It's not exactly "cherry picking" when the entire topic of the post I responded to was Gamble. Feel free to go back and reread your own post if you need, but it's true. Beyond that, you've really just proven my whole point. Yes, of course hindsight is going to come into play when you're still trying to criticize someone for something that happened months ago, especially when the evidence suggests you were wrong about it at the time. Sure, we're all wrong about plenty around here, no big deal, but at that point you need to let it go, not continue to harp on it and get pissy when people disagree with your already disproven premise. The issue isn't your initial beliefs, it's that you're still trying to criticize Woody and tell off other posters on the basis of something you're wrong about.
It seems that the bottom line is you don't want to give credit to Woody for anything, to the point that you feel the need to come up with excuses to even criticize him for a decision that you admittedly have no reason to be unhappy about. I'm sure you have plenty of other reasons you hate Woody, and they might all be great reasons, but that doesn't change that this one has little (if any) merit to it. When that happens, yeah, you're going to come across as whiny. You don't help your cause by telling people off who point out flaws in your argument and then preaching on about how other people should post. It's a message board after all, and you clearly have no problem giving other people crap for their opinions, so don't be surprised when you get it in return.
I consider it cherry picking when my original post was about why I don't like Woody, and you single out one of those reasons and harp on it and not only fail to mention the others, but until your latest response, make it seem like I have no right to dislike Woody. In retrospect, it looks like I may have been wrong about Gamble. If so, that's fine, I've certainly been wrong before and will be again. Even if I was wrong about Gamble, it still doesn't mean that ultimately Idzik was the best or right hire for the Jets. Time will tell.
For the record, I'm willing to give Woody credit for anything good he does, it's just that I've seen very little good that he's actually done. He's willing to spend money on players for the team. I'll give him that. My major problem with him has been that he's been too arrogant or stupid to realize how little he knows about the game, and rather than hiring a sound football man to run the franchise, he has hired marketing men and accountants and made one bad move after another. He has also seemed to care more about selling PSLs than putting a winning team on the field, and doesn't seem to get it that fielding a winning team WILL put fannies in the seats. I have no need to come up with reasons not to like him. He provides enough of those on his own.
One thing that I give him credit for is hiring the head hunting firm for the GM search and for listening to them. If Idzik continues to pan out and make good moves, then I'll give him credit for that, but as I said, imo the jury is still out on that.
Gamble wasn't the only candidate I liked for the Jets' GM job. Yes, now it appears that Gamble might not have been a great GM candidate, but we don't know for sure. Just because a lot of teams didn't hire him really doesn't mean anything. Every year NFL teams hire retread coaches and GMs who have sucked everywhere they've been, and ignore some candidates who turn out to be very, very good and successful once they get a chance. They bring in mediocre players and expect them to turn things around for them. They miss on players in the draft. The truth is, we'll never know for certain how things might have panned out if one of those other candidates were hired.
If I got "pissy" it was because of the tone of your response to me. I felt it insulting and demeaning, so I responded in kind. I would much rather keep things more civil and on a higher level, but don't take crap from anyone. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing, even strongly, about "opinions" if you don't make it personal. You made it personal and insulting by accusing me of "whining." Disagree with my opinion all you want and give the reasons why, but if you come at me personally, I'm likely to come right back at you, even though I try not to resort to that kind of pettiness. Accusing another man of whining is pretty low and doesn't encourage civil discourse.
Edited by JoeKlecko, 09 May 2013 - 02:11 PM.
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