Get ready for another Carson Palmer drama ~ ~ ~

[kelly]

Get ready for another Carson Palmer drama

 

When owners and teams treat football like a business, media and fans shrug. 

When players do, it’s regarded as an affront to the integrity of the game.

It’s not fair, but that’s the way it is.  And Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer

needs to brace himself for that reaction as he tries to force his way out of Oakland.

It’s obvious Palmer wants out.  Two years ago, he finagled his exit

from Cincinnati by feigning retirement.  The strategy looked to be a

failure until Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell broke his collarbone

and former Raiders coach Hue Jackson lost his damn mind, giving up

a first-round pick and a second-round pick for a quarterback who isn’t

the guy he used to be.

Now, Palmer is turning up his nose at $10 million from the Raiders,

which sets the stage for the Raiders eventually to cut him — and for

Palmer to play for someone else.

As Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports explains it, Palmer wants to play for a contender,

even if it means being a backup.  (Cough . . . Seahawks and Pete

Carroll . . . cough.)  Of course, Palmer won’t get $10 million to be a

backup, but his willingness to walk away from football in order to get

out of Cincinnati proves that he’d be willing to walk away from $10

million in order to get a shot at winning.

Palmer’s posture also reflects a belief that, despite the hiring of

G.M. Reggie McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen, Palmer doesn’t see the

silver-and-black bus getting turned around in the immediate future. 

Otherwise, he’d gladly take $10 million to stay put.

The problem is that the Raiders currently hold all the cards.  With

no seven-figure trigger in Palmer’s deal, the $13 million doesn’t become

fully guaranteed until Week One, which means the Raiders can cut him

much later in the offseason, if they draft a quarterback early — or if

they eventually decide Terrelle Pryor can get the job done.  The only

risk the Raiders are taking is that, ifPalmer drops a dumbbell on his foot

or pops an Achilles tendon in offseason conditioning drills or otherwise

suffers a season-ending injury while on the clock, the Raiders will owe

Palmer his full salary.

That could set the stage for a Steve McNair-style lockout.  Even

without Palmer being barred from the building (which would violate the

CBA), Palmer is making his second power play in two years.

When a team does it, we applaud.  Fair or not, Palmer should prepare

for the jeers and the boos and the accusations of being a chronic

quitter.
    > http://profootballta...n-palmer-drama/

[New York Mick]

Can we trade Sanchez and switch contracts?

[kelly]

Get ready for another Carson Palmer drama

 

When owners and teams treat football like a business, media and fans shrug. 

When players do, it’s regarded as an affront to the integrity of the game.

It’s not fair, but that’s the way it is.  And Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer

needs to brace himself for that reaction as he tries to force his way out of Oakland.

It’s obvious Palmer wants out.  Two years ago, he finagled his exit

from Cincinnati by feigning retirement.  The strategy looked to be a

failure until Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell broke his collarbone

and former Raiders coach Hue Jackson lost his damn mind, giving up

a first-round pick and a second-round pick for a quarterback who isn’t

the guy he used to be.

Now, Palmer is turning up his nose at $10 million from the Raiders,

which sets the stage for the Raiders eventually to cut him — and for

Palmer to play for someone else.

As Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports explains it, Palmer wants to play for a contender,

even if it means being a backup.  (Cough . . . Seahawks and Pete

Carroll . . . cough.)  Of course, Palmer won’t get $10 million to be a

backup, but his willingness to walk away from football in order to get

out of Cincinnati proves that he’d be willing to walk away from $10

million in order to get a shot at winning.

Palmer’s posture also reflects a belief that, despite the hiring of

G.M. Reggie McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen, Palmer doesn’t see the

silver-and-black bus getting turned around in the immediate future. 

Otherwise, he’d gladly take $10 million to stay put.

The problem is that the Raiders currently hold all the cards.  With

no seven-figure trigger in Palmer’s deal, the $13 million doesn’t become

fully guaranteed until Week One, which means the Raiders can cut him

much later in the offseason, if they draft a quarterback early — or if

they eventually decide Terrelle Pryor can get the job done.  The only

risk the Raiders are taking is that, ifPalmer drops a dumbbell on his foot

or pops an Achilles tendon in offseason conditioning drills or otherwise

suffers a season-ending injury while on the clock, the Raiders will owe

Palmer his full salary.

That could set the stage for a Steve McNair-style lockout.  Even

without Palmer being barred from the building (which would violate the

CBA), Palmer is making his second power play in two years.

When a team does it, we applaud.  Fair or not, Palmer should prepare

for the jeers and the boos and the accusations of being a chronic

quitter.

    

> http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/28/get-ready-for-another-carson-palmer-drama/

[SenorGato]

If cut he should be on the radar of the Jets. Make him the next Vinny. I'm not even sure how much I buy that, but i think I'm one of the few who still thinks Palmer can play.

[kelly]

Get ready for another Carson Palmer drama

 

When owners and teams treat football like a business, media and fans shrug. 

When players do, it’s regarded as an affront to the integrity of the game.

It’s not fair, but that’s the way it is.  And Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer

needs to brace himself for that reaction as he tries to force his way out of Oakland.

It’s obvious Palmer wants out.  Two years ago, he finagled his exit

from Cincinnati by feigning retirement.  The strategy looked to be a

failure until Raiders quarterback Jason Campbell broke his collarbone

and former Raiders coach Hue Jackson lost his damn mind, giving up

a first-round pick and a second-round pick for a quarterback who isn’t

the guy he used to be.

Now, Palmer is turning up his nose at $10 million from the Raiders,

which sets the stage for the Raiders eventually to cut him — and for

Palmer to play for someone else.

As Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports explains it, Palmer wants to play for a contender,

even if it means being a backup.  (Cough . . . Seahawks and Pete

Carroll . . . cough.)  Of course, Palmer won’t get $10 million to be a

backup, but his willingness to walk away from football in order to get

out of Cincinnati proves that he’d be willing to walk away from $10

million in order to get a shot at winning.

Palmer’s posture also reflects a belief that, despite the hiring of

G.M. Reggie McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen, Palmer doesn’t see the

silver-and-black bus getting turned around in the immediate future. 

Otherwise, he’d gladly take $10 million to stay put.

The problem is that the Raiders currently hold all the cards.  With

no seven-figure trigger in Palmer’s deal, the $13 million doesn’t become

fully guaranteed until Week One, which means the Raiders can cut him

much later in the offseason, if they draft a quarterback early — or if

they eventually decide Terrelle Pryor can get the job done.  The only

risk the Raiders are taking is that, ifPalmer drops a dumbbell on his foot

or pops an Achilles tendon in offseason conditioning drills or otherwise

suffers a season-ending injury while on the clock, the Raiders will owe

Palmer his full salary.

That could set the stage for a Steve McNair-style lockout.  Even

without Palmer being barred from the building (which would violate the

CBA), Palmer is making his second power play in two years.

When a team does it, we applaud.  Fair or not, Palmer should prepare

for the jeers and the boos and the accusations of being a chronic

quitter.

    

> http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/28/get-ready-for-another-carson-palmer-drama/

 

~ ~ double post. sorry ! !

 

i apol.

[JustInFudge]

If anyone can lure him, its Rex Ryan. 

[#27TheDominator]

I would be interested, but I doubt the price would be right.  The guy hasn't won more than 4 games since 2009 when he was bitchslapped by the Jets in the playoffs.  A typically ill prepared Rex Ryan team held him to 1-11, 0 yards and an INT, but hey we backed into the playoffs.  It's not like we deserved to be there or anything. 

[FloridaJetsFan]

~ ~ double post. sorry ! !

 

i apol.

And that makes it a triple post. C'mon dude - you're better than this! This is making you look like some pathetic attention whore! Get it together Bro!

[kelly]

And that makes it a triple post. C'mon dude - you're better than this! This is making you look like some pathetic attention whore! Get it together Bro!

 

sorry MOM ! !

 

[j4jets]

If cut he should be on the radar of the Jets. Make him the next Vinny. I'm not even sure how much I buy that, but i think I'm one of the few who still thinks Palmer can play.

 

He still has some football left. He's barely 33.

[Sperm Edwards]

If cut he should be on the radar of the Jets. Make him the next Vinny. I'm not even sure how much I buy that, but i think I'm one of the few who still thinks Palmer can play.

 

I saw a bunch of Raiders games this past year.  Seemed like plenty of times after he threw a pick (or a seemingly-errant throw) he was chewing out his receiver as they headed back to the sideline, with the receiver not arguing back.  And he threw for over 4000 yards with a pretty weak receiving corps.  I don't know.  He probably sucks I guess.

[SenorGato]

I saw a bunch of Raiders games this past year. Seemed like plenty of times after he threw a pick (or a seemingly-errant throw) he was chewing out his receiver as they headed back to the sideline, with the receiver not arguing back. And he threw for over 4000 yards with a pretty weak receiving corps. I don't know. He probably sucks I guess.

Yeah, it's easy to lean towards him sucking but of guys who even might be available for a relatively low price...He's tough, tall, strong armed, and experienced and I'm not sure there's even a more interesting option out there besides Geno Smith.

[Smashmouth]

If cut he should be on the radar of the Jets. Make him the next Vinny. I'm not even sure how much I buy that, but i think I'm one of the few who still thinks Palmer can play.

 

this aint a bad Idea but we dont exactly have Wayne Chrebet and Keyshawn Johnson catching passes with a young Curtis Martin out of the backfield now do we ??? As this team stands now NO QB is going to fair well unless big changes are made on the offensive side of the ball.

[SenorGato]

One change that most likely absolutely needs to be made is Mark Sanchez. I bet Palmer can do better, like significantly better than Sanchez, with Holmes running his route tree, Kerley/Goodson handling the short yardage game, and Stephen Hill running in a straight line to the end zone. Add a TE or more likely two and the Jets are in business next year.

[unbanmadmike1]

Ill take him over Kolb easily.

[Il Mostro]

Ill take him over Kolb easily.

 

I'll take him over any QB on our roster or any they've been eyeballing.  Just not at $10MM to $13MM per.

[unbanmadmike1]

One change that most likely absolutely needs to be made is Mark Sanchez. I bet Palmer can do better, like significantly better than Sanchez, with Holmes running his route tree, Kerley/Goodson handling the short yardage game, and Stephen Hill running in a straight line to the end zone. Add a TE or more likely two and the Jets are in business next year.

You're talking about guys who wouldn't start for any good offense in the NFL. So "in business" probably isn't the best way to put it.

[SenorGato]

You're talking about guys who wouldn't start for any good offense in the NFL. So "in business" probably isn't the best way to put it.

 

.Holmes would start for most good offenses in the NFL if/when he's healthy. Kerley is a fine #3 WR on pretty much any roster. Hill...well he's tall and fast so that can have it's uses with a real QB and not a guy playing worse than half the backups in the league. 

 

Palmer was a top 20 QB last year with Heyward-Bey, Criner, and Brandon Myers forming the meat of his receivers...The guy with the second most receptions on the roster was the fullback. The Jets' group, even before FA and the draft are done, is better than that. 

[unbanmadmike1]

.Holmes would start for most good offenses in the NFL if/when he's healthy. Kerley is a fine #3 WR on pretty much any roster. Hill...well he's tall and fast so that can have it's uses with a real QB and not a guy playing worse than half the backups in the league. 

 

Palmer was a top 20 QB last year with Heyward-Bey, Criner, and Brandon Myers forming the meat of his receivers...The guy with the second most receptions on the roster was the fullback. The Jets' group, even before FA and the draft are done, is better than that.

We have no idea what Holmes we're going to get this year though and REALLY no idea what we're going to get out of Stephen Hill. They are huge question marks. I'm not disagreeing with you about palmer not being a bad option here but the talent around him wouldn't be good.

[SenorGato]

We have no idea what Holmes we're going to get this year though and REALLY no idea what we're going to get out of Stephen Hill. They are huge question marks. I'm not disagreeing with you about palmer not being a bad option here but the talent around him wouldn't be good.

Given a half decent QB, probably a half decent Holmes (if healthy). These guys are all larger question marks with the GIANT question mark at the QB position. A solid, starting level QB is going to get more out of these guys than the Jets' bottom of the league QB play last year did, and those gains in performance can mean a great deal to a W-L record. There's no real need to pretend these guys will be the only pass catching options on the roster come September anyway, or that there isn't a ton of time left in this offseason to move the margins on either side of the ball pretty significantly. 

 

I do wish he could bring Moore with him...somewhat reminiscent of a young Holmes, though probably less tested in major spots. 

[Blackout]

most over rated QB ever? 

[SenorGato]

most over rated QB ever?

Not even in the conversation. Guy looked like a superstar until Kimo took out his knee. Since then it's been a lot of taking the blame - another QB duty.

[Gen X Jet]

Does he have the "feet" to play on a Rex Ryan team?

[TechJet]

Can we trade Sanchez and switch contracts?

I just don't like University of Southern California QB's they are not very good at being proffessional ballers.

USC QB's does not make good NFL signal caller.

[Lurking Troll]

Everybody here is talking about bringing Palmer here....did you all miss the part where he said he is doing this to play for a contender????

[SenorGato]

Everybody here is talking about bringing Palmer here....did you all miss the part where he said he is doing this to play for a contender????

In the NFL contender is 30 teams deep in March. They also suggest he back up on the Seahawks. That sounds appealing.

[kelly]

Everybody here is talking about bringing Palmer here....did you all miss the part where he said he is doing this to play for a contender????

 

~ ~ exactly !..i'm pretty sure  palmer wants to play for a team that is a " contender "...THIS season....NOT a team

that is at least two seasons away from contending ( which we are   ).

 

 

 

 

cheers ~ ~

  

[New York Mick]

I just don't like University of Southern California QB's they are not very good at being proffessional ballers.

USC QB's does not make good NFL signal caller.

I'd be happy with Ryan Leaf if it meant we could get rid of Sanchez and his asinine contract.

[Villain The Foe]

I would be interested, but I doubt the price would be right.  The guy hasn't won more than 4 games since 2009 when he was bitchslapped by the Jets in the playoffs.  A typically ill prepared Rex Ryan team held him to 1-11, 0 yards and an INT, but hey we backed into the playoffs.  It's not like we deserved to be there or anything. 

He was held to 1-11, 0 yards and an INT from a team that backed into the playoffs. We may not have deserved to be there, but what does that now say about Carson? 

 

If Carson is ever the Jets QB i'd be rooting for Vlad to be the starting guard so we can have a new QB the following week. 

[pointman]

He was held to 1-11, 0 yards and an INT from a team that backed into the playoffs. We may not have deserved to be there, but what does that now say about Carson? 

 

If Carson is ever the Jets QB i'd be rooting for Vlad to be the starting guard so we can have a new QB the following week. 

Carson is still a far better option than anyone currently on our roster, or our radar. He puts up numbers, period.

[Villain The Foe]

Carson is still a far better option than anyone currently on our roster, or our radar. He puts up numbers, period.

No he's not. The only QB on this Roster that Carson is better than is Tim Tebow and he'll be an ex-jet soon enough.

 

[CrazyCarl40]

Carson is still a far better option than anyone currently on our roster, or our radar. He puts up numbers, period.

And it would make sense if the jets were just a Carson Palmer away from being a contender. They aren't. He's old, slow and expensive. Pass.

[Sperm Edwards]

Mike Jurecki of XTRA Phoenix reports the Cardinals are "looking into" trading for Carson Palmer.

Getting any compensation for a 33-year-old quarterback with a $13M salary would be quite the coup for Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie. Per Jurecki, the Cards would need Palmer to rework his contract and the only picks they're willing to surrender would be "conditional," based on play time and performance. A late-Friday tweet from the Arizona Republic's Kent Somers also indicated the Cardinals might be willing to part with "late pick(s), conditional" for the two-time Pro Bowler.

 

[kelly]

Ryan Leaf sent to state prison

Updated: January 17, 2013, 8:12 PM ET

Associated Press

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HELENA, Mont. -- Former NFL quarterback Ryan Leaf
has been moved from a drug treatment center to the Montana State Prison
for threatening a staff member and violating his treatment plan, a
corrections official said Thursday.

The former San Diego Chargers
and Washington State Cougars quarterback was charged last spring with
breaking into two houses and stealing prescription painkillers near his
hometown of Great Falls. He pleaded guilty in May to burglary and
criminal possession of dangerous drugs, and his five-year sentence
called for spending nine months in a locked drug treatment facility as
an alternative to prison.

Cascade County Sheriff’s Office

 

Ryan
Leaf, pictured here in his 2012 booking photo for breaking into two
houses and stealing painkillers, was moved from a drug treatment center
to the Montana State Prison for threatening a staff member and other
behavioral problems.

Leaf said then that he
was looking forward to the treatment at Nexus Treatment Center in
Lewistown. But on Thursday, the Montana Department of Corrections
released a statement by Great Falls regional probation and parole
administrator Dawn Handa that said Leaf will now serve his sentence in
the Deer Lodge prison.

"The Montana Department of Corrections
terminated Leaf from the treatment program and placed him in prison
after he was found guilty of behavior that violated conditions of his
drug treatment program. The violations included threatening a program
staff member," Handa said in the statement.

Leaf attorney Kenneth Olson did not return calls for comment.

Adult
Community Corrections Division director Pam Bunke wrote that Leaf was
too great a security risk to leave in a community setting, and that
staff had exhausted all resources in keeping him there.

Leaf told
his roommate at the treatment center that he wanted to drag a program
staffer by his hair, according to the Department of Corrections document
approving Leaf's transfer to prison.

Leaf also wrote in three
"Thinking Error Reports" that he wanted to throw the staffer against the
wall and smash his glass into the man's head.

Thinking Error
Reports are part of the treatment program meant to help participants
monitor their potential problems and help them recognize and cope with
the source of their addiction, according to an agency description.

Leaf
was moved out of the Lewistown center on Dec. 29. He was held in the
Fergus County Jail until he was transported to the Deer Lodge prison
Wednesday, said Corrections spokesman Bob Anez.

A disciplinary
hearing was held Jan. 9 in which a hearings officer found Leaf guilty of
threatening another person or his possessions, according to a summary
by the Department of Corrections.

He also was found guilty of
wearing clothes he was told not to wear and volunteering his services
when directed not to, according to the summary.

Those may seem to
be minor charges, but it represented the fourth therapeutic action plan
given to Leaf to try to bring him into compliance, the report said.

When Leaf was served papers for the hearing, he was "less than cooperative," according to the report.

"He
got angry, swore at staff, refused to sign off on the witness form and
threw the hearing notification papers on the floor," the report said.

Leaf
will remain in the state prison until at least June 30, when he becomes
eligible for parole, Anez said. That does not mean he will be released,
but he will receive a hearing before the state Board of Pardons and
Parole.

James Farren, the district attorney in the Texas county
where Leaf was previously given probation in a plea agreement for drug
charges in 2010, said his office will move to bring Leaf back to Randall
County, where he could stand trial. The original Texas case stems from
accusations that Leaf stole prescription pain medicine from a player's
home while he was a coach at West Texas A&M.

If Leaf ends up
getting prison time from a judge in Texas, he would return to Montana to
serve out his time there. He would get credit for his Montana prison
time in Texas, Farren said.

Farren said he gave Leaf a chance with the Texas plea deal. The Montana courts gave him another chance, he said.

"It doesn't matter how many chances he gets," Farren said.

Leaf
was the No. 2 pick in the 1998 NFL draft, but his short-lived pro
career earned him the reputation as one of the biggest busts in NFL
history.

An investigation began in March 2011, after Great Falls
postal workers reported they were suspicious of frequent packages Leaf
received by paying COD charges of $500.

Central Montana Drug Task
Force officers and Leaf's parole officer confronted the former
quarterback and found a container with 28 oxycodone pills inside and
another container with a prescription made out to an acquaintance.

The acquaintance said Leaf had entered his home without permission, and Leaf was arrested.

Shortly after his release, two Cascade County residents told authorities they found Leaf inside their home.

The couple reported three different prescription medications missing.

The Great Falls Tribune first reported Leaf's imprisonment Thursday.

 

> http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8854058/ryan-leaf-booted-treatment-center-prison

[kelly]

I'd be happy with Ryan Leaf if it meant we could get rid of Sanchez and his asinine contract.

 

~ ~ The former quarterback dismissed his attorney's assertion that NFL

injuries are to blame for his problems, saying he has simply been "lazy

and dishonest."

 

> http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/story/2012-06-19/Ryan-Leaf-sentence/55687774/1