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#1 joewilly12

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:46 PM


The Jets front office continues to undergo changes under new general manager John Idzik.

JoJo Wooden, the team's assistant director of player personnel, is heading to the San Diego Chargers, according to a person with knowledge of the situation. The person requested anonymity because the Jets have yet to make the move official.

The move was first reported by USA Today.

In the past week, the Jets have now lost four mainstays inside the organization. Assistant director of college scouting, Mark Davis, as well as area scout Joe Bommarito were let go by the team on Wedesday. Kevin Kelly, an area scout, will be following Wooden to San Diego.

Wooden appears to be leaving for a bigger role under the new regime in San Diego.


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#2 Integrity28

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:03 PM

Idz a process.

 

 

 

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:16 PM

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:21 PM

if a guy leaves job1 to take a bigger role in job2 it's wishful thinking to say the managers at job1 are "cleaning house"


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 05:33 PM

if a guy leaves job1 to take a bigger role in job2 it's wishful thinking to say the managers at job1 are "cleaning house"

You are right about that.  But I would guess it is fairly customary to tell guys that if they want to leave the Jets will not stand in their way.  I suppose most of their contracts are up, anyway


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 06:29 PM

if a guy leaves job1 to take a bigger role in job2 it's wishful thinking to say the managers at job1 are "cleaning house"


Not if you're trying to paint it as a massive cultural overhaul it's not!
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:20 PM

But what is it happening right after the draft and not back in Feb or March?    

It's a little odd that people are either leaving or being sent packing soon after the draft.

 

 Cleaning house would have been coming in and dumping people back in Feb.    Waiting till May ?   Something seems to be a bit off.  And it's not like you can determine if some scout was good or not in May because nobody has played a game. If the guy was that horrible and had bad recommendations, why wait till May?

 

 That or some people see the Jets as a sinking ship and are bailing as fast as they can.  Who knows, maybe some people told them not to draft such and such players and after not being listened to, they bailed.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:25 PM

But what is it happening right after the draft and not back in Feb or March?    

It's a little odd that people are either leaving or being sent packing soon after the draft.

 

 Cleaning house would have been coming in and dumping people back in Feb.    Waiting till May ?   Something seems to be a bit off.  And it's not like you can determine if some scout was good or not in May because nobody has played a game. If the guy was that horrible and had bad recommendations, why wait till May?

 

 That or some people see the Jets as a sinking ship and are bailing as fast as they can.  Who knows, maybe some people told them not to draft such and such players and after not being listened to, they bailed.

 

 

Actually, I think the timing is as normal as can be.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:27 PM

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:31 PM

Actually, I think the timing is as normal as can be.

 

 I don't.    

 

  If you think some scout sucks,  why let them stick around through the draft and free agency?      

 

 It's like any company and job.   People who leave or get fired after a new manager/executive is more about BS timing over actually seeing if anybody has skills or not.     At this point Idzik knows little about these people except what has been said.  And they know little of Idzik besides what has been said. it's all new.    So the first assignment is a draft..  Which is more like some opening round conceptual draft phase.      If you quit or get fired after that, it says the person leaving doesn't believe in what the team plans or the Management doesn't actually know how to fire people when they should.    No point in dumping a bad FO person a week after the draft.   Makes more sense to dump the person in Feb or March.   Then again this is the same team that didn't dump Tebow until they had to pay him a few bucks. A guy they never were going to keep and had no possible chance of trading.

 

 At least with Tebow,  there could have been some sucker to send over a 7th round pick.   With some scout you don't believe in,  no point in letting them help with a draft.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:38 PM

But what is it happening right after the draft and not back in Feb or March?    

It's a little odd that people are either leaving or being sent packing soon after the draft.

 

 Cleaning house would have been coming in and dumping people back in Feb.    Waiting till May ?   Something seems to be a bit off.  And it's not like you can determine if some scout was good or not in May because nobody has played a game. If the guy was that horrible and had bad recommendations, why wait till May?

 

 That or some people see the Jets as a sinking ship and are bailing as fast as they can.  Who knows, maybe some people told them not to draft such and such players and after not being listened to, they bailed.

Actually, in May is when all the movement happens inside FO's typically.  

Immediately after the season is when Owners decide to fire GM's.  New GM comes in and first thing he does is sort out his coaching staff. 

Then the focus becomes the draft.  Those scouts and FO workers have been scouting and preparing since September at that point for the draft, and are fully aware of the team's strategies and who they are looking at etc.  Considering how secretive these draft boards are, it would be incredibly foolish to start "cleaning house" just a month or two before the draft for that reason alone.   


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:44 PM

Just because they are leaving the organization does not mean anyone in the organizationactually thinks they suck. Simple thoughts like that belong to the fan.

They were here because to hire a new scouting staff DURING FA and the draft makes no sense. That is a ton of information to just throw out.. Most of these guys probably knew when Idzik was hired who would stay and who goes.

My guess is a lot of these guys have spent over ten years with Los Yets, but I haven't checked. Just thinking a lot of them might go back to Parcells - Tannenbaum came up during that time.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:49 PM

Actually, in May is when all the movement happens inside FO's typically.  

Immediately after the season is when Owners decide to fire GM's.  New GM comes in and first thing he does is sort out his coaching staff. 

Then the focus becomes the draft.  Those scouts and FO workers have been scouting and preparing since September at that point for the draft, and are fully aware of the team's strategies and who they are looking at etc.  Considering how secretive these draft boards are, it would be incredibly foolish to start "cleaning house" just a month or two before the draft for that reason alone.   

 

   I do get understand it would be hard, but at the end of the day if this years draft is great and next years sucks,  does that say Idzik hired the wrong people or does it say Idzik was in control of the draft?     I"m not a big fan of the entire process of knowing you are going to get rid of so and so and still let them do a job you think they suck at.  In the business world, you'd be a manager who doesn't have a very long career.    Or you'd be known as the idiot.    

 

 I mean if say they wanted Geno, convinced Idzik he was the guy, and Geno sucks,   you can only blame fired guys for so long.    And how secret are these draft boards really?  Everybody knows the players.   Some players wind up being surprises, others busts, but at the end of the day there are only so many good players and so many teams.  And so many needs.    Is it really about a scouts talent and skills to pick an Andrew Luck at #1 or a Geno Smith in the 2nd round?  Hell picking Wilson in the 3rd round is about what?      

 

  When you have experts on tv, fans who think they are experts, and half the time they seem more right than the teams picking guys,  what secrets are there really?    Polian and the Colts FO were known to be great for years.  Manning misses a season and they all get cut.   How good were they really?   

And considering the one guy jumped or is jumping to the Chargers just like that, who is to say you dont fire a person in Feb, and some other guy who knows a bunch of stuff gets hired.   

 

  If it only takes a few weeks to hire a GM who is supposed to turn the entire regime into a winner,   why should it take that much longer for one or two scouts?


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:50 PM

But what is it happening right after the draft and not back in Feb or March?    

It's a little odd that people are either leaving or being sent packing soon after the draft.

 

 Cleaning house would have been coming in and dumping people back in Feb.    Waiting till May ?   Something seems to be a bit off.  And it's not like you can determine if some scout was good or not in May because nobody has played a game. If the guy was that horrible and had bad recommendations, why wait till May?

 

 That or some people see the Jets as a sinking ship and are bailing as fast as they can.  Who knows, maybe some people told them not to draft such and such players and after not being listened to, they bailed.

 

im pretty sure this is the customary time

 

Idzik probably ran the draft completly and reviewed the FO people while in the draft to see if he liked em

 

or he just didnt think thered be enough time to change


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:53 PM

  This is what I don't buy.  It doesn't make sense to fire/hire some scouts in Jan & Feb.     But it does make sense to hire a new GM  in Jan after a couple of weeks and he is supposed to turn the entire franchise around.  And he's paid far more money and has far more power than some new scout.   Hiring a bad scout might get the scout fired, get some bad recommendations, maybe even wind up picking a bad draft pick etc. But he's one new scout out of many.  

 

Hiring a bad GM might set the franchise back for 5-10 years.   But that only takes a few weeks.   And it's not like Idzik is some award winning GM with 20 years of GM experience.  This is where the timing makes no sense to me.    If it takes 2 weeks to hire a guy whom you think will turn you into a super bowl winner,  why should it take months or more to find scouts who  you think are good?

 

 I imagine most of these guys who become GMS already have a ton of people they want to bring on board.  Maybe not all come, but if you look at how teams hire some GM or HC and they bring along a ton of people they already know,  why would this be any different?    The guys you trust you'd try and bring, new guys would be more like interns and work there way up.   Either way,  I don't think it should have been an issue to dump a bunch of old Jets scouts and bring in a bunch of guys He might have known back in Seattle.  Or knew from other contacts.


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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:22 PM

 I don't.    

 

  If you think some scout sucks,  why let them stick around through the draft and free agency?      

 

 It's like any company and job.   People who leave or get fired after a new manager/executive is more about BS timing over actually seeing if anybody has skills or not.     At this point Idzik knows little about these people except what has been said.  And they know little of Idzik besides what has been said. it's all new.    So the first assignment is a draft..  Which is more like some opening round conceptual draft phase.      If you quit or get fired after that, it says the person leaving doesn't believe in what the team plans or the Management doesn't actually know how to fire people when they should.    No point in dumping a bad FO person a week after the draft.   Makes more sense to dump the person in Feb or March.   Then again this is the same team that didn't dump Tebow until they had to pay him a few bucks. A guy they never were going to keep and had no possible chance of trading.

 

 At least with Tebow,  there could have been some sucker to send over a 7th round pick.   With some scout you don't believe in,  no point in letting them help with a draft.

 

Sorry, guy, but with regard to the timing of the moves and when it should occur, you're totally wrong on this.  Moves are made after the draft because if a GM comes in that late as Idzik did and fires everyone, who is he going to get scouting reports from and help with draft preparations?  Cleaning house just before the draft makes no sense whatsoever.  In addition, contracts are timed to expire following the draft each year, not before.  Following the draft, Idzik has had a chance to work with them for at least a few months, evaluate their body of work, their eye for talent, and see if philosophies jive.  It's not much time, but at least he has some experience with these scouts.  Following the draft is the perfect time to make changes because preparations for the following year's draft begin almost immediately following the draft.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:43 AM

if a guy leaves job1 to take a bigger role in job2 it's wishful thinking to say the managers at job1 are "cleaning house"

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:45 AM

Lol @ Pedro, good grief
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:44 AM

We had this same exact argument just after Idzik was hired, and all of the same issues with it still hold true.  As others have pointed out, teams are simply not going to send someone off loaded up with the knowledge of their scouting profiles and draft board within weeks of the draft approaching.  Not to mention, even if they didn't care about other teams having insight into their draft info, they're still not going to get rid of these guys who they just spent the past year paying to put together this information for them before they ever even get to use it.

 

What only compounds this fact is that every other team is going to approach things the same way, and therefore there will also be no replacement options available at that time you're suggesting the Jets should have been firing all of their scouts.  This came up back when Idzik was hired and people wanted to know why he wasn't already stealing away whatever Seattle scouts he could get his hands on, and that's because it simply wasn't an option.  Other teams won't allow you to hire away their scouts prior to the draft and anyone who wasn't already working for any team during the past year would be less than useless to you if brought in right before the draft.  Even if Idzik didn't like some of these guys, there's still a certain degree of value that they provide, simply based on the factual information they can present for the players they were assigned to scout (stats, measurements, etc).  It's not like he's just going to blindly follow whatever suggestions get thrown at him first by any scout on the team.

 


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 08:47 AM

Just because they are leaving the organization does not mean anyone in the organizationactually thinks they suck. Simple thoughts like that belong to the fan.

They were here because to hire a new scouting staff DURING FA and the draft makes no sense. That is a ton of information to just throw out.. Most of these guys probably knew when Idzik was hired who would stay and who goes.

My guess is a lot of these guys have spent over ten years with Los Yets, but I haven't checked. Just thinking a lot of them might go back to Parcells - Tannenbaum came up during that time.

 

Yeah, from pretty much everything that's been reported, it seems these guys we've recently seen moving around came in with either Parcells or Bradway.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 09:05 AM

Neither of these guys was fired,


Both took a promotion with the chargers.  This means the Chargers thought they were good.  From Brian Costello NY Post

 

* The Jets personnel department continues to undergo an overhaul. JoJo Wooden, the assistant director of player personnel, and area scout Kevin Kelly both left the team to take jobs with the Chargers.

 

Wooden, who had been with the Jets for 16 years, will be the director of player personnel in San Diego. Kelly, who spent one year with the Jets, will be San Diego’s director of college scouting.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:41 AM

This gives Idzik an opportunity to fill these posts with his guys.  I am sure he has people in mind he wants to bring here.


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:46 AM

This gives Idzik an opportunity to fill these posts with his guys.  I am sure he has people in mind he wants to bring here.

 

 

Tons of candidates out there...

 

 

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 11:04 AM

Tons of candidates out there...

 

 

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