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#51 SenorGato

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 01:36 AM

I don't completely hate Sanchez. I bet thats how Rex feels.
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Posted 10 May 2013 - 04:56 AM

What's the point of starting Garrard?  How about that we already know that Sanchez sucks and is not the future.  As long as he starts, the Jets' offense will suck and the Jets will continue to be a circus.   How about giving the Jets the best chance to win and build their pride for the future?  According to all reports, he had the starting job won in Miami last preseason until he got injured.  He could have lost it all in one year, but that's unlikely.

 

It's also unlikely that Sanchez will be cut, but not impossible. If Sanchez finishes third in the QB competition (as he probably will if it's an honest competition), then why keep him?  We don't know what kind of agreement that Idzik and Woody have.  Idzik may have obtained Woody's word that he will have final say so on the team's roster and handling of the team going forward.  If so, and Idzik doesn't think it's in the best interest of the team to keep Sanchez, he probably would cut him.  In all truth, neither you, me, nor anyone knows what can and will happen. 

 

Since when is beating out Matt Moore and a rookie Ryan Tannehill some sort of major accomplishment?  That doesn't necessarily make him a good QB right now, nor does it make him the automatic starter here. Oh, and it didn't happen because he got injured. Again. Like he most likely will here because he is 35 and closer to retirement than he is a starting QB role.


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#53 The Crusher

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:19 AM

  So, how many wins do you think the Jets will have?

 

 

Can't tell you.  It's a......

 

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:21 AM

If anything is probable with Garrard is that he will be doubtful to be healthy come Week 1 and even so, Sanchez is still probably a better option. Have to wait and see what Garrard has left, if anything.

You expressed you opinion about cutting Sanchez and I expressed mine. I'm not sure where reading comprehension comes in to play at all, bud. You need to relax.

 

I am very relaxed, bud.  Again, I did not express an opinion on what I thought would happen to Sanchez.  I expressed a hope, a desire for him to be released or inactive for the season.

 

You, upon reading my hope, stated that the opinion that Sanchez would be cut was  "laughable", even though I never expressed that he would be cut as my opinion.  I, therefore, concluded that your powers of reading comprehension were a bit lacking, since nothing that I wrote would lead to the conclusion you formed.

 

Interestingly, you then call for me to relax.  You are the one calling out another poster's position as "laughable", after misinterpreting said position.


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#55 GandWFan

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:39 AM

Since when is beating out Matt Moore and a rookie Ryan Tannehill some sort of major accomplishment?  That doesn't necessarily make him a good QB right now, nor does it make him the automatic starter here. Oh, and it didn't happen because he got injured. Again. Like he most likely will here because he is 35 and closer to retirement than he is a starting QB role.

 

Since when is beating out Mark Sanchez, the 36th ranked QB in a league with only 32 teams, and a rookie some sort of accomplishment?  He may not be great. But he is the best option on the roster today.


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#56 GandWFan

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 05:54 AM

Sanchez will most likely be the starting QB opening day, simply because he's the most familiar with the system, new OC and all.  And they'll want to take some time with Geno.

 

However, unlike last year, I think he'll be on a very short leash.  Sanchez will have to play near perfect, in this environment, to keep his job.

 

I would not be shocked to see Geno win the job by week 8.  Garrard is backup depth, imo. 

 

 

It's a new system.  Everyone is starting from scratch.  I agree, at least I hope, that they want to take some time with Geno, but I think that Garrard will win the starting job.  With Mark and David starting from the same place, there is no way that Mark wins this.  The WCO is predicated on short accurate passes and quick decisions, 2 of Marks glaring weaknesses.  He cannot even throw a screen pass and hit a wide open running back in stride.  Defensive end, yes.  Running back, no.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 06:27 AM

Since when is beating out Mark Sanchez, the 36th ranked QB in a league with only 32 teams, and a rookie some sort of accomplishment? He may not be great. But he is the best option on the roster today.


You don't know that. You have no idea how Garrard looks or throws or moves right now. You are making a huge assumption based on what you saw on Hard Knocks which was well over a year ago. That's absurd.
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Posted 10 May 2013 - 06:53 AM

Can't tell you.  It's a......

 

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Looks like Rex might just give Birth to a full grown QB in that pic/


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 06:55 AM

My position is that they should compete, and the best player should play.  I think Garrard will win the competition, based on his experience and skill set.  I think that Geno will benefit from holding a clipboard for at least the first part of the 2013 season.  I think that Geno is the man for 2014, and I believe he is going to be great.  I don't want to start him too soon.  Let's give him every chance to be great. 

 

I hope Sanchez is released June 1.  If not, I hope he is inactive all 16 weeks.

 

That is my position.

 

 

I like this post.  The funny thing with Rex Ryan defense we don;t need the QB to be great right away to  compete.  We need him to not turn the ball over at a record pace and get first downs.  I do think letting Geno sit for part of the year and let him play late to see what he can do is a great idea.  If he is good we draft weapons for him next year, if he sucks we draft his replacement.  WIN/WIN


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 06:55 AM

Looks like Rex might just give Birth to a full grown QB in that pic/

 

 

FAT REX > skinny Rex...  not even close


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:01 AM

FAT REX > skinny Rex...  not even close

 

I know that ....Thats why the SOB can give birth to QB's Then sh*t all over them by not getting any real Skill players on offense :P


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:07 AM

I know that ....Thats why the SOB can give birth to QB's Then sh*t all over them by not getting any real Skill players on offense :tongue:

 

 

Once Sanchez is off the team and Geno takes the helm you and I unite like some NY Jet wonder twins and sh*t.  We need rings!!!!


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:12 AM

You don't know that. You have no idea how Garrard looks or throws or moves right now. You are making a huge assumption based on what you saw on Hard Knocks which was well over a year ago. That's absurd.

 

Are you one of those young pups who thinks that 35 is REALLY OLD?  If he could move and throw at 34, there is no reason to think he cannot do the same at 35.  He is healthy now.  If he wasn't the Jets would not have signed him.  Could he get hurt again? Sure, but so could anyone on the roster.  You do not make personnel decision based on predicted future injuries of currently healthy players.  You do it on skill and ability.  Garrard has it all over the worst starting QB of 2012.

 

To get an idea of how bad Mark was last year, QBR (Quarterback Rating) has a component called QB PAR. It is defined as:

 

QB PAR: Number of points contributed by a quarterback over the season, accounting for QBR and how much he plays, above the level of a quarterback who plays very rarely and is on the fringe of the NFL.

 

Mark's QB PAR was -3.8, the only qb rated with a negative rating.  This means that Mark contributed less points over a season that a quarterback who plays very rarely and is on the fringe of the NFL.

 

If Garrard is only equal to a qb "who plays very rarely and is on the fringe of the NFL" he still beats out Sanchez.

 

Ponder this for a minute.  Garrard wins this competition going away.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 07:16 AM

I like this post.  The funny thing with Rex Ryan defense we don;t need the QB to be great right away to  compete.  We need him to not turn the ball over at a record pace and get first downs.  I do think letting Geno sit for part of the year and let him play late to see what he can do is a great idea.  If he is good we draft weapons for him next year, if he sucks we draft his replacement.  WIN/WIN

 

This guy gets it.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 08:13 AM

This guy gets it.

 

 

You have to think whoever starts before Geno is simply a place holder.  Let Geno go to camp take some snaps, let him get slapped around to feel the speed of the game in the pres-season  and play him at some point in the season depending on how the place holder does.  Truth is Garrard makes the most sense because his body will probably break down at about the same time Geno will be ready.  Then judge Geno on his play and draft accordingly.   It also give the shaky line to shake less before the rookie go's in.  SCIENCE


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 08:27 AM

Are you one of those young pups who thinks that 35 is REALLY OLD?  If he could move and throw at 34, there is no reason to think he cannot do the same at 35.  He is healthy now.  If he wasn't the Jets would not have signed him.  Could he get hurt again? Sure, but so could anyone on the roster.  You do not make personnel decision based on predicted future injuries of currently healthy players.  You do it on skill and ability.  Garrard has it all over the worst starting QB of 2012.

 

To get an idea of how bad Mark was last year, QBR (Quarterback Rating) has a component called QB PAR. It is defined as:

 

QB PAR: Number of points contributed by a quarterback over the season, accounting for QBR and how much he plays, above the level of a quarterback who plays very rarely and is on the fringe of the NFL.

 

Mark's QB PAR was -3.8, the only qb rated with a negative rating.  This means that Mark contributed less points over a season that a quarterback who plays very rarely and is on the fringe of the NFL.

 

If Garrard is only equal to a qb "who plays very rarely and is on the fringe of the NFL" he still beats out Sanchez.

 

Ponder this for a minute.  Garrard wins this competition going away.

 

Cool story. Now let's deal in reality. Reality is Garrard probably did move well in 2012 at 34 in Dolphins training camp.  Now he is a year older, another year removed from actually throwing a pass in an NFL game and coming off of a knee surgery. A year after having a back surgery. Reality is the Jets saw him work out in shorts and a tee shirt.  No pressure, no contact. Just throwing and catching.

 

Reality is 2013 is more or less a lost year. This team will no compete for the playoffs.  You can spout all of the Sanchez numbers you want, but the reality is he is the best option for the Jets next season because there is no sense in winning one or two extra games. None. Let Geno sit and learn, let Sanchez bumble away games and let's get this team ready for 2014.  Garrard is welcome to stay as the #2, if his head doesn't fall off or suffer some other malady, but at this point he is just training camp fodder.

 

Think about it, if they wanted to bring in actual competition for Sanchez (Geno excluded), there were better options than a 35 year old coming off of two surgeries that hasn't thrown a pass in an NFL game in YEARS.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 08:58 AM

Cool story. Now let's deal in reality. Reality is Garrard probably did move well in 2012 at 34 in Dolphins training camp.  Now he is a year older, another year removed from actually throwing a pass in an NFL game and coming off of a knee surgery. A year after having a back surgery. Reality is the Jets saw him work out in shorts and a tee shirt.  No pressure, no contact. Just throwing and catching.

 

Reality is 2013 is more or less a lost year. This team will no compete for the playoffs.  You can spout all of the Sanchez numbers you want, but the reality is he is the best option for the Jets next season because there is no sense in winning one or two extra games. None. Let Geno sit and learn, let Sanchez bumble away games and let's get this team ready for 2014.  Garrard is welcome to stay as the #2, if his head doesn't fall off or suffer some other malady, but at this point he is just training camp fodder.

 

Think about it, if they wanted to bring in actual competition for Sanchez (Geno excluded), there were better options than a 35 year old coming off of two surgeries that hasn't thrown a pass in an NFL game in YEARS.

 

 

Cool story, BRO.  You forgot the Bro.

 

Look, you think 12 months after Garrard won the starting job in Miami, he has forgotten how to play qb, because he turned 35.  I think that Sanchez is the worst starting qb I have ever seen on the Jets, and have no desire to watch him run around like a chicken with its head cut off in the backfield again this year.

 

We we have different opinions.  So be it.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 09:10 AM

Cool story, BRO.  You forgot the Bro.

 

Look, you think 12 months after Garrard won the starting job in Miami, he has forgotten how to play qb, because he turned 35.  I think that Sanchez is the worst starting qb I have ever seen on the Jets, and have no desire to watch him run around like a chicken with its head cut off in the backfield again this year.

 

We we have different opinions.  So be it.

 

I don't think he forgot how to play QB, but I do believe his ability to play QB in the last 12 months will be hampered by his knee surgery.  When was the last time Garrard saw live action? Even preseason?

 

Sanchez is not the worst QB I have ever seen on the Jets.  Neil O'Donnell was worse.  Glenn Foley was worse.  Rick Mirer was worse.  Brooks Bollinger was worse.  Sanchez is bad, but the Jets have had it much, much worse.


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#69 GandWFan

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Posted 10 May 2013 - 10:23 AM

I don't think he forgot how to play QB, but I do believe his ability to play QB in the last 12 months will be hampered by his knee surgery.  When was the last time Garrard saw live action? Even preseason?

 

Sanchez is not the worst QB I have ever seen on the Jets.  Neil O'Donnell was worse.  Glenn Foley was worse.  Rick Mirer was worse.  Brooks Bollinger was worse.  Sanchez is bad, but the Jets have had it much, much worse.

 

The Jets doctors checked out Garrard's knee.  If it was a problem they would not have signed him.

 

And Sanchez is worse then those you mentioned.  I have seen them all, but none of them ran into their offensive lineman's ass then fumbled, and then lay there face down, giving up while the opposing team ran the ball back for a touchdown.  None of them gave the ball to the other team 52 times in 2 years.  None of them threw an interception to a defensive lineman, not once, but twice in the same game!  No, Mark Sanchez is the worst Jet QB in the sad history of Jets QBs.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 10:38 AM

The Jets doctors checked out Garrard's knee.  If it was a problem they would not have signed him.

 

And Sanchez is worse then those you mentioned.  I have seen them all, but none of them ran into their offensive lineman's ass then fumbled, and then lay there face down, giving up while the opposing team ran the ball back for a touchdown.  None of them gave the ball to the other team 52 times in 2 years.  None of them threw an interception to a defensive lineman, not once, but twice in the same game!  No, Mark Sanchez is the worst Jet QB in the sad history of Jets QBs.

 

Did the Jets check Garrard's knee in full pads against rushing defensive players? I doubt it.

 

No, he's statistically not. All of them had worse QB Ratings than Sanchez. So, yeah.  You're wrong.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:00 AM

The story of being a Jets fan- people arguing on who is the worst QB we ever had playing for us.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:24 AM

The story of being a Jets fan- people arguing on who is the worst QB we ever had playing for us.

 

Alas, sad but true.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:26 AM

Did the Jets check Garrard's knee in full pads against rushing defensive players? I doubt it.

 

No, he's statistically not. All of them had worse QB Ratings than Sanchez. So, yeah.  You're wrong.

 

QB ratings have become inflated with each passing year.  Best to compare Sanchez's QB rating to the rest of the league in the particular years he played rather than compare it across generations of QB's.

 

In 2005, when Bollinger played in 11 games, he was the 38th ranked QB in the NFL in DVOA.  Sanchez has hovered between 28th and 35th in that category in his 4 years.

 

So yeah, I guess you can say Sanchez was better than Brooks f***ing Bollinger.  Yippee.


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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:35 AM

Reality is 2013 is more or less a lost year. This team will no compete for the playoffs.  You can spout all of the Sanchez numbers you want, but the reality is he is the best option for the Jets next season because there is no sense in winning one or two extra games. None. Let Geno sit and learn, let Sanchez bumble away games and let's get this team ready for 2014.  Garrard is welcome to stay as the #2, if his head doesn't fall off or suffer some other malady, but at this point he is just training camp fodder.


Dude. Is your argument really that Sanchez should start because the Jets are better off losing? That trotting out the worst QB is the best case scenario? And you use the word "reality" to describe this point of view? Because the actual reality is that Rex is coaching for his job this year with a roster lacking in talent - particularly at the QB position. With Tannenbaum fired largely for the Sanchez blunder, I can't imagine any pressure from Idzik or Woody to play Sanchez. Rex will be very motivated to play the QB who gives him the best chance to win.

I think Geno has a legitimate chance to be the opening day starter. If he's not, whoever does start should be a place holder until they're ready to throw Geno in there. I think it's critical to see what he can do. That's the only pressure I could see coming from Idzik - getting Smith on the field. He'll want to have a better idea what he has in Geno so he can map out his plans next offseason.
 

Think about it, if they wanted to bring in actual competition for Sanchez (Geno excluded), there were better options than a 35 year old coming off of two surgeries that hasn't thrown a pass in an NFL game in YEARS.


Who? Tarvaris Jackson? Jason Campbell? There really weren't a lot of options, and I don't think they were interested in giving anyone more than a one year deal.
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Posted 10 May 2013 - 11:46 AM

cuz hes soooo dirty(sanchez that is);)
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