full-time NFL OLB. Maybin didn't put the work in until it was clear that nobody wanted him. Before I draft Mingo, I make sure that he's not a guy who takes the money and runs. Gil Brandt said it the other day--a lot of guys who bust don't fail because they're not good enough athletes, they fail because they get paid and stop working. This applies more so to a guy like Mingo who is going to require a lot of coaching and building up to compete.

 

Agree with this as a concern. As a footnote to this and to quote NFL.com "his mother (who combined her name, Barbara, with the name Kevious to make his unusual moniker) did not want him or his two brothers playing football. But his athleticism and height eventually got him on the gridiron as a high school junior."

 

Late bloomer who didn't grow up with football in his blood and it sounds like he was raised by a single mother who doesn't like that he plays football.  

[T0mShane]

Does he even want to build up though? Why hasn't he benched yet? Makes no sense to me. It's a red flag.

All reports say he's not lazy, necessarily, but it is a bit spooky that he hasn't benched.

[HessStation]

To be fair, i don't think there have ever been any bad things said about Mingo's character. The issues I have with him are all physical.

 

The guy is a complete and utter physical freak of nature. What are you talking about? 

[bitonti]

All reports say he's not lazy, necessarily, but it is a bit spooky that he hasn't benched.

 

 

not lazy it putting it lightly. He's apparently really hard working. Bjoern Werner is a lazy scumbag compared to Mingo. 

[Il Mostro]

Agree with this as a concern. As a footnote to this and to quote NFL.com "his mother (who combined her name, Barbara, with the name Kevious to make his unusual moniker) did not want him or his two brothers playing football. But his athleticism and height eventually got him on the gridiron as a high school junior."

 

Late bloomer who didn't grow up with football in his blood and it sounds like he was raised by a single mother who doesn't like that he plays football.  

 

 

Like "Kevious" isn't effin' weird enough on its own.  WTF are people thinking when naming their kids?

[jetsjetsjetss]

How is a guy that's always around the ball a bad thing? That's probably the best defense in the nation he was on. Not his fault other guys could make plays too But I get your concern and it's fair. His production via stats are very pedestrian.

 

yea its ok hes around the ball. But im guessing its just his speed hes using to recover and get to the play. I just wish he was making the play. If hes a top 10 pick for us I want a guy making plays from day one. Im not in love with anyone in this draft really its sad lol

[SenorGato]

IMO, as with Maybin, they're going to try and take an underdeveloped athlete and teach him to be a full-time NFL OLB. Maybin didn't put the work in until it was clear that nobody wanted him. Before I draft Mingo, I make sure that he's not a guy who takes the money and runs. Gil Brandt said it the other day--a lot of guys who bust don't fail because they're not good enough athletes, they fail because they get paid and stop working. This applies more so to a guy like Mingo who is going to require a lot of coaching and building up to compete.

 

Maybin didn't fail because he was lazy. He failed because he's massively undersized and does nothing particularly well but run in a relatively straight line to the QB in unblocked situations. Maybin's a much better prospect and was a better player as a whole in college, Maybin catching fire based on one year. 

[hotcoles87]

Listen to what Pat Kirwin has to say about Mingo.  He loves the guy, and prefers him to Jordan.  With a coach like Rex who can find a specialist role for Mingo, I think we're a great team for him.  He could just rush the passer in year one, then learn the LB position as he adds weight and strength.  I'm not worried about him not bench pressing.  Who I do worry about is Jarvis Jones and his 4.92 40.  He's already slower than a 35 year old Bryan Thomas, and he's not even in the league yet.  What's he going to be running when he's 32?  Wrong build, lack of speed, questionable work ethic. 

 

You have to realize, LSU has a stacked D, and rotates players often.  Mingo was also doubled quite a bit, and is probably playing out of position as a 225 lb DE. (college weight) In my opinion, if you like Jordan, there's no reason not to like Mingo.  Same strengths, same flaws.

[jetsjetsjetss]

not lazy it putting it lightly. He's apparently really hard working. Bjoern Werner is a lazy scumbag compared to Mingo. 

 

is there a reason he hasnt benched tho?

[bitonti]

is there a reason he hasnt benched tho?

 

 

it's a good question. I will reach out to my LA people and see what comes up

[pedro55]

  You never know with many of these guys.   A lot of these guys are the best in high school, the best in college and for the most part, they don't play against the best.  As much as everybody loves the SEC,  teams like Alabama and LSU and for awhile Florida, are stacked with college all stars and they play against inferior opponents.   It's easy to look great when your on a college all star team compared to your opposition.  It's easy to feel great. It's easy to have the confidence.  

And if this has been the case since high school or before, you start to believe that hype and ego.    

 

 Some kids take it for granted.  Some kids aren't as talented as people make them out to be.  Other kids are great, but don't have the work ethic to be the best.  And it's not about being lazy. There are sports players out there like the Kobe Bryants of the world, the Jerry Rice's, the Ray Lewis's, etc who seem to dedicate their lives to the sport and to staying in shape, eating healthy, etc.  And it took Ray Lewis awhile to do that.    There are other guys who are used to living off their talent alone (Aka the Allen Iverson's of the world) and don't believe in practicing or hard work.    And in the NFL, it's far easier to tell some coach go f yourself if you think you are a star.     Sometimes some players have a hard time dealing with not being the best.  Or they have a hard time dealing with having to work really hard in a variety of ways at something that's always come easy.  

 

 Anybody can go out and play football if you are a beast and talented. It's the after hours, watching film, working out, running, eating healthy, etc that makes a lot of these players what they become or don't become.   Most players are as lazy as the Jamarcus Russells.   They just aren't as hard working as jerry Rice.  And in a league where everybody is just as fast or just as good as you are,  it takes its toll.    

 

 that is the magic of scouts. or the lack of magic.  they are the ones who need to figure out whether or not these guys have it or if they are just talent and nothing else.