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The Jets will have ~$50 mil in cap space in 2014


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#26 aec4

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Posted 21 April 2013 - 05:49 PM

I'm not a fan of 16 a year for a cb but if we are going to be 50 under?
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 05:53 PM

I'm not a fan of 16 a year for a cb but if we are going to be 50 under?


50 under with no QBs, no WR #1, no RB #1, no TE #1, no OGs and holes on the defense. But yeah.
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 06:13 PM

So who the hell are we're going to spend $40m/plus on?


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 06:19 PM

So who the hell are we're going to spend $40m/plus on?

 

Got this from another site: didn't feel like combing through all the players that may or may not have received a new contract, but I took off the major names like Clay Matthews and Romo etc. So take it all with a grain of salt. 

 

 

2014 NFL Free Agents
 

QB’s

Matt Ryan- Atlanta

 

Jay Cutler- Chicago

Josh Freeman- Tampa Bay

 

RB’s

Maurice Jones-Drew- Jacksonville

Darren McFadden- Oakland

Ben Tate- Houston

Vonta Leach- Baltimore

John Kuhn- Green Bay

 

WR’s

Hakeem Nicks- New York Giants

Eric Decker- Denver

Jeremy Maclin- Philadelphia

Mike Williams- Tampa Bay

James Jones- Green Bay

Anquan Boldin- San Francisco

Golden Tate- Seattle

Devin Hester- Chicago

 

TE’s

Jimmy Graham- New Orleans

Jermichael Finley- Green Bay

Brandon Pettigrew- Detroit

Greg Olsen- Carolina

Dustin Keller- Miami

 

OL

Michael Oher- Baltimore

Eric Wood- Buffalo

Jared Veldheer- Oakland

Dominic Raiola- Detroit

Alex Mack- Cleveland

 

DL

Marcell Dareus- Buffalo

Geno Atkins- Cincinnati

Carlos Dunlap- Cincinnati

Justin Tuck- New York Giants

Jared Allen- Minnesota

Justin Smith- San Francisco

Paul Soliai- Miami

Randy Starks- Miami

Brett Keisel- Pittsburgh

 

LB’s

 

Brian Orakpo- Washington

Brian Cushing- Houston

Jonathan Vilma- New Orleans

Jason Worilds- Pittsburgh

 

CB’s

Charles Tillman- Chicago

Tim Jennings- Chicago

Tarell Brown- San Francisco

Josh Wilson- Washington

Aqib Talib- New England

Vontae Davis- Indianapolis

 

S

Kam Chancellor- Seattle

Troy Polamalu- Pittsburgh

TJ Ward- Cleveland

Malcom Jenkins- New Orleans

 
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 06:21 PM

50 under with no QBs, no WR #1, no RB #1, no TE #1, no OGs and holes on the defense. But yeah.

 

If they didn't trade him, they'd've lost him next year, and they'd have $41M million in cap space, and the same number of openings. 


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 06:27 PM

So who the hell are we're going to spend $40m/plus on?

 

2014 Free Agents : 

 

QBs  -   Matt Ryan (extended or franchised),  Jay Cutler, Josh Freeman

RBs  -  Maurice Jones-Drew, Darren McFadden, Ben Tate, Vonta Leach, John Kuhn, 
WRs -  Hakeem Nicks (probably franchised), Eric Decker, Jeremy Maclin, Mike Williams,  Anquan Boldin, Golden Tate, Devin Hester

TEs  -  Jimmy Graham(franchised), Jermichael Finley, Brandon Pettigew, Greg Olsen,  Dustin Keller
OL   -   Michale Oher, Eric Wood, Jared Veldheer, Dominic Railoa, Alex Mack

 

DL  - Marcell Dareus, Geno Atkins(franchised), Carlos Dunlap, Justin Tuck, Jared Allen, Justin Smith, Paul Soliai, Randy Starks, Brad Kiesel

LBs -  Brian Orakpo(franchised), Brian Cushing(franchised), Jonathan Vilma, Jason Worilds

CBs - Charles Tillman, Tim Jennings, Tarell Brown, Josh Wilson, Aquib Talib, Vontae Davis

S  - Kam Chancellor, Troy Palamalu, TJ Ward, Malcom Jenkins, 

 

K - Sebastina Janikowski
 

 

 

 Matt Ryan is working on an extension and if nothing happens, they'll franchise the guy.  How many Pro Bowl like QBs who make the playoffs every year get dumped?   They only get cut when teams have a replacement and they think the QB is past their prime.  Or a QB gets a bad injury and they decide to move onto some other #1 QB pick.

 

The other issue is if the Jets just are bad and they dump the entire coaching staff, how many free agents will even want to come here? Great you can offer more money, but how much more compared to some other winning team?  And after the past few years, the Jets rep is not a good one.  As somebody else said,  how many free agents, unless they are dumb and just not as good as you'd hope, jump to the Jags, Bills, Browns, Raiders, etc?   And this season the Jets look like they are in that conversation.   


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 06:31 PM

2014 Free Agents : 

 

QBs  -   Matt Ryan (extended or franchised),  Jay Cutler, Josh Freeman

RBs  -  Maurice Jones-Drew, Darren McFadden, Ben Tate, Vonta Leach, John Kuhn, 
WRs -  Hakeem Nicks (probably franchised), Eric Decker, Jeremy Maclin, Mike Williams,  Anquan Boldin, Golden Tate, Devin Hester

TEs  -  Jimmy Graham(franchised), Jermichael Finley, Brandon Pettigew, Greg Olsen,  Dustin Keller
OL   -   Michale Oher, Eric Wood, Jared Veldheer, Dominic Railoa, Alex Mack

 

DL  - Marcell Dareus, Geno Atkins(franchised), Carlos Dunlap, Justin Tuck, Jared Allen, Justin Smith, Paul Soliai, Randy Starks, Brad Kiesel

LBs -  Brian Orakpo(franchised), Brian Cushing(franchised), Jonathan Vilma, Jason Worilds

CBs - Charles Tillman, Tim Jennings, Tarell Brown, Josh Wilson, Aquib Talib, Vontae Davis

S  - Kam Chancellor, Troy Palamalu, TJ Ward, Malcom Jenkins, 

 

K - Sebastina Janikowski
 

It's really not very helpful to post this. The percentage of these players who will actually be URA's is very very low. 


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 06:47 PM

It's really not very helpful to post this. The percentage of these players who will actually be URA's is very very low. 

 

  But thats my point.  These are the guys potentially on the list and there aren't a ton of "we will sign him" kind of guys.  

So with all this money next year, who will the Jets really sign?   Seems more like they will just be saving money for Woody.

 

 Plus if any of their one year injury prone guys does well this season, they'll have to pay them more next year, like Landry. Or watch those guys leave and then be forced to sign somebody to replace them.    


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:11 PM

How does this replace Revis dammit? How? HOW? *in whiny Jets fan voice
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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:17 PM

How does this replace Revis dammit? How? HOW? *in whiny Jets fan voice

 

  You don't need to replace Revis with Revis, but you need to replace him somehow.  Look at the Pats and Welker.. The guy who had over 100 Receptions every year since he became a Patriot, they let go, and they went and signed some other younger version like a week later.   He might not be Welker, but if he puts up close to it, no loss.  

 

 The Jets need to start replacing players and not just dumping them. It's easy to just slash the entire team, slash some more salary next year(Holmes, Sanchez, etc) and have a ton of cap space.   But you need to actually start drafting replacement players and bringing in long term solutions.  Otherwise you have a team of one year rental players that aren't very good.    

 

 I'm watching what the Jets are doing with a close eye because there is a fear I have that this is more about cutting costs than rebuilding. If they have a great draft, then it's golden. If they seem to trade down and just pick up guards and tackles,  you start to wonder what are they building.

 

 All I know is over the years, the Jets seem to dump their young star players more often than not.  Sometimes it's valid, other times it's one of those, should we really have done that. And they never replaced Abraham.. And its how many years later?   Vilma..He was out of position and he went to the Saints and won a super bowl.    Johnson years ago never lived up to the #1 hype, but he put up good numbers and won a super bowl.   Now Revis.     Eventually you have to wonder if the Jets just dont' like having 'larger than life " good players on their team.


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 07:55 PM

  But thats my point.  These are the guys potentially on the list and there aren't a ton of "we will sign him" kind of guys.  

So with all this money next year, who will the Jets really sign?   Seems more like they will just be saving money for Woody.

 

 Plus if any of their one year injury prone guys does well this season, they'll have to pay them more next year, like Landry. Or watch those guys leave and then be forced to sign somebody to replace them.    

 

How do you describe Tampa then? They're paying Revis $16M and VJ $11M and and Nicks and Joseph and so forth.  But the reason they were able to is because they had the cap space to do it.  In time they'll learn, as the Jets did, that while you can fit a handful of these guys on your team, it doesn't leave much room for much else. 

 

Next year they'll have 7 players making $6M+, Zuttah making $4M, and no other positional players under contract - including QB - who make even $2M (while today technically being over the 2014 cap, and Freeman - who will cost at least $10M/year to bring back if he isn't awful again - isn't even signed yet).  Sound familiar?  A handful of very good to great players and then no one else on the team worthy of low-end starter money.  If they don't hit on 2-3 draft picks per year with that structure they're going to have a tough time making noise even if Freeman is a somewhat reliable QB.  They'll just have too many holes for other teams to exploit. 

 

This year is different for them because two of the players they signed to enormous contracts - Jackson & Nicks - are each getting less than $1M in base salary after they restructured to backload some more bonus money to free up 2013 dollars.  It'll catch up with them the same way those maneuvers caught up with us.


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:07 PM

How do you describe Tampa then? They're paying Revis $16M and VJ $11M and and Nicks and Joseph and so forth.  But the reason they were able to is because they had the cap space to do it.  In time they'll learn, as the Jets did, that while you can fit a handful of these guys on your team, it doesn't leave much room for much else. 

 

Next year they'll have 7 players making $6M+, Zuttah making $4M, and no other positional players under contract - including QB - who make even $2M (while today technically being over the 2014 cap, and Freeman - who will cost at least $10M/year to bring back if he isn't awful again - isn't even signed yet).  Sound familiar?  A handful of very good to great players and then no one else on the team worthy of low-end starter money.  If they don't hit on 2-3 draft picks per year with that structure they're going to have a tough time making noise even if Freeman is a somewhat reliable QB.  They'll just have too many holes for other teams to exploit. 

 

This year is different for them because two of the players they signed to enormous contracts - Jackson & Nicks - are each getting less than $1M in base salary after they restructured to backload some more bonus money to free up 2013 dollars.  It'll catch up with them the same way those maneuvers caught up with us.

 

 I think the Bucs are nuts for spending what they are spending. As great as Revis is, if Freeman still sucks, the Bucs will fall with him.  The problem the Jets have is they can have all the money in the world, but if they don't hit with most of their draft picks,  they'll just be a team with 50 Million to spend on the few players who want to come.    Look at the Bills. They had some cap space, spent a ton, and still sucked.    And who is to say the Jets aren't in the same Boat as the Bucs in a few seasons.  They go 7-9, have some money, and sign a Revis or Mario Williams to some absurd contract.  Doesn't mean they win.  

 

 it's about drafting well and then signing some key free agents to mentor, provide depth etc.  Or you lose a Welker type, replace him with somebody similar.   

The Jets lose Greene, who wasn't that good, and replace him with a bunch of injury prone backup scrubs.  And if they bring in Ivory, the guy isn't exactly that much cheaper than Greene. At least Greene has done something in the NFL. And thats not saying much at all.   This is where I worry because the jets don't seem to replace people or know how.  They lose Abraham years ago and they still have no replacements.  Their WRs have been nothing special for years.  They dump Thomas Jones and thought Greene would be the guy. Except he wasn't.   They dump Faneca, never really replaced him.  At least they dumped Mahwae and replaced him with Mangold.  

 

Thats all a previous regime, but so far all we have is a regime who is intent on cutting all the fat and then some, and no clue if they know how to build a winning organization.  We can only hope.  And thats where this years draft will tell us a lot about what they plan on doing.  


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:18 PM

 I think the Bucs are nuts for spending what they are spending. As great as Revis is, if Freeman still sucks, the Bucs will fall with him.  The problem the Jets have is they can have all the money in the world, but if they don't hit with most of their draft picks,  they'll just be a team with 50 Million to spend on the few players who want to come.    Look at the Bills. They had some cap space, spent a ton, and still sucked.    And who is to say the Jets aren't in the same Boat as the Bucs in a few seasons.  They go 7-9, have some money, and sign a Revis or Mario Williams to some absurd contract.  Doesn't mean they win.  

 

 it's about drafting well and then signing some key free agents to mentor, provide depth etc.  Or you lose a Welker type, replace him with somebody similar.   

The Jets lose Greene, who wasn't that good, and replace him with a bunch of injury prone backup scrubs.  And if they bring in Ivory, the guy isn't exactly that much cheaper than Greene. At least Greene has done something in the NFL. And thats not saying much at all.   This is where I worry because the jets don't seem to replace people or know how.  They lose Abraham years ago and they still have no replacements.  Their WRs have been nothing special for years.  They dump Thomas Jones and thought Greene would be the guy. Except he wasn't.   They dump Faneca, never really replaced him.  At least they dumped Mahwae and replaced him with Mangold.  

 

Thats all a previous regime, but so far all we have is a regime who is intent on cutting all the fat and then some, and no clue if they know how to build a winning organization.  We can only hope.  And thats where this years draft will tell us a lot about what they plan on doing.  

 

They do replace players.  You just have to realize it when it happens.  

 

They lost Vilma & replaced him with Harris.

They lost Mawae & replaced him with Mangold.

They lost Law & replaced him with Revis.

They lost Pennington & replaced him with Favre.

They lost Favre & replaced him with Sanchez.

They lost Coles & replaced him with Edwards.

They lost Hobson & replaced him with Pace.

They lost Barton & replaced him with Harris.

 

Now the problem with these moves and many others is just that the replacements weren't always upgrades, and in some cases were severe downgrades despite the high price paid for the replacement.  But they weren't moves that were made to replace a high-priced or high-performance player with a dirt-cheap scrub just to save money.  Plus there were a couple of years (2010-2011) in a row the Jets were prevented from markedly upgrading free agents because of their final-4 finish the prior season.


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:33 PM

Is that nyjetscap Jason?

 

One and the same. I try to keep the feeds separate but obviously lots of Jets crossover today. Plus nyjetscap is lacking on updates lately while I deal with getting OTC up and running. 


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 08:35 PM

They do replace players.  You just have to realize it when it happens.  

 

They lost Vilma & replaced him with Harris.

They lost Mawae & replaced him with Mangold.

They lost Law & replaced him with Revis.

They lost Pennington & replaced him with Favre.

They lost Favre & replaced him with Sanchez.

They lost Coles & replaced him with Edwards.

They lost Hobson & replaced him with Pace.

They lost Barton & replaced him with Harris.

 

Now the problem with these moves and many others is just that the replacements weren't always upgrades, and in some cases were severe downgrades despite the high price paid for the replacement.  But they weren't moves that were made to replace a high-priced or high-performance player with a dirt-cheap scrub just to save money.  Plus there were a couple of years (2010-2011) in a row the Jets were prevented from markedly upgrading free agents because of their final-4 finish the prior season.

 

 Oh I said that they replaced Mawae with Mangold. And it was a great replacement.   Harris for Vilma, who knows, it was at least a plan to replace him. But now its Harris for Vilma and Barton?  Harris was never that good to think he'd replace both.

Favre wasn't a replacement for Pennington. He was a PR move by Woody and Tanny. Just like Tebow.  If he stayed retired or the Packers didn't do what they did, he would have stayed on the Packers or went to the Vikings.  And that was at the last minute.  It wasn't like the Jets were desperate to make a run for Favre.  That wasn't replacing Pennington, that was just going after some PR stunt and hoping it worked out.   Kellen Clemens was supposed to replace Pennington. He didn't, but it was an attempt.   And then Favre was retiring again and it didn't seem like the Jets and the new HC wanted anything to do with him. So they were all out going to try and get Sanchez.    That was their guy. 

 

 And come on with Ty Law. He played one season for the Jets.  Revis wasn't drafted until 2007, Law was cut in 2006.  So who replaced Law during the 2006 season?  That is just trying to make a connection that doesn't exist.

 

 So yes, they've made moves over the years to replace players, but it seems they don't try and replace stars.  Vilma is great, but Abraham was supposed to be a beast. He might have never lived up to that hype, but he's been a pretty good Defensive force over the years.  They never replaced him.   Revis is now gone and who knows if they will ever replace him.   


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Posted 21 April 2013 - 09:04 PM

 Oh I said that they replaced Mawae with Mangold. And it was a great replacement.   Harris for Vilma, who knows, it was at least a plan to replace him. But now its Harris for Vilma and Barton?  Harris was never that good to think he'd replace both.

Favre wasn't a replacement for Pennington. He was a PR move by Woody and Tanny. Just like Tebow.  If he stayed retired or the Packers didn't do what they did, he would have stayed on the Packers or went to the Vikings.  And that was at the last minute.  It wasn't like the Jets were desperate to make a run for Favre.  That wasn't replacing Pennington, that was just going after some PR stunt and hoping it worked out.   Kellen Clemens was supposed to replace Pennington. He didn't, but it was an attempt.   And then Favre was retiring again and it didn't seem like the Jets and the new HC wanted anything to do with him. So they were all out going to try and get Sanchez.    That was their guy. 

 

 And come on with Ty Law. He played one season for the Jets.  Revis wasn't drafted until 2007, Law was cut in 2006.  So who replaced Law during the 2006 season?  That is just trying to make a connection that doesn't exist.

 

 So yes, they've made moves over the years to replace players, but it seems they don't try and replace stars.  Vilma is great, but Abraham was supposed to be a beast. He might have never lived up to that hype, but he's been a pretty good Defensive force over the years.  They never replaced him.   Revis is now gone and who knows if they will ever replace him.   

 

Well, Harris and Scott for Vilma and Barton.  Contracts aside, it was an upgrade.  I 

 

Replacing a player doesn't need to occur that same year.  People complain the Jets "never" replaced this player or that one; not that they didn't "immediately" replace the player.  Law was a significant acquisition and made the pro bowl and had 10 picks.  We had to let him go because of a gargantuan cap hit we couldn't possibly pay.  Tried Andre Dyson for a year and when that faltered we drafted Revis.  I wasn't suggesting Revis was drafted to take Law's place.  But that Law was only here a year is not significant; Faneca was only here 2 years and though his play was declining fast you were complaining that we never replaced him.

 

Without getting into opinions as to the motivation - like with Favre - I'm saying that areas where we had a significant player and lost the player (through FA or cutting him or trading; doesn't matter), many were replaced.  Sometimes it was an upgrade.  Often it was not.  I think they genuinely thought Favre was an upgrade over Pennington.  The PR was one thing, but they were still in the old stadium trying to get into Manhattan I think so it wasn't PSL time yet.  In 2007 Pennington (and Clemens) sucked and Favre didn't.  He was a pro bowler and future HOFer coming off one of his better season so I think there was more to it than just PR.  But that's a long time ago already.

 

I don't want to get into a thing with you.  We have a bunch of picks, it looks like we'll trade down and acquire at least 1-2 more, and I hope they're used wisely.


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 04:33 AM

One and the same. I try to keep the feeds separate but obviously lots of Jets crossover today. Plus nyjetscap is lacking on updates lately while I deal with getting OTC up and running.



Ah! Excellent! I felt like I was cheating using the OTC feed. Good luck in the new endeavor.
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Posted 22 April 2013 - 07:18 AM

So yes, they've made moves over the years to replace players, but it seems they don't try and replace stars.  Vilma is great, but Abraham was supposed to be a beast. He might have never lived up to that hype, but he's been a pretty good Defensive force over the years.  They never replaced him.   Revis is now gone and who knows if they will ever replace him.   

 

Here's the thing - the Jets don't have to replace the greatest CB ever with another HoF caliber CB. If they're allocating resources away from the CB and moving them into premium positions (QB, pass rusher), or other positions of need (roughly, all of them), then they're making a smart move to improve the team overall. 

 

For a long time now, the Jets have been too dependent on free agency and trades to improve the team. Too many draft picks have been traded away. As a result, the Jets have overpaid for a lot of players over the years, and their cap has been weighed down with expensive deals for players who either didn't live up to the hype or declined here. 

 

By trading Revis for picks, and clearing cap space, they're moving in the right direction. They'll probably trade down this year and get more picks. Next year, they'll have as many as four comp picks plus Tampa's 4th or 3rd. They're getting back to building thru the draft in a hurry. Once you build the base of your team thru the draft, and have them under contract for affordable rookie contracts, you can then afford to make the occasional splash in free agency to grab a star to push you over the top if need be. 

 

It's all about how Idzik uses these picks now. That's what's going to define not only whether or not this trade was a good move, but whether hiring Idzik was a good move. 


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If Idzik hits on 4 picks this year/4 picks next year...WITH THE ROOKIE CAP IN PLACE...and a couple of solid FA's....we can have a managable cap for years to come...oh boy...
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