T0mShane Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Especially if this new GM is worth the faith. Rex was working out Margus Hunt at OLB today. I was picturing Idzik standing behind him going "Yeah, ok guy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Rex was working out Margus Hunt at OLB today. I was picturing Idzik standing behind him going "Yeah, ok guy." Rex worked out Coples in OLB drills last year. They're pro day drills...Zero predictive value. Hunt's workout numbers are within the realm of being able to flex into an OLB-esque role in the D on a given play in a given package. This is SOP for a workout on a guy that big and athletic that you try to force your little offseason agenda on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 9 is a high pick, bit. It's not ok to go draft an 80 tackle, 5 sack guy there. If they go OLB, he better be a double-digit sack guy or it's a bad pick. Jets fans always have a higher expectation for the pick than reality. 9 is not 1. these are the last 20 9 picks. 2012 Luke Kuechly Panthers 1 9 9 LB Boston College 2011 Tyron Smith Cowboys 1 9 9 T USC 2010 C.J. Spiller Bills 1 9 9 RB Clemson 2009 B.J. Raji Packers 1 9 9 DT Boston College 2008 Keith Rivers Bengals 1 9 9 LB USC 2007 Ted Ginn Jr. Dolphins 1 9 9 WR Ohio State 2006 Ernie Sims Lions 1 9 9 LB Florida State 2005 Carlos Rogers Redskins 1 9 9 DB Auburn 2004 Reggie Williams Jaguars 1 9 9 WR Washington 2003 Kevin Williams Vikings 1 9 9 DE Oklahoma State 2002 John Henderson Jaguars 1 9 9 DT Tennessee 2001 Koren Robinson Seahawks 1 9 9 WR North Carolina State 2000 Brian Urlacher Bears 1 9 9 LB New Mexico 1999 Chris Claiborne Lions 1 9 9 LB USC 1998 Fred Taylor Jaguars 1 9 9 RB Florida 1997 Tom Knight Cardinals 1 9 9 DB Iowa 1996 Rickey Dudley Raiders 1 9 9 TE Ohio State 1995 Kyle Brady Jets 1 9 9 TE Penn State 1994 Antonio Langham Browns 1 9 9 DB Alabama 1993 Lincoln Kennedy Falcons 1 9 9 T Washington 1992 Tommy Vardell Browns 1 9 9 RB Stanford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Jets fans always have a higher expectation for the pick than reality. 9 is not 1. There's alot of premium talent in those last 20 you listed. Henderson, Williams, Urlacher, Raji, Spiller, Smith, Kuechly, Rogers, Kennedy, Taylor....That's half the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Rex worked out Coples in OLB drills last year. They're pro day drills...Zero predictive value. Hunt's workout numbers are within the realm of being able to flex into an OLB-esque role in the D on a given play in a given package. This is SOP for a workout on a guy that big and athletic that you try to force your little offseason agenda on. Which "little offseason agenda" are you referring to? It's hard to keep track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 here's an interview from Mingo today at LSU pro day http://videos.nola.com/times-picayune/2013/03/lsus_barkevious_mingo_would_lo.html this is a tweet from Phil Savage former CLE GM running the senior bowl OLB KeKe Mingo 6046/237, no tests, but worked well as LBer. Cut up body, excellent athlete. PHI, PIT and Mickey Loomis/Saints also there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 I asked the same question a couple months ago. The answer lies partly with how deep these SEC teams are and how much they rotate. Mingo didn't play 90% of the defensive snaps. It was more like 60%. That goes for Sharrif Floyd too. These guys come from very good teams that have depth and part of their game plan is to rotate all the time and keep guys fresh. LSU routinely rotated 8 guys. the other part of the answer is that he didn't have elite production but as dbates said he's not an elite pick. if Mingo had the production of Jarvis Jones, he's maybe the #1 pick. We are talking about him at 9. This. Depth and rotation. Muschamp constantly rotates. Starters dont see the majority of snaps until the 4th quarter. And when everyone around you is NFL caliber, they make plays too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 when they do the re-draft 3 years from now, austin goes #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I asked the same question a couple months ago. The answer lies partly with how deep these SEC teams are and how much they rotate. Mingo didn't play 90% of the defensive snaps. It was more like 60%. That goes for Sharrif Floyd too. These guys come from very good teams that have depth and part of their game plan is to rotate all the time and keep guys fresh. LSU routinely rotated 8 guys. the other part of the answer is that he didn't have elite production but as dbates said he's not an elite pick. if Mingo had the production of Jarvis Jones, he's maybe the #1 pick. We are talking about him at 9. Soooooooo, his production numbers are minimal because he didn't play a lot, but they'll be better when he's playing 60 snaps in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Dude didn't work out at combine or his pro day. What is he hiding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Dude didn't work out at combine or his pro day. What is he hiding? A fake girlfriend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 A fake girlfriend. Leave it to you to try to derail actual football conversation. Might be time to grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Dude didn't work out at combine or his pro day. What is he hiding? What do you mean he didn't work out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 What do you mean he didn't work out? @Ourlads_Shonka: #Mingo didn't lift again.I hope he doesn't think the tms forgot about his lack of upper body strn.There was a reason he lacked productivity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 That is kinda red flaggish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 @superscoutken: Bleacher Report Barkevious Mingo's Refusal to Bench Press at Pro Day Should Concern NFL Scouts: Prospects ofte... http://t.co/aOP3ARoMmO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Leave it to you to try to derail actual football conversation. Might be time to grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Back to intelligent postings, at this point I'm hoping Dion Jordan falls to #9. If not trade back and get Eifert or a guard. I don't like Ansah, Jones, Mingo or Werner all that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 If Sharrif Floyd is there, that's an automatic trade isn't it? I'd think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Back to intelligent postings, at this point I'm hoping Dion Jordan falls to #9. If not trade back and get Eifert or a guard. I don't like Ansah, Jones, Mingo or Werner all that much. Why do like Jordan more? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbone Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Taking a tight end in the first round w/o having a QB to throw to him is not a good move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Why do like Jordan more? Just curious. Dude had a busted shoulder and still worked out the best he could at the combine. Nothing wrong with Mingo and he doesn't lift at all. I think Jordan is the better athlete. Probably less of a great pass rusher but that could come with time. He can also get out and cover and I like players that can be more than one dimensional like Mingo seems to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Mingo isnt a perfect prospect. He's about 240 which is kinda light and he hasn't benched. But the Jets aren't getting a perfect prospect at 9. all the guys the Jets are looking at 9 have flaws. FWIW you can always improve a player's strength, but he's not getting much faster than his combine time. I don't know that this is a sure thing pick for the jets but it is a real possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Back to intelligent postings, at this point I'm hoping Dion Jordan falls to #9. If not trade back and get Eifert or a guard. I don't like Ansah, Jones, Mingo or Werner all that much. A couple WRs that might be there at #9 are intriguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 FWIW, Mayock compared him to Irvin and it seems pretty obvious that the Jets and Seahawks (Idzik) liked Irvin plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 It takes receivers and most QBs a year or two to figure out the NFL game. I'm hoping this team is competitive in two years, and it'd be nice to have some skill players ready to go around that time. Draft a passel of receivers, TEs, maybe a QB this year, then find your add-on rush LBs in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 IMO TE is at least as bad a value pick as S and G. A TE @ 9? No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 the value for WR will be in the 2nd/3rd round this year. No Calvin Johnson type at the top end but plenty of #2's with upside. It wouldn't be shocking to see a Steve Smith or Miles Austin type player come out of this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JADEDGREEN Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Rex was working out Margus Hunt at OLB today. I was picturing Idzik standing behind him going "Yeah, ok guy." Hard Knocks II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 IMO TE is at least as bad a value pick as S and G. A TE @ 9? No thanks. Patterson is mocked consistently in the top ten. Tavon Austin between 10 and 15 recently, and Eifert has moved up all spring. Fans are in denial about TEs, but a lot of games are being dominated by that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 the value for WR will be in the 2nd/3rd round this year. No Calvin Johnson type at the top end but plenty of #2's with upside. It wouldn't be shocking to see a Steve Smith or Miles Austin type player come out of this draft. Calvin Johnson was a Stage Five mutant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 A couple WRs that might be there at #9 are intriguing. True but I don't think that any of them are worth #9 at that point. You'd be happy with one in the teens but not a one of them screams top ten pick. I'm also on the side of our WRs aren't that horrible especially if they bring Braylon back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 the value for WR will be in the 2nd/3rd round this year. No Calvin Johnson type at the top end but plenty of #2's with upside. It wouldn't be shocking to see a Steve Smith or Miles Austin type player come out of this draft. I'd be shocked if one didn't. Patterson is mocked consistently in the top ten. Tavon Austin between 10 and 15 recently, and Eifert has moved up all spring. Fans are in denial about TEs, but a lot of games are being dominated by that position. I have nothing against drafting receivers, I just think TE is an overrated position. I totally disagree that games are being dominated by TEs. For the most part they are garbage men that feast off other guys getting attention. Vernon Davis goes a bit beyond that and the guys in New England, but I am speaking generally. I look at TE as drafting an ILB vs. a pass rush OLB. Not as premium a position. That being said, I know very little about these TEs except their names, so I can't even argue that they are not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I'd be shocked if one didn't. I have nothing against drafting receivers, I just think TE is an overrated position. I totally disagree that games are being dominated by TEs. For the most part they are garbage men that feast off other guys getting attention. Vernon Davis goes a bit beyond that and the guys in New England, but I am speaking generally. I look at TE as drafting an ILB vs. a pass rush OLB. Not as premium a position. That being said, I know very little about these TEs except their names, so I can't even argue that they are not worth it. http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/01/tight_ends_have_changed_the_wa.html Dilfer does an ok job explaining why the TE is a big deal to a passing offense. They collapse defenses back into the middle of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 http://www.nola.com/saints/index.ssf/2012/01/tight_ends_have_changed_the_wa.html Dilfer does an ok job explaining why the TE is a big deal to a passing offense. They collapse defenses back into the middle of the field. I can't watch that at work, but it probably doesn't change my point. IMO the difference between an adequate TE and good/great one is much smaller than the difference between an adequate WR and a good/great one. You just need a decent sized sh*thead to run up the seam or hook in the middle and catch the damn ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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