stoicsentry Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Class. Pure class. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/patriots-release-defensive-tackle-kyle-love-diabetes-diagnosis-215850735.html In case you had any doubt as to the truism that professional football is a ruthless business, wonder no more. Two weeks after he was diagnosed with diabetes, former New England Patriots defensive tackle Kyle Love was released by the team via a non-football injury designation. “This comes on the heels of Kyle having been diagnosed within the past two weeks with Type-2 diabetes," Richard Kopelman, Love's agent, told ESPN Boston. "Naturally, we are disappointed that the Patriots decided to part ways with Kyle, especially in light of the fact that a number of elite professional athletes with diabetes – both Type-1, which is known to be far more difficult to manage than Type-2 diabetes – have had very successful careers in professional football, hockey, baseball and basketball. “Prior to the diagnosis, Kyle recently experienced unexplained weight loss, but since being diagnosed and having altered his diet, Kyle has regained most of the weight he lost, is in good health, and was not limited in any way during offseason workouts in which he was engaged up until being told he would be released." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 classless assholes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 i dont get what they did wrong?? they either released him because he couldnt do his job? or they released him because they didndt want him and he just happened to have diabetes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 having dier-beatus doesn't mean you can't play in the NFL ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BroadwayJoe12 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Sensationalism. He was on his way out and just so happened to be diagnosed with diabetes prior to be released. While the headline is technically not wrong, it's not exactly right either. It's like someone's parent passing away and then being released a few weeks after and the media headlines it as "player released after parent passed away..." Now it's possible his weight loss affected his play, it certainly did to Cutler before he found out, but if the dude was doing his job, diabetes or not, he wouldn't have been released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 While the release simply could have been because of his play, the Pats didn't exactly do much to help their cause when they used the non-football injury designation for his release. They kind of opened themselves up for some easy criticism with that. Plus... it's the Pats, so **** them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geno12 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 So sad, ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 While the release simply could have been because of his play, the Pats didn't exactly do much to help their cause when they used the non-football injury designation for his release. Exactly. The Patriots are virtually announcing that he's being released because of his condition. A condition that other athletes play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 He obviously should have consulted Belichick before he went and got diabetes, I see no problem with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Was it his diabetes or was he holding it for a friend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 i dont get what they did wrong?? they either released him because he couldnt do his job? or they released him because they didndt want him and he just happened to have diabetes releasing him due to a non-football related injury designation makes it seem very much so like they did it because of the diabetes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I know Jay Cutler had diabetes. I'm sure his is type-1. Type-2 can be controlled with diet and pills. It also Sometimes can be cured, point being is he worth a look for depth? - or just another Bilicheat bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Sensationalism. He was on his way out and just so happened to be diagnosed with diabetes prior to be released. While the headline is technically not wrong, it's not exactly right either. It's like someone's parent passing away and then being released a few weeks after and the media headlines it as "player released after parent passed away..." Now it's possible his weight loss affected his play, it certainly did to Cutler before he found out, but if the dude was doing his job, diabetes or not, he wouldn't have been released. He lost 30 lbs Thats huge for a DL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 releasing him due to a non-football related injury designation makes it seem very much so like they did it because of the diabetes they may have. It says he lost a lot of weight i bet the jets would have cut garrad because of his injury. The pats guy was probably a fringe player but yes **** the pats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 He lost 30 lbs Thats huge for a DL. Indeed it is. But according to his agent, “Prior to the diagnosis, Kyle recently experienced unexplained weight loss, but since being diagnosed and having altered his diet, Kyle has regained most of the weight he lost, is in good health, and was not limited in any way during offseason workouts in which he was engaged up until being told he would be released." If he had already regained most of the weight loss and headed upward, there would be no reason to cut him for the condition. If his play was just not good, then why release him because of a non football injury? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Just another question: does the player get any advantage to being released for a non-football injury instead of being just cut? Any union benefits or any advantage at all? Because if there is, maybe what the Patriots did was say, "You're not playing well enough to make the team, but since part of the reason might be weight loss due to diabetes which has been diagnosed only recently, we'll say it was because of a non-football injury and you get a better deal than just being cut". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Just another question: does the player get any advantage to being released for a non-football injury instead of being just cut? Any union benefits or any advantage at all? Because if there is, maybe what the Patriots did was say, "You're not playing well enough to make the team, but since part of the reason might be weight loss due to diabetes which has been diagnosed only recently, we'll say it was because of a non-football injury and you get a better deal than just being cut". Good question Maybe the pats are either giving him a break here, or they are shafting him with the non-football designation . Don't know the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Good question Maybe the pats are either giving him a break here, or they are shafting him with the non-football designation . Don't know the answer Yeah, I would be interested to know how exactly the different designations come into play. After all, there has to be some sort of reason for them. If it ends up being a benefit to the player, that doesn't seem so bad, but if it really just cuts the team some kind of break when it comes to a cap hit or something like that, it makes them look like only bigger douches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 Yeah, I would be interested to know how exactly the different designations come into play. After all, there has to be some sort of reason for them. If it ends up being a benefit to the player, that doesn't seem so bad, but if it really just cuts the team some kind of break when it comes to a cap hit or something like that, it makes them look like only bigger douches. Got feeling it is for some financial benefit for the Pats. The non-football related injury tag is usually used when a player hurts himself doing something stupid. Motorcycle crash, blows knee out playing basketball, ect. It usually means this is all on the player, so we don't have to pay certain guarantees for injury, or bonus's. Don't know for sure, but suspect they would have to give him some kind of money if he was outright cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 the Pats are gonna get sued for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 The above post indicates that the Patriots are pulling something that is not legit here. If indeed something is not kosher about this release, I do remember hearing on the radio that diabetics are the best represented illness group in the country. Apparently their lobby is strong enough to influence legislation. This could turn out to be a big story. Congressional hearings, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Indeed it is. But according to his agent, If he had already regained most of the weight loss and headed upward, there would be no reason to cut him for the condition. If his play was just not good, then why release him because of a non football injury? Maybe he wasnt up front with them. His play used to be very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 His play tailed off the second half of the season. His diabetes was just diagnosed a few weeks ago. It would seem possible, if not probable, his tail-off was connected to his then-undiagnosed illness. I don't know what there is for him to hide from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stugotz81 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 i wonder if its type 1 or type 2 diabetes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 His play tailed off the second half of the season. His diabetes was just diagnosed a few weeks ago. It would seem possible, if not probable, his tail-off was connected to his then-undiagnosed illness. I don't know what there is for him to hide from them. Love was a situational player whose injury in the AFCC really hurt the Pats. He didnt lose 30 pounds 2 weeks ago. This has been ongoing problem throughout the off season. If Love didnt seek out a Doctor until now then thats on him for waiting so long when youve lost that much weight. Although he and his agent claim the weight is almost all back, Love still has to NOW prove that he can maintain his weight through the rigors of an NFL season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 i wonder if its type 1 or type 2 diabetes It is type 2...he just needs to watch his diet at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Love was a situational player whose injury in the AFCC really hurt the Pats. He didnt lose 30 pounds 2 weeks ago. This has been ongoing problem throughout the off season. If Love didnt seek out a Doctor until now then thats on him for waiting so long when youve lost that much weight. Although he and his agent claim the weight is almost all back, Love still has to NOW prove that he can maintain his weight through the rigors of an NFL season. But your post doesn't address the fact that there is no reason to suspect that Love was hiding anything. If they cut him because right at the start of training camp he was assessed to not be good enough, fine. It happens. I just want to know if there is any advantage for Love if they cut him due to non-football injury-some union benefit or anything-or if the Pats are giving themselves a break at Love's expense by cutting him due to a non-football injury, as opposed to just cutting for not being good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 Got feeling it is for some financial benefit for the Pats. The non-football related injury tag is usually used when a player hurts himself doing something stupid. Motorcycle crash, blows knee out playing basketball, ect. It usually means this is all on the player, so we don't have to pay certain guarantees for injury, or bonus's. Don't know for sure, but suspect they would have to give him some kind of money if he was outright cut This is a gray area. DL and OL guys are expected to keep their weight up. But invariably that leads to bad health consequences short and long term. In a sense that this like many things was not addressed by DeMaurice Smith in the last labor bdeal, another example of giving players this fake shiny trinkets like pointless free agency over something substanitve like quality long term health care benefits.May be this guy would be a fatass no matter what, but his job required it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 the Pats are gonna get sued for this. That's my hope. I guarantee there's some nice laws on the books in Massachusetts regarding this also. I doubt it though if he still plans on playing. You **** with Kraft you get the shaft, collusion being what it is amongst owners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 But your post doesn't address the fact that there is no reason to suspect that Love was hiding anything. If they cut him because right at the start of training camp he was assessed to not be good enough, fine. It happens. I just want to know if there is any advantage for Love if they cut him due to non-football injury-some union benefit or anything-or if the Pats are giving themselves a break at Love's expense by cutting him due to a non-football injury, as opposed to just cutting for not being good enough. What part of this sentence escapes you? “This comes on the heels of Kyle having been diagnosed within the past two weeks with Type-2 diabetes, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kay_gee Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Love was a situational player whose injury in the AFCC really hurt the Pats. He didnt lose 30 pounds 2 weeks ago. This has been ongoing problem throughout the off season. If Love didnt seek out a Doctor until now then thats on him for waiting so long when youve lost that much weight. Although he and his agent claim the weight is almost all back, Love still has to NOW prove that he can maintain his weight through the rigors of an NFL season. Do you know he didn't actually see a doctor until now? Doctors don't really know what causes diabetes. They've found a lot of correlations between diabetes and other things - being overweight or, in women, having poly-cystic ovary syndrome, for example - but they don't really know, exactly, why diabetes occurs. Weight loss can be a symptom of a lot of things, and it isn't unreasonable to believe that it took 6-8 months to get a firm diagnosis, especially if there were no other symptoms that went along with the weight loss. And it really doesn't matter, this makes the Patriots look terrible, since most people are sympathetic to sick people. And at this point, Love mostly has to eat regularly, watch his diet, and maybe test his blood a couple times a day. It's not like he was diagnoses with MS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 I posted to you: But your post doesn't address the fact that there is no reason to suspect that Love was hiding anything. Your answer was: What part of this sentence escapes you? “This comes on the heels of Kyle having been diagnosed within the past two weeks with Type-2 diabetes, What escapes me entirely is how Kyle being diagnosed two weeks ago with Type 2 diabetes makes it likely that he was hiding something. I see no connection between the date of diabetes diagnosis and the likelihood of hiding. If you do, please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 I posted to you: Your answer was: What escapes me entirely is how Kyle being diagnosed two weeks ago with Type 2 diabetes makes it likely that he was hiding something. I see no connection between the date of diabetes diagnosis and the likelihood of hiding. If you do, please explain. You even suggested that Loves play may have suffered last season because of Diabetes and yet we find out 2 weeks ago that something is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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