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E.J. Manuel says Eagles, Bills and Jets are showing strong interest

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 17, 2013, 11:05 AM EDT


Former Florida State quarterback E.J. Manuel says three teams with Top 10 picks are showing strong interest in drafting him.

Manuel said on the Dan Patrick Show that the Eagles (who own the No. 4 overall pick), the Bills (No. 8) and the Jets (No. 9) have all made him feel like there’s a good chance they’ll select him.

“I feel really good about the Philadelphia Eagles, I feel really good about the Buffalo Bills, I feel really good about the New York Jets,” Manuel said. “I met with even more teams than that, but those are some of the teams I feel really confident in. I know they need quarterbacks, I know they want quarterbacks, they have brand new coaching staffs and things like that, so they want a fresh start. They want an energetic kind of quarterback to come in and play.”

Not many people expect Manuel to go in the Top 10 overall, and in fact plenty of people don’t think he’s a first-round pick at all. So if those teams are showing interest in Manuel, it may be to take him in the second round.

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derp    765

Would be quite a leap of faith to take Manuel top 10. Good on paper but needs some work. Seems like a classic Bills move in the top 10.

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His agent is taking a page out of the Drew Rosenhaus book. He is not a Top 10 pick. He is not worthy of a first round pick. But by self promoting himself as a Top 10 pick he is raising his stock!

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RSJ    36,532

No problem taking him in the second or at the end of the first. I can't see him going in the top 10.

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faba    117,901

Unless teams are really reaching he should not be in the first round

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Greenseed4    1,342

+1 above.

 

Just because the pickins are slim doesn't mean we need to sacrifice an early pick on a position that can be addressed next year. 

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jetsjetsjetss    110

+1 above.

 

Just because the pickins are slim doesn't mean we need to sacrifice an early pick on a position that can be addressed next year. 

 

why does everyone keep saying this. Who is good in next years draft? None seem to be that great

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CrazyCarl40    49,436

so, you guys are ok with Mark for another year?

We're stuck with him but that doesn't mean he has to play. Tebow will be gone. I'm not sure that McElroy will make it through camp but I bet he will once Garrard eventually breaks down. I think you take a guy with promise in the 4th or 5th and see what happens.

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BroadwayJoe12    16,412

We're stuck with him but that doesn't mean he has to play. Tebow will be gone. I'm not sure that McElroy will make it through camp but I bet he will once Garrard eventually breaks down. I think you take a guy with promise in the 4th or 5th and see what happens.

 

 

I understand not wanting to reach on certain players, but doesn't it seem a bit backwards that you would rather pass on the best QB in this class as he's the best of a sh*tty group, but you'd rather give the lesser of the "sh*tty class" a chance, simply because he wouldn't be considered a "reach?"

 

Again, I'm not advocating for any particular quarterback, I just never get the idea of people wanting to pass on the best QBs that year as they might seem like a reach, but wholeheartedly support the idea of draft a sh*tty quarterback in the middle rounds and hope they can develop him.  

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CrazyCarl40    49,436

I understand not wanting to reach on certain players, but doesn't it seem a bit backwards that you would rather pass on the best QB in this class as he's the best of a sh*tty group, but you'd rather give the lesser of the "sh*tty class" a chance, simply because he wouldn't be considered a "reach?"

Again, I'm not advocating for any particular quarterback, I just never get the idea of people wanting to pass on the best QBs that year as they might seem like a reach, but wholeheartedly support the idea of draft a sh*tty quarterback in the middle rounds and hope they can develop him.

You'd have to prove to me Geno Smith is without a doubt the best QB in this class. Some scouts are mixed.

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T0mShane    90,845

You'd have to prove to me Geno Smith is without a doubt the best QB in this class. Some scouts are mixed.

Some scouts swore that Ryan Leaf was better than Peyton Manning.

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slats    96,058

I understand not wanting to reach on certain players, but doesn't it seem a bit backwards that you would rather pass on the best QB in this class as he's the best of a sh*tty group, but you'd rather give the lesser of the "sh*tty class" a chance, simply because he wouldn't be considered a "reach?"

 

Again, I'm not advocating for any particular quarterback, I just never get the idea of people wanting to pass on the best QBs that year as they might seem like a reach, but wholeheartedly support the idea of draft a sh*tty quarterback in the middle rounds and hope they can develop him.  

A lot of pressure on everyone involved if the Jets take a QB at #9. If Idzik isn't sure about the guy, I don't see him pulling the trigger. Don't know what he's thinking about Rex for sure, either. Does he spend #9 on a QB that fits Mornhinweg's system, only to let Mornhinweg go after the season? Too many variables, I think - unless he really loves a guy.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him "reach" for a QB in the later rounds, though. Maybe take a guy like Dysert a round allegedly too early.

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Stonehands    11,216

We're stuck with him but that doesn't mean he has to play. Tebow will be gone. I'm not sure that McElroy will make it through camp but I bet he will once Garrard eventually breaks down. I think you take a guy with promise in the 4th or 5th and see what happens.

You'll certainly never make a high profile mistake with that philosophy...but, you will probably also never draft a franchise QB that way either. Without a franchise QB, you don't have a team. QB is not like an offensive guard or a safety, you can't just stick some guy in the position and hope to win games. You need a great QB and the chance of finding them later in the draft is very remote.

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CrazyCarl40    49,436

You'll certainly never make a high profile mistake with that philosophy...but, you will probably also never draft a franchise QB that way either. Without a franchise QB, you don't have a team. QB is not like an offensive guard or a safety, you can't just stick some guy in the position and hope to win games. You need a great QB and the chance of finding them later in the draft is very remote.

Okay. I don't believe there is a franchise QB in this draft. That's just me. So why would we waste a pick in the early part of the draft on something that isn't there?

You're almost as likely to bust in a first round QB as you are to find a great QB.

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rillo    52,061

As a FSU fan, this guy SUCKS! Maybe take a chance in the 6th round or something. 

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kelticwizard    9,529

You'll certainly never make a high profile mistake with that philosophy...but, you will probably also never draft a franchise QB that way either. Without a franchise QB, you don't have a team. QB is not like an offensive guard or a safety, you can't just stick some guy in the position and hope to win games. You need a great QB and the chance of finding them later in the draft is very remote.

 

I did some research once and looked up the draft position of the top 16 QB's, (by QB rating, which I'm not crazy about but what the hell).  This was a few years ago.

 

Eight were first rounders, (though not all with their original team), three were second rounders, and the rest were evenly distributed across the rest of the draft and undrafted free agents.

 

This business of "well we need a QB so let's see who's there on the fourth round" doesn't cut it.  I love Russel Wilson but what he did doesn't happen often.

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BroadwayJoe12    16,412

I did some research once and looked up the draft position of the top 16 QB's, (by QB rating, which I'm not crazy about but what the hell).  This was a few years ago.

 

Eight were first rounders, (though not all with their original team), three were second rounders, and the rest were evenly distributed across the rest of the draft and undrafted free agents.

 

This business of "well we need a QB so let's see who's there on the fourth round" doesn't cut it.  I love Russel Wilson but what he did doesn't happen often.

 

 

I believe it's even more exaggerated than that, but I can't recall the exact numbers.  Scott from NFLDC did a long retrospective analysis of all the successful QBs in the league for a number of years (forgot what he labeled as successful; maybe it was pro bowl or maybe it was just starter etc.) and the overwhelming majority were all first rounders and of those first rounders a lot were top half of the draft.  It's just so rare to actually hit on a QB outside of the first or even high second round.

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slats    96,058

I did some research once and looked up the draft position of the top 16 QB's, (by QB rating, which I'm not crazy about but what the hell).  This was a few years ago.

 

Eight were first rounders, (though not all with their original team), three were second rounders, and the rest were evenly distributed across the rest of the draft and undrafted free agents.

 

This business of "well we need a QB so let's see who's there on the fourth round" doesn't cut it.  I love Russel Wilson but what he did doesn't happen often.

This is true, but does drafting EJ Manuel in the first round make him a first rounder? :D

The Jets need a QB badly in a bad year for QBs. Pretty typical.

If they scout these guys and opt to take one high, I'll be optimistic about it as I always try to be - but I think I prefer the late rounder with upside this year, and making a bolder move for a QB in the ever elusive future.

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kelticwizard    9,529

This is true, but does drafting EJ Manuel in the first round make him a first rounder? :biggrin:

 

For the philosophy of grab-the-guy-you-want-as-soon-as-you-can to work, you first must actually want the guy you're grabbing.  That is to say, you must honestly feel that with the right development, this guy can make you a contender.

 

If the Jets don't think there is a QB out there that they consider worthy of a multi-year commitment to develop, then they shouldn't draft him first round.  But you don't draft later rounds to get your starting QB.  You draft later rounds to get a project who you hope will be a capable backup in a couple of years.  If he turns out to be more than that-so much the better.  Just don't count on it.

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JiF    125,351

Hopefully the strong interest is if he falls to the 6th round.  Because thats about his worth at the next level. 

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Stonehands    11,216

I did some research once and looked up the draft position of the top 16 QB's, (by QB rating, which I'm not crazy about but what the hell).  This was a few years ago.

 

Eight were first rounders, (though not all with their original team), three were second rounders, and the rest were evenly distributed across the rest of the draft and undrafted free agents.

 

This business of "well we need a QB so let's see who's there on the fourth round" doesn't cut it.  I love Russel Wilson but what he did doesn't happen often.

 

When an average draft has a couple of first round QB's and nearly a dozen QB's drafted after that, you can see that the "hit rate" of finding a top QB is much better if you are shopping in the first round aisle as opposed to panning for gold in the bargain bin.

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