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Sperm Edwards    338,547

Havent listened to Imus in years, but some of the youtube clips from the 90's pranking into Francesa and other WFAN mongos we're pretty hilarious. Imus was on every morning in the house growing up- some of it sucked and some of it I laughed at. Also, Imus birthed Mike Breen, who's probably the best play by play guy in the biz- and he was hysterical on the show.

 

Everyone has their own taste...I'd imagine 99% of us wouldnt find ALS jokes funny...but there are comedians out there who put nothing off limits either. As a listener or message board contributor....I cant imagine myself ever bitching or demanding someone getting fired/banned over words. Just block the person or change the channel.

Comedians only represent themselves individually.  These guys represent a radio station (whether they believe so or not).  That is why they got fired.

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Matt39    35,849

Comedians only represent themselves individually.  These guys represent a radio station (whether they believe so or not).  That is why they got fired.

 

I guess that's what Sirius is for...

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Bleedin Green    73,959

Some of you guys are scary in how willing you are to defend sh*t firings like this. Every single time you hear the same thing - the company has the right. No worries on how a media entertainment company using this right to censor...apparently a real thing we should respect...reverberates.

I am absolutely sick of the forced apologies to quiet a handful of ******* pussies who live in this fantasy world where right #1 is that you can live life unoffended. Nobody really gives a sh*t what these guys said - its already long finished as a story - but we continue to give into the whims of whiny, sniveling little faggots who do not represent the majority but do know how to shed a phony tear.

Btw what they said did not violate any FCC rules.

 

Do me a favor, go tell your boss off and to go **** themselves.  Then be sure to cry about free speech to them as they fire your ass.

 

The bottom line is the company decided (for whatever their reason, it really doesn't matter) that they no longer wanted to retain these guys as their employees.  What possible reason could you use to justify the idea that a company should be forced to retain an employee they no longer want anything to do with?  Keep in mind, as much as I disagree with what they did, my initial thought was not that they absolutely had to be fired for it, but that doesn't change the fact that their employers have every right to make that decision as they see fit.  Legality and FCC rules doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.  I'd imagine 99% of the things people get fired for are perfectly legal.  You have the legal right to suck ass at your job, it still doesn't make it wrong for you to get fired for it.

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SenorGato    13,224

Do me a favor, go tell your boss off and to go **** themselves.  Then be sure to cry about free speech to them as they fire your ass.

 
 
That isn't what those guys did and stupid, reactionary firings like this is exactly why radio ate itself alive. Podcasts are laying waste to radio land because those faggots NEVER back their product despite knowing what they are getting into. 
 
The bottom line is that company is weak and it will be hilarious when they go out of business because they failed to do their jobs of putting on a quality, entertaining radio program. 
 

What possible reason could you use to justify the idea that a company should be forced to retain an employee they no longer want anything to do with? 

 

Again, not even remotely the situation. I bet those guys weren't even on the corporate radar for whatever sh*t company that is until their 5 minutes came up and the company chose to panic. Like I said, well within their rights but totally a sign that that company has a bunch of sh*t for brains and everyone wears their panties bunched.

 

By all relevant accounts I have heard those guys did not suck at their job. At least the company has the support of the people - the company is our friend. Owners are the friend of sports fans...The ******* mentality is really, really scary. 

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kelticwizard    9,531

 
...reactionary firings like this is exactly why radio ate itself alive....
....The bottom line is that company is weak....

Yeah, they should be cool and wait several days while umpteen groups representing ALS victims and their families call press conferences the national media covers, complete with inspirational stories about how ALS victims still manage to give meaning to their lives despite living with a degenerative disease.

 

Then after several days of nonstop jokes by Letterman, Leno and Fallon and being made a national joke generally, the station should decide to fire the guys then, thereby transmitting to the nation the idea that the station management is a collection of gut-free wusses who only do the right thing when the heat comes down.

 

Brilliant.

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SenorGato    13,224

Yeah, they should be cool and wait several days while umpteen groups representing ALS victims and their families call press conferences the national media covers, complete with inspirational stories about how ALS victims still manage to give meaning to their lives despite living with a degenerative disease.

 

Then after several days of nonstop jokes by Letterman, Leno and Fallon and being made a national joke generally, the station should decide to fire the guys then, thereby transmitting to the nation the idea that the station management is a collection of gut-free wusses who only do the right thing when the heat comes down.

 

Brilliant.

 

That's literally more press than any other radio show or radio station (or ALS) has had in a long time, and it does not take much to say "they violated no rules, learn to take a joke as a joke." Firing them in general is not OK. 

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T0mShane    90,936

Podcasts are destroying radio. LOLOLOLOLOLKOLKLOLOLOLKOKKLLKKKLIFFIFFVHFDCVGFFJJFSTHBKKLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLLOOKOOLOLOL

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kelticwizard    9,531

That's literally more press than any other radio show or radio station (or ALS) has had in a long time, and it does not take much to say "they violated no rules, learn to take a joke as a joke." Firing them in general is not OK. 

 

So what you're saying is the station should stick by it's radio comedy hosts' evisceration of a sportscaster for his ALS condition even though it would subject the station  to continued public disgust and make the station and it's management a national joke.  This is your idea of the right way to go.

 

I see you're a big believer in PT Barnum's philosophy:  "There is no such thing as bad publicity".

 

Unfortunately, that philosophy doesn't always work.  Take a look a t Jerry Sandusky's Second Mile Foundation, for instance.

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Lizard King    1,481

That's literally more press than any other radio show or radio station (or ALS) has had in a long time, and it does not take much to say "they violated no rules, learn to take a joke as a joke." Firing them in general is not OK.

They were fired because the skit didn't represent the values of the company, and cheap classless humor costs the company advetising dollars, therefore they were a liability to the company and had to go. Nothing to do whatsoever with free speech. It is about a firm's right to profitability. If they want to go twist around on a public park and mock ALS they are welcome to do so.

By the way we just recently lost a good friend who, if not for ALS would be 52 years old. So if you could keep that in mind with your free speech/look at me strawman it would be appreciated, because this sh*t is very real with no cure and ruins families...unlike any message board position you ever take.

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Bleedin Green    73,959

That's literally more press than any other radio show or radio station (or ALS) has had in a long time, and it does not take much to say "they violated no rules, learn to take a joke as a joke." Firing them in general is not OK. 

 

Please feel free to fill us all in on all of the company policies of the station they worked for, since you apparently are so familiar with them.  You do realize that this wasn't some random tasteless joke some schmuck made to his friends one night and then walked into work the next day and got fired for it, these guys were working; on the air, doing what they were paid to do, with thousands of the station's customers listening when they did this.  So, once again, if a company is displeased with the work they are paying you to do, they are no longer going to pay you to do it, that's simply how the working world goes, just as it should.

 

I'm really not sure what's so difficult to grasp about this concept.  Then again, this is coming from the same guy who thinks the customer is to blame when they insist on actually getting the change for their purchase which he didn't bring, so perhaps we shouldn't be too surprised.

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kay_gee    407

Plus, not for nothing, they weren't just laughing at a group of sick people, they picked out a specific guy to publicly embarrass.

 

Bullying isn't cool.

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Lizard King    1,481

Plus, not for nothing, they weren't just laughing at a group of sick people, they picked out a specific guy to publicly embarrass.

 

Bullying isn't cool.

Yeah, not to mention, the guy has a young son who is years if not months away from losing his father. There are not many sure bets in life other than the Jets not being in the Superbowl, but losing a battle to ALS is one of them.

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SenorGato    13,224

Podcasts are destroying radio. LOLOLOLOLOLKOLKLOLOLOLKOKKLLKKKLIFFIFFVHFDCVGFFJJFSTHBKKLOLOLOLOLOLOLLOLLOOKOOLOLOL

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Podcasts and MP3s, yes T0m. 

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SenorGato    13,224

Plus, not for nothing, they weren't just laughing at a group of sick people, they picked out a specific guy to publicly embarrass.

 

Bullying isn't cool.

 

Bullying is another thing that isn't illegal either, and this is only bullying now because we need to further label this thing ANYTHING other than what it was. It's sick. 

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SenorGato    13,224

So what you're saying is the station should stick by it's radio comedy hosts' evisceration of a sportscaster for his ALS condition even though it would subject the station  to continued public disgust and make the station and it's management a national joke.  This is your idea of the right way to go.

 

I see you're a big believer in PT Barnum's philosophy:  "There is no such thing as bad publicity".

 

Unfortunately, that philosophy doesn't always work.  Take a look a t Jerry Sandusky's Second Mile Foundation, for instance.

 

Evisceration? Is this a ******* joke? 

 

The public disgust would last until someone else said something else, IF even that long. The station would survive, and maybe if they handled the situation like the fully grown adults supposedly running the station are they reach a few people. 

 

Jerry Sandusky ****ed kids for 20 years dude. The **** is wrong with you people? This couldn't be any less like Sandusky. What a sick way of looking at this...I am speaking to adults, right? Adults who can tell the difference between entertainment/jokes and an actual attack, right? If not, can we get one on the line?

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Bleedin Green    73,959

Bullying is another thing that isn't illegal either, and this is only bullying now because we need to further label this thing ANYTHING other than what it was. It's sick. 

 

Which would be why they weren't arrested, they were fired.  There is absolutely zero correlation between legality of an action and a company's ability to fire you for it.

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SenorGato    13,224

Seems to me that if you have to resort to making fun of Steve Gleason to get a laugh, you're neither smart nor funny enough to have a radio show anyway.

 

Yeah, the normal reaction to unfunny things isn't a firing. The public doesn't have to be offended for Steve Gleason, and Steve Gleason has no right to go through life without offense because he has ALS. The assumption that Gleason IS offended and something must be done to defend...whatever it is you guys think is being defended by firing these guys....is ****ed in the first place. 

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Bleedin Green    73,959

Yeah, the normal reaction to unfunny things isn't a firing. The public doesn't have to be offended for Steve Gleason, and Steve Gleason has no right to go through life without offense because he has ALS. The assumption that Gleason IS offended and something must be done to defend...whatever it is you guys think is being defended by firing these guys....is ****ed in the first place. 

 

I'll let you in on a little secret, these guys were paid lots of money to be funny and ultimately entertain their customers (which in this case, would be the public).  So I hate to have to break this to you, but when you're failing at your job and pissing off your customers, firing is actually the normal reaction.  What they did is directly related to their jobs, that's not even up for debate; your refusal to acknowledge that doesn't magically make it not so.

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kelticwizard    9,531

Evisceration? Is this a ******* joke? 

 

No, it's a word which physically means to cut someone apart, and linguistically means to cut someone apart verbally, especially in public.  For instance, William Safire, columnist for the The New York Times and former Nixon speechwriter,  once described Lloyd Bentsen's comment to Dan Quayle in the 1984 vice presidential debate-"Senator, you are no Jack Kennedy"-as a public evisceration, for it was widely perceived as an extremely damaging insult to Quayle.  I have seen the word used similarly by other writers, it is not an uncommon usage.

 

In the same vein, these three radio hosts put on a skit which sought to have fun cutting up Steve Gleason in his attempt to do his sports commentary job despite the disadvantages his ALS condition, such as not being able to talk without assistance from an electronic device.   Evisceration, or at least attempted evisceration, is an apt description.

 

Got that now?

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kay_gee    407

Which would be why they weren't arrested, they were fired.  There is absolutely zero correlation between legality of an action and a company's ability to fire you for it.

 

 

BUT OMG FREEDOMS!

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kelticwizard    9,531

.....Jerry Sandusky ****ed kids for 20 years dude. The **** is wrong with you people? This couldn't be any less like Sandusky. What a sick way of looking at this...I am speaking to adults, right? Adults who can tell the difference between entertainment/jokes and an actual attack, right? If not, can we get one on the line?

 

In post  #37 you defended the idea of retaining the three radio hosts, despite the widespread public disgust and national criticism it would likely bring, on the basis that the radio station and ALS would receive more attention than they ever had before.  In other words, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

 

I never equated Sandusky's action with the radio hosts' skit.  I simply gave Sandusky's foundation as an example of an organization which WAS brought down by damaging media attention.  In other words, there IS such a thing as bad publicity.  I can give others.

 

Despite what you may think, bad publicity and public outcry can damage or even bring down an organization, and a smart manager will move swiftly and decisively to limit such damage immediately, as was done here. 

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Lizard King    1,481

Steve Gleason has no right to go through life without offense because he has ALS.

It's without question at this point that you are a miserable piece of sh*t. Cetainly you could not make it through life spewing these vitriolic views aloud, as guys like me would drill you into your own battle with ALS. So I ask, what part of your sick, demented Internet persona thinks the below is even good humor?

Gleason wrote a column for Sports Illustrated that appeared Monday detailing his battle with the terminal disease. Gleason has lost most of his motor skills and has to communicate with a computerized device that lets him write and speak using only his eyes.

The three radio hosts, Steve Shapiro, Nick Cellini and Chris Dimino, thought Gleason's disease would be good fodder for a skit on their radio show on 790 The Zone in Atlanta.

The three did a mock interview with Gleason, complete with a fake robotic voice. At one point in the segment, the fake Gleason started a "knock knock" joke, with the "joke" being: "Smother." "Smother Who?" "Smother me. Do me a favor."

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76350622/

As the guy winks to his child goodnight that won't know a father in months, I would love to know how you justify anyone keeping their job after that.

Lovely.

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Matt39    35,849

It's without question at this point that you are a miserable piece of sh*t. Cetainly you could not make it through life spewing these vitriolic views aloud, as guys like me would drill you into your own battle with ALS. So I ask, what part of your sick, demented Internet persona thinks the below is even good humor?

Gleason wrote a column for Sports Illustrated that appeared Monday detailing his battle with the terminal disease. Gleason has lost most of his motor skills and has to communicate with a computerized device that lets him write and speak using only his eyes.

The three radio hosts, Steve Shapiro, Nick Cellini and Chris Dimino, thought Gleason's disease would be good fodder for a skit on their radio show on 790 The Zone in Atlanta.

The three did a mock interview with Gleason, complete with a fake robotic voice. At one point in the segment, the fake Gleason started a "knock knock" joke, with the "joke" being: "Smother." "Smother Who?" "Smother me. Do me a favor."

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76350622/

As the guy winks to his child goodnight that won't know a father in months, I would love to know how you justify anyone keeping their job after that.

Lovely.

 

Ok. So where do we draw the line? What can be considered funny and what cant? Most people I'm sure didnt feel the ALS joke was anywhere near funny....I didnt think it was.

 

But sitting around and demanding someone to be fired over a bad attempt at humor...man ppl need to get a grip. They're just words. No one was injured.

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kay_gee    407

Ok. So where do we draw the line? What can be considered funny and what cant? Most people I'm sure didnt feel the ALS joke was anywhere near funny....I didnt think it was.

 

But sitting around and demanding someone to be fired over a bad attempt at humor...man ppl need to get a grip. They're just words. No one was injured.

 

No, but if the company wants to fire them, that's their prerogative. The fact that someone's throwing an internet tantrum because these guys got fired in a country with free speech right just shows that a] he has no idea that sketch is unfunny at best and bad for their business at worst, and b] he doesn't understand that the Constitution only guarantees you can't be prosecuted/thrown in jail by the government for what you say. It doesn't mean your employer can't fire you if they decide you've done something bad for their business or that doesn't reflect their brand values.

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SenorGato    13,224

It's without question at this point that you are a miserable piece of sh*t. Cetainly you could not make it through life spewing these vitriolic views aloud, as guys like me would drill you into your own battle with ALS. So I ask, what part of your sick, demented Internet persona thinks the below is even good humor?

As the guy winks to his child goodnight that won't know a father in months, I would love to know how you justify anyone keeping their job after that.

Lovely.

 

First bold: Whoa love, it really takes a miserable piece of sh*t to type that out. 

 

Second bold: Read the thread. 

 

So what's the line for funny? What can and can't you make fun of? What are the laws to joke telling on an entertainment platform that remain unwritten? Why can't they be written down so that those guys actually broke a rule rather than crossed some invisible, bullsh*t, arbitrary line? What does his kid have to do with his joke? 

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T0mShane    90,936

The public doesn't have to be offended for Steve Gleason.

You would like to dictate how an entire audience should react to certain productions, or at least determine a societal standard as to how offended an entire audience should be allowed to be.

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T0mShane    90,936

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Podcasts and MP3s, yes T0m.

You made this up entirely. There is not a single data point available to suggest that more people are turning to podcasts at the expense of traditional radio.

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T0mShane    90,936

Ok. So where do we draw the line? What can be considered funny and what cant? Most people I'm sure didnt feel the ALS joke was anywhere near funny....I didnt think it was.

But sitting around and demanding someone to be fired over a bad attempt at humor...man ppl need to get a grip. They're just words. No one was injured.

Imus wasn't fired because people demanded it. Imus was fired because corporations pulled their financing for a show that wasn't pulling great ratings anyway. You and Gato want to make a philosophical argument to determine what a societal standard should be for what is it isn't offensive. If you guys think that there should be zero limits to what can be disseminated, that's fine, but you'd be ignoring the practical realities of the broadcasting industry.

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