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Some times you just have to say enough is enough- in  a ideal world you get everything you want- we do not live in an ideal world- take the three choices if that is the best we can get

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Funny thing is, we don’t have a clue what is actually going on here.  I doubt the media does either.

 

  As with the Eagles, and the Aso thing several years ago, for all we know there might be another team involved, and the Bucs are being manipulated the way the Jets were in the Aso signing.

 

Somebody needs to get in touch with Toon so we can get the truth from Charlie Burke.   

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the problem with 2014 draft picks is the Jets are losing their best player in 2013. And there will be 8 home games, despite all the "season is already over" gloom and doom. If they don't get a high pick this year, screw em. He's a 27 y.o 3x All Pro for christs sake. 

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the problem with 2014 draft picks is the Jets are losing their best player in 2013. And there will be 8 home games, despite all the "season is already over" gloom and doom. If they don't get a high pick this year, screw em. He's a 27 y.o 3x All Pro for christs sake. 

I think you might have mentioned that before.

 

Your right about the fact that the Jets are taking a major gamble that there might be a lot of empty seats in 2013.  They seem to be willing to take that business risk.

 

From the appearances of things, it seems that  Woody, and Idzik have decided not to pay Revis.  I suspect that even the 12 million isn’t on the table anymore.  This was decided before Idzik was hired.  Of course I don’t know that, but it sure looks like it by their behavior.  

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I want to hear that we at least made him an offer. It doesn't matter what these articles say. I want to hear we tried to sign him long term, and that the ego maniac laughed. THEN trade him.

 

Good point, I agree.  I don't want Revis to go at all, but if the Jets at least made a decent attempt to resign him and thru a reasonable offer at him.....then I wont care as much seeing him traded this year.

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the problem with 2014 draft picks is the Jets are losing their best player in 2013. And there will be 8 home games, despite all the "season is already over" gloom and doom. If they don't get a high pick this year, screw em. He's a 27 y.o 3x All Pro for christs sake. 

When all is said and done, they need to take the deal that keeps Revis from playing out the year and becoming a free agent in 2014. Otherwise, it'll be the Jets who are screwed.

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I'd like to see something coming back to us in this year's draft.  Give in to the #1 coming in 2014 and squeeze them for a 2nd or 3rd this year in addition to a 3rd next year?  The 6th is worthless and, if the actually Bucs improve by leaps and bounds (stranger things have happened), the 2014 1st and 3rd creep closer to 2nd and 4th round value.

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That was my initial reaction as well, but the more I considered it, the less appealing the offer became.  Basically, the Jets will recoup a third round compensatory pick if they let Revis walk in the offseason.  So the trade, on the Jets end, becomes Revis for a one and a six next year.  So if Tampa becomes more competitive this season following several key aquisitions, even the one won't likely be a top 20 pick.  The six is basically a throwaway.  So, is the deal for league's best defensive player really that attractive? Meh.  I think Idzik can afford to sit on it a while, and let the Bucs squirm. 

 

The 3rd round compensatory pick we'd get would have otherwise been the #1 pick in round 4.  It's only a "3rd round" pick in name because they're adding him to the end of the 3rd round.  But absent a 3rd round compensatory pick being awarded in a given year, that overall pick would have been pick 1 in round 4.

 

Also that compensatory pick isn't until 2015.  In terms of trade value (theoretical, since you can't trade a comp pick) the #1 pick in round 4 is worth the #1 pick in round 6 today.  And, as others have mentioned, we only get it if we sit on our hands and don't sign a premiere player in 2014 - at a more valuable position than CB - when we'll have plenty more cap space.

 

A 6th round pick next year is worth (in trade) a 5th round pick in 2015.  It is not a throwaway.  We got Slauson, 3-year starter on our OL, with a 6th round pick.  The (penciled in) starter at safety, Bush, was drafted with a 6th rounder.  Joel Dreesen, who we let go of after 1 year, was drafted with a 6th.  And these are just some Jets draft picks out of a small sample (since we didn't draft a player in round 6 in two of the past three drafts). It's not nearly as valuable as the 3rd or the 1st, of course, but it is not a throwaway.  

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I don't make the deal unless I can get picks in this draft.  I think it becomes a 2nd this year and a first next year when all is said and done.

 

That's where I think this ends up as well. And while it's less than I'd like ideally, that's far from a bad deal. If the Jets draft well that's a starter this year and ammo to get a QB next year. Not bad.

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Good point, I agree.  I don't want Revis to go at all, but if the Jets at least made a decent attempt to resign him and thru a reasonable offer at him.....then I wont care as much seeing him traded this year.

Exactly. We hear rumors of this and that, but not once have we heard that we made an offer.. even a low ball offer.

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All we are getting is rumors.  All the media is getting is rumors, but for some strange reason, the fans accept the media’s rumors as gospel.  Even though we know they have lied to us repeatedly about “undisclosed sources”  Anything we read form the scribes has no more credence that what posters on here write.

 

The latest  undisclosed source (me)  thinks the Jets have not made Revis any kind of an offer, nor do they intend to, unless the whole trade thing completely falls apart.  That would be a horrible start to the Idzik era.

 

IMO, they have all ready decided, during Idzik’s hiring sessions, they are trading Revis.  

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Did someone request my services? lol   Well the way Charlie hears it...  The compensation would be for next years draft and the jets insist the pick be for this year. At least the first rounder...  My opinion is that why are the jets so hard after the picks for this year? We are rebuilding and there are no really true out of this world franchise type QB this year anyways.. We will possibly have a top 5 pick next year and if you add the Bucs first rounder we can have a shot at Johnny Football if he comes out and several other prospects.. Other then receiver... this is a weak draft...

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It's very important that the Jets new GM not get screwed here. Everyone talks about the "worst case" of the Jets losing him for only a 3rd. The real worst case is the Jets new GM first major move is to get screwed out of the team's best player. And by the way trading Revis this year puts 13 mil dead money on the cap. It should be worth while in the short term, otherwise no deal. The league should know that the Jets aren't easily bent over. That's worth something. 

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It's very important that the Jets new GM not get screwed here. Everyone talks about the "worst case" of the Jets losing him for only a 3rd. The real worst case is the Jets new GM first major move is to get screwed out of the team's best player. And by the way trading Revis this year puts 13 mil dead money on the cap. It should be worth while in the short term, otherwise no deal. The league should know that the Jets aren't easily bent over. That's worth something. 

I’m not so sure if a team like the Dolphins sign him in 2014 for 0 compensation they will really have been taught a lesson that the Jets won’t be bent over

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If this is true Idzik needs to do this immediately

 

If he takes too long and the deal falls through he'll irrepairably damage his reputation with NY fans.  He'll be forever known as the guy who let Revis go for nothing when he could have gotten 3 picks.

Im a NY Jet fan and I highly doubt this statement.

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I don't believe that anyone will give Revis $14-16MM per.  The Bucs don't need to give him that much.  This is agentspeak, IMO.  His price tag has dropped due to market forces. 

Not necessarily so. What other CB's got paid is their salary for that team. Revis is much better than any of those guys signed mixed with the fact that the Bucs are most desperate in the secondary column and have more than enough money to afford it.

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I’m not so sure if a team like the Dolphins sign him in 2014 for 0 compensation they will really have been taught a lesson that the Jets won’t be bent over

 

I love it how on one hand, Revis is overpriced, selfish, doesn't play important position and a team can't build around him.

 

But on the other hand God help us if he lands in the division. 

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I love it how on one hand, Revis is overpriced, selfish, doesn't play important position and a team can't build around him.

 

But on the other hand God help us if he lands in the division. 

 

That's because two things that are different, tend to be treated as such.  Most people agree that he is overpriced, selfish and doesn't play a position warranted of the contract he is rumored to want (which is different than you putting words in their mouth saying it's not an important position).

 

None of those facts take away from him being a phenomenal player, one who you don't want in your division.  I'm not sure how you're confusing the two.

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I love it how on one hand, Revis is overpriced, selfish, doesn't play important position and a team can't build around him.

But on the other hand God help us if he lands in the division.

These are not mutually exclusive propositions.

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The 3rd round compensatory pick we'd get would have otherwise been the #1 pick in round 4.  It's only a "3rd round" pick in name because they're adding him to the end of the 3rd round.  But absent a 3rd round compensatory pick being awarded in a given year, that overall pick would have been pick 1 in round 4.

 

Also that compensatory pick isn't until 2015.  In terms of trade value (theoretical, since you can't trade a comp pick) the #1 pick in round 4 is worth the #1 pick in round 6 today.  And, as others have mentioned, we only get it if we sit on our hands and don't sign a premiere player in 2014 - at a more valuable position than CB - when we'll have plenty more cap space.

 

A 6th round pick next year is worth (in trade) a 5th round pick in 2015.  It is not a throwaway.  We got Slauson, 3-year starter on our OL, with a 6th round pick.  The (penciled in) starter at safety, Bush, was drafted with a 6th rounder.  Joel Dreesen, who we let go of after 1 year, was drafted with a 6th.  And these are just some Jets draft picks out of a small sample (since we didn't draft a player in round 6 in two of the past three drafts). It's not nearly as valuable as the 3rd or the 1st, of course, but it is not a throwaway.  

Not a throwaway, no.  Poor choice of words.  But of minimal value should the Bucs have a season on the plus side of the ledger, making that pick a late 6th.  For as many 6th rounders that remain in the league, there are far more who never see a regular season snap.  It's just the statistical reality.  AS far as the third being a late third, or a really late third, does it make that big a difference in the grand scheme? I'm not saying I wouldn't pull the trigger, Just that I don't mind Idzik's poker face.  For years Tanny capitulated in trades like the Tebow debacle.  Nice to have a real dog in the fight, that''s all.   

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I love it how on one hand, Revis is overpriced, selfish, doesn't play important position and a team can't build around him.

 

But on the other hand God help us if he lands in the division. 

No player is over paid.  Any player is worth what a team is willing to pay him.  If a team is foolish, and is willing to pay Revis 16 million, or what ever, to them he is worth that. 

 

He’s just not worth it to the Jets right now.

 

In 2013, even with Revis’ depressed salary, The Jets CB’s will count more against the cap, at over 20 million, then any team in the NFL.  In 2014, with Revis no longer on the team, the CB’s cap hit, will still be highest in the NFL, at over 24 million.

 

They seemingly don’t want to add any more to that unbalance.  Which should  bring up another drama next season when Cro counts over 15 million against the cap

 

Revis is a good player, no team wants one of their good players to go to a division rival.  Simple

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Revis is a good player, no team wants one of their good players to go to a division rival.  Simple

 

 

the way you guys talk about him, it's like he's a poison pill for the Jets. Why can't he be a poison pill for the Dolphins? 

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Not a throwaway, no.  Poor choice of words.  But of minimal value should the Bucs have a season on the plus side of the ledger, making that pick a late 6th.  For as many 6th rounders that remain in the league, there are far more who never see a regular season snap.  It's just the statistical reality.  AS far as the third being a late third, or a really late third, does it make that big a difference in the grand scheme? I'm not saying I wouldn't pull the trigger, Just that I don't mind Idzik's poker face.  For years Tanny capitulated in trades like the Tebow debacle.  Nice to have a real dog in the fight, that''s all.   

 

Agreed.  But if the Jets (read: Woody) is hell-bent on not engaging in contract talks with Revis, feeling his top offer would be maybe $10M that Revis would turn down, then I'd take a 1+3+6 this year or next year.  This year would be better I suppose only because you know what you're getting.  At some point I don't want him to overplay his hand.  Revis is a big trade chip, but so far it seems there is only one team that thinks so.  If that one team loses interest, and if we don't want to offer what Revis will accept, then this is better than the privilege of having him for 1 more season where we are not going to be serious superbowl contenders.

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the way you guys talk about him, it's like he's a poison pill for the Jets. Why can't he be a poison pill for the Dolphins? 

The way the Dolphins are spending money this year, if they were to sign Revis next year, and don’t win a Super Bowl, he will be a poison pill.  At least for their GM.

 

Which will make Fish fans rejoice 

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Agreed.  But if the Jets (read: Woody) is hell-bent on not engaging in contract talks with Revis, feeling his top offer would be maybe $10M that Revis would turn down, then I'd take a 1+3+6 this year or next year.  This year would be better I suppose only because you know what you're getting.  At some point I don't want him to overplay his hand.  Revis is a big trade chip, but so far it seems there is only one team that thinks so.  If that one team loses interest, and if we don't want to offer what Revis will accept, then this is better than the privilege of having him for 1 more season where we are not going to be serious superbowl contenders.

Sperm gets an A for the day.

 

Good post

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Im a NY Jet fan and I highly doubt this statement.

 

I didn't say it was fair, but it is a reality.  If Idzik gets anything less than multiple high round picks, or lets Revis walk with nothing but a 3rd rounder to show for it, he'll be destroyed.  Every decision he makes going forward will be compared to how he handled the Revis situation.

 

Do you think a "regular" Jet fan remembers any of Tannys good moves?

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