Yahoo: Bucs offer 1st, 3rd, 6th for Revis; to pay him $15m-$16m

[Scott Dierking]

Scott lost a ton of playing time over the past two years. There was a game this October where he saw 16 snaps total. Scott falling off a cliff during 2011 was not some great secret only Cimini, Mehta, and fans figured out. https://twitter.com/ConorTOrr/status/260734248531681280

 

Pace was probably the best player in the LB group last year. Not saying much, but Rex isn't the guy building the roster. That's a different issue.

 

Smith beat out the likes of rookie Antonio Allen, that guy the Pats picked up, rookie Bush, Dwight Lowery, and other even lesser 3rd safeties throughout the years. He was also drafted 7 years ago.

 

Greene aka the best RB on the roster going into 2012. Powell took 121 carries as a second year player while Greene got enough carries to hit 1,000 yards and land a solid FA contract. Nothing wrong with how they handled him either.

 

You confuse trying to win with what is there with alot of things. It's not as if he was leaving Pace in as some 22 YO beast rots on the bench. Garrett McIntyre and Ricky Sapp, the guys who make up the project/depth OLBs on the roster, combined saw a ton of playing time at OLB.

Scott lost playing time when he was hurt. As soon as he was healthy, BOOM back in he goes.

 

Smith should never have been on the roster. Rex was comfortable with hi,m.

 

The Jets KNEW they were not going to re-sign Greene. They should have look at the others more, once they knew they were out of the race.

 

Guess you agree with Ducasse statement.

 

Your last sentence made no sense-no surprise.

[SenorGato]

Scott lost playing time when he was hurt. As soon as he was healthy, BOOM back in he goes.

 

Mauga, who was getting many of Scott's snaps early on, blew out his knee IIRC.

 

Smith should never have been on the roster. Rex was comfortable with hi,m.

 

Smith relative to other team's 2nd and 3rd safeties really is not as dramatically bad as this board makes it seem. He's an NFL player, just not a starter. He only took a starter role when a starter was unavailable. He is a player who, kept in the right roles, should make a coach relatively comfortable. There are many safeties in the league worse than Eric Smith, and alot worse at that.

 

 

The Jets KNEW they were not going to re-sign Greene. They should have

look at the others more, once they knew they were out of the race.

 

They were out of the race in Week 15.

 

Bilal Powell got almost 80% of his carries after game 7.

 

Guess you agree with Ducasse statement.

 

Or you made the edit while I was posting. Ducasse didn't even start, and did nothing to hurt himself last year.

 

Your last sentence made no sense-no surprise.

 

Considering you think contract and number are the same words I can see how the last sentence might make brain hurt. It's not particularly well written, but hardly incomprehensible.

[Scott Dierking]

Mauga, who was getting many of Scott's snaps early on, blew out his knee IIRC.

 

 

Smith relative to other team's 2nd and 3rd safeties really is not as dramatically bad as this board makes it seem. He's an NFL player, just not a starter. He only took a starter role when a starter was unavailable. He is a player who, kept in the right roles, should make a coach relatively comfortable. There are many safeties in the league worse than Eric Smith, and alot worse at that.

 

 

They were out of the race in Week 15.

 

Bilal Powell got almost 80% of his carries after game 7.

 

 

Or you made the edit while I was posting. Ducasse didn't even start, and did nothing to hurt himself last year.

 

 

Considering you think contract and number are the same words I can see how the last sentence might make brain hurt. It's not particularly well written, but hardly incomprehensible.

 

Luuulzzz

 

Jets OL coach Dave DeGuglielmo said the new platoon of Vlad Ducasse working in with LG Matt Slauson is "a directive from high above me."

Coach Rex Ryan insists the call was his, though speculation is mounting that GM Mike Tannenbaum ordered the coaches to play his 2010 second-round pick. It's clear that DeGuglielmo believes Ducasse belongs on the bench. "He's playing well enough to be an every-third-series guy -- maybe," said DeGuglielmo.

[SenorGato]

You don't read. This is pretty consistent throughout this offseason.

 

Coach Rex Ryan insists the call was his, though speculation is mounting
that GM Mike Tannenbaum ordered the coaches to play his 2010
second-round pick.

 

Luuuulz

[Scott Dierking]

You don't read. This is pretty consistent throughout this offseason.

 

 

Luuuulz

People speculating but Rex saying something different? Lulllz. You are such a media lackey. 

[Bleedin Green]

The Best defender in the league helps the team win games. I don't understand why this is so controversial.

 

While I'd dispute Revis as the best defender in the league, the truth is every player helps their team win games, that's why they're there.  Does he even help more than most of the league's CBs do?  Certainly.  What's controversial is the idea that he alone makes a vast difference in the Jets win-loss record (and according to you, even more of a difference than 3-5 other players could have), even though there is no evidence to support this position, despite your best efforts to claim otherwise.

[SenorGato]

People speculating but Rex saying something different? Lulllz. You are such a media lackey.

There's not even a quote from Ryan in there, dummy.

This again doesn't even take away from the fact that Ducasse didn't exactly sh*t the bed in his tiny role as 6th/7th OL.

[bitonti]

While I'd dispute Revis as the best defender in the league, the truth is every player helps their team win games, that's why they're there.  Does he even help more than most of the league's CBs do?  Certainly.  What's controversial is the idea that he alone makes a vast difference in the Jets win-loss record (and according to you, even more of a difference than 3-5 other players could have), even though there is no evidence to support this position, despite your best efforts to claim otherwise.

There's plenty of evidence. Look at revis' highlights. He made huge plays that directly changed the outcome of games. 

[Scott Dierking]

There's not even a quote from Ryan in there, dummy.

This again doesn't even take away from the fact that Ducasse didn't exactly sh*t the bed in his tiny role as 6th/7th OL.

Gato, the media lackey.

 

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2012/11/rex_ryan_asserts_decision_to_p.html

 

"This is something I’ve always believed in my heart," Ryan said.

 

Ducasse "can play," Ryan said. "He's going to get better. He is getting better."

 

“He’s played well enough to be an every third series guy,” DeGuglielmo said. “Maybe.”

[SenorGato]

Lol so he played well and got better?

****in Mets fans...reeeeeead what you think is killing for you.

[SenorGato]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000158576/article/darrelle-revis-trade-more-important-to-buccaneers-than-ny-jets

I think.I.missed this.

[Bleedin Green]

There's plenty of evidence. Look at revis' highlights. He made huge plays that directly changed the outcome of games. 

 

The interesting thing about Revis is, as great as he is, that's absolutely not what he is really all about.  The truth is he's never been particularly known for his ability to create turnovers, which is really what a DB's contribution is to "game changing plays" are in 99% of cases.  Once again, you miss the fairly clear point that nobody is saying that Revis has never made any high-impact plays, game-changing type plays in his career, it's rather that he doesn't make countless numbers of them that could not possibly be made or accounted for by any other players, as you would seem to want to have us believe.

 

Consider that you came up with a total of three examples throughout his career earlier, and of those three games you cited, the Jets won 2 of them by multiple scores and the other saw a special teams turnover for a TD precede Revis' INT, that was what ultimately brought the Jets back in the first place.  None of this is to say that Revis still isn't a great CB when healthy, it's simply disputing this unsupported theory that his presence drastically changes the Jets' record and that trading him would create an insurmountable loss for the Jets.  You point to the Jets poor season last year as some sort of proof of this, while ignoring the fact that the Jets' offense was quite clearly their biggest issue while failing to acknowledge the fact that in 2010, the Jets did fantastically without Revis (technically, better than they did with him).

[Sperm Edwards]

if you say so. Do you have other predictions? What are my lucky lotto numbers?

 

So now the odds of the Jets not winning a superbowl are the same as the odds of hitting the lotto numbers?

[SenorGato]

Jets defensive turnovers last year without Revis: 18th

 

Average position with Revis '08-'11: 6-7th

[bitonti]

  it's rather that he doesn't make countless numbers of them that could not possibly be made or accounted for by any other players, as you would seem to want to have us believe.

 

you are right bleedin he doesn't make countless huge plays. He only makes a moderate number of game winning plays a season. Maybe they can put that on his bust. "made plays but not countless amounts" 

 

BL the Jets are trading a guy with a legit shot at a bust in canton. Sorry im not as enthusiastic about it as everyone else. Altho is somehow the Bucs would eat the Sanchez contract, that's cushions the blow big time. 

[SenorGato]

you are right bleedin he doesn't make countless huge plays. He only makes a moderate number of game winning plays a season. Maybe they can put that on his bust. "made plays but not countless amounts" 

 

It's a true statement THO. Pass rushers make infinity plays and all of them are game changing. QBs even more so times like infinity. 

[Sperm Edwards]

When I think of Revis I think of the pick he made against Romo to beat the cowboys on 9-11. The 100 yard  pick-6 he made against Miami during monday night football. the pick 6 against carolina.

 

Big plays. That's what wins games.

 

When people say revis doesn't win games, that goes against my memory of Revis.

 

You guys maybe remember his hold outs when we talk about Revis. And I will grant that offseason Revis is a PITA.

 

But make no mistake when he's on the field he wins games. 

 

That big play interception in the Dallas game was on Romo, not Revis.  Romo threw it right at #24, underthrowing Bryant by about 6 yards on a relatively short pass.  Drew Coleman would have had little difficulty making the same exact play.  And besides, the playmaking play was from McKnight, not Revis.

 

But that's beside the point.  The guy's great and no one is disputing that.  He's the best I've ever seen but he doesn't win games on his own; that's silly.  McKnight and Romo are the reasons we won the Dallas game.  Matt Moore and Jake Delhomme being terrible QBs are the reasons we won the other two.  The road to the SB does not go through has-been Jake Delhommes and never-gonna-be Matt Moores.

 

In the AFCCG Peyton Manning - everyone's favorite post-season punching bag - showed us the value of a single shutdown corner.  Revis shut down Reggie Wayne and Manning still had almost 400 yards and 3 TDs (no picks). He'll stop a great WR, but he won't stop a great QB.  The latter takes a lot more than even the game's premiere cover corner.

[Bleedin Green]

Jets defensive turnovers last year without Revis: 18th

 

Average position with Revis '08-'11: 6-7th

 

Interesting you left out 2007.  Didn't feel like including the fact that the Jets were 31st that year, huh?  Another interesting fact is that the 2010 ranking that's in there includes a grand total of zero turnovers forced by Revis (none in the playoffs either).  So curious how none of these issues seemed to plague the Jets that year when without Revis during 3+ games and having him out of shape and certainly not performing at his level for a few more on top of that.

 

To think, all of that isn't even getting into the fact that you're actually trying to credit Revis for all of the plays made by his teammates in those years, which is completely absurd and absolutely baseless.

[Bleedin Green]

That big play interception in the Dallas game was on Romo, not Revis.  Romo threw it right at #24, underthrowing Bryant by about 6 yards on a relatively short pass.  Drew Coleman would have had little difficulty making the same exact play.  And besides, the playmaking play was from McKnight, not Revis.

 

But that's beside the point.  The guy's great and no one is disputing that.  He's the best I've ever seen but he doesn't win games on his own; that's silly.  McKnight and Romo are the reasons we won the Dallas game.  Matt Moore and Jake Delhomme being terrible QBs are the reasons we won the other two.  The road to the SB does not go through has-been Jake Delhommes and never-gonna-be Matt Moores.

 

In the AFCCG Peyton Manning - everyone's favorite post-season punching bag - showed us the value of a single shutdown corner.  Revis shut down Reggie Wayne and Manning still had almost 400 yards and 3 TDs (no picks). He'll stop a great WR, but he won't stop a great QB.  The latter takes a lot more than even the game's premiere cover corner.

 

Don't bother, they've both moved back into full-on straw man mode.  Be prepared to have your post chopped down to one sentence that will be followed up with some asinine response that has nothing to do with your point, and argues a position that has never once been made by you or anyone else, which bit and Gato will ultimately be convinced proves every single person who has ever disagreed with them about Revis wrong.

[bitonti]

Don't bother, they've both moved back into full-on straw man mode.  Be prepared to have your post chopped down to one sentence that will be followed up with some asinine response that has nothing to do with your point, and argues a position that has never once been made by you or anyone else, which bit and Gato will ultimately be convinced proves every single person who has ever disagreed with them about Revis wrong.

 

how does it feel to root for an already decimated team to trade it's best player? What's next? Burning down florham park and salting the Earth? 

[Bleedin Green]

how does it feel to root for an already decimated team to trade it's best player? What's next? Burning down florham park and salting the Earth? 

 

How does it feel to root for an already decimated team to cripple its foreseeable future and destroy its salary cap for one injured player with a poor attitude who has already shown an inability to lead the Jets' to a championship for 6 years?

 

 

See, it's not that hard, anyone can do it.

[SenorGato]

"Destroy" its salary cap is message board soap fan dramatization. It is a nonsense claim in the actual situation the Jets are in rather than the theoretical situation they should be in. None of you can can name this QB or pass rusher that "should" take up cap space.

Great teams do not trade great players in their prime.

[pedro55]

Jets defensive turnovers last year without Revis: 18th

 

Average position with Revis '08-'11: 6-7th

 

 The Jets in 2012 without Revis 6-10.

The Jets in 2011 with Revis 8-8.     

 

 Not exactly that big of a difference regardless of the stats you bring up.     

[pedro55]

That big play interception in the Dallas game was on Romo, not Revis.  Romo threw it right at #24, underthrowing Bryant by about 6 yards on a relatively short pass.  Drew Coleman would have had little difficulty making the same exact play.  And besides, the playmaking play was from McKnight, not Revis.

 

But that's beside the point.  The guy's great and no one is disputing that.  He's the best I've ever seen but he doesn't win games on his own; that's silly.  McKnight and Romo are the reasons we won the Dallas game.  Matt Moore and Jake Delhomme being terrible QBs are the reasons we won the other two.  The road to the SB does not go through has-been Jake Delhommes and never-gonna-be Matt Moores.

 

In the AFCCG Peyton Manning - everyone's favorite post-season punching bag - showed us the value of a single shutdown corner.  Revis shut down Reggie Wayne and Manning still had almost 400 yards and 3 TDs (no picks). He'll stop a great WR, but he won't stop a great QB.  The latter takes a lot more than even the game's premiere cover corner.

 

  People seem to forget that the Jets have been terrible against the Pats, even with Revis.    (4-8 with Revis,  0-2 without).. 

In 2011, the Pats and Brady scored 30 and 37 points. Both losses for the Jets.    Games like that kind of show you that as great as Revis is, good teams could care less that he's on the field.  They'll just dump off the ball, find a TE or find another receiver.  You know what most good NFL QBs normally do.  

[T0mShane]

http://twitter.com/#!/adbrandt/status/323430947422863361

Revis's agents keeping discontent public, goal of creating enough angst in Jets to cause reaction. Worked before, not sure now.

The difference between Idzik and that moron Tannenbaum, as diagnosed by Brandt.

[Sperm Edwards]

pedro55, on 14 Apr 2013 - 03:56, said:

People seem to forget that the Jets have been terrible against the Pats, even with Revis. (4-8 with Revis, 0-2 without)..

In 2011, the Pats and Brady scored 30 and 37 points. Both losses for the Jets. Games like that kind of show you that as great as Revis is, good teams could care less that he's on the field. They'll just dump off the ball, find a TE or find another receiver. You know what most good NFL QBs normally do.

And truthfully, of the 2 games without Revis, we'd have won if Hill could catch a ball that Sanchez actually threw perfectly for a change. Had nothing to do with Revis.

Those games in 2011 were with Revis AND Cromartie, which is not sustainable long-term anyway.

[SenorGato]

People seem to forget that the Jets have been terrible against the Pats, even with Revis. (4-8 with Revis, 0-2 without)..

In 2011, the Pats and Brady scored 30 and 37 points. Both losses for the Jets. Games like that kind of show you that as great as Revis is, good teams could care less that he's on the field. They'll just dump off the ball, find a TE or find another receiver. You know what most good NFL QBs normally do.

1) The Jets have played the Pats as well as anyone but the Giants in the league, and they don't see the Pats nearly as much as true Jets. Nobody has a .500+ record against the Pats, especially over that large a sample.

2) Teams score against Ware, Allen, Hali, Peppers, Mario, JPP, and so on. Temas just shouldn't invest in defense since offenses score.anyway. There's no point so.just have all the QBs, WRs, TEs, RBs, and OL that the cap can allow.

You've convinced yourself and are working after the fact to come up with anything, no matter how shallow, to allow yourself to.think that way. Fine, but not as stone right as you might like to think.

[dbatesman]

1) The Jets have played the Pats as well as anyone but the Giants in the league, and they don't see the Pats nearly as much as true Jets. Nobody has a .500+ record against the Pats, especially over that large a sample.

 

Since Rex got here, we're 3-6 against the Pats, with a negative point differential of 9.5 PPG.

[Larz]

all you need to know about revis is this

 

assuming the rumors are true, how many teams are lining up for him at his price ?

 

1 ?

[T0mShane]

Since Rex got here, we're 3-6 against the Pats, with a negative point differential of 9.5 PPG.

Yeah, but it was a GRITTY 3-6.

[Sperm Edwards]

1) The Jets have played the Pats as well as anyone but the Giants in the league, and they don't see the Pats nearly as much as true Jets. Nobody has a .500+ record against the Pats, especially over that large a sample.

2) Teams score against Ware, Allen, Hali, Peppers, Mario, JPP, and so on. Temas just shouldn't invest in defense since offenses score.anyway. There's no point so.just have all the QBs, WRs, TEs, RBs, and OL that the cap can allow.

You've convinced yourself and are working after the fact to come up with anything, no matter how shallow, to allow yourself to.think that way. Fine, but not as stone right as you might like to think.

 

What he's alluding to is that the "secret" to beating the Patriots is not by shutting down their best WR, which Revis is capable of doing like few others (if any).  You beat the Patriots by scoring dozens of points or by getting heavy pressure on Brady. You're not going to just put their top WR on Revis Island and chalk up your victory.  Nor is that the way you beat the Packers, Broncos, 49ers, Falcons, Saints, Steelers, etc. when they are the top teams.  You can beat the Lions, Cardinals, Panthers, Bears, and other one-receiving-weapon teams in that fashion, since they don't have enough other weapons if you shut down their stud WR.

[T0mShane]

all you need to know about revis is this

assuming the rumors are true, how many teams are lining up for him at his price ?

1 ?

In actuality: one

In secret: forty seven

[bitonti]

the fact that it's more than zero means he has trade value. 

[Sperm Edwards]

the fact that it's more than zero means he has trade value. 

 

Big whoop.  Tim Tebow had trade value last year.  

[Bleedin Green]

Big whoop.  Tim Tebow had trade value last year.  

 

I'm not sure that's a fair comparison.

 

I mean, come on, Tebow actually had more than one team interested in him.