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#1 Jacked4JetsFB

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:34 PM

I have been all in with Geno since we drafted him, mainly because his name is not Sanchez. I am not a big college football fan, so I have not seen him play much prior to the two pre-season games this year. I really hope I am wrong, but to me, Geno does not pass the eye test of an NFL QB. Forget about the interceptions, I could care less about them in a meaningless pre-season game against a top flight defense in his first start. I mean just watching him play the QB position, he does not look like a good NFL QB. His mechanics, his comfort level back there in the pocket, his presence as a QB, everything about him. He has a strong arm and throws a nice spiral, but that to me is where it ends.

 

I know a lot of guys pass the eye test, but suck as a QB, but I cannot think of one guy who is a really good NFL QB who fails the QB eye test. The closest who comes to my mind is Romo, but I think he sucks, others may disagree, and he looks comfortable, just has a really awkward throwing motion.

 

I hope I am wrong, but I don't like the looks of Geno as a QB.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:35 PM

the eye test is a real thing, for example Sheldon Richardson is a player who passes the eye test. As soon as you see him on the field you know he's special. 

 

Geno vs Mark we will look back at this as herpes vs crabs. Two bad options. 


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:36 PM

That's all I need...Bridgewater or bust.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:37 PM

the eye test is a real thing, for example Sheldon Richardson is a player who passes the eye test. As soon as you see him on the field you know he's special. 

 

Geno vs Mark we will look back at this as herpes vs crabs. Two bad options. 

 

How did you end up choosing?


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:43 PM

This is crazy....I mean did he paly awful? Yes. But he is a rookie that made rookie mistakes. Something like staring down receivers is a result of this kid pressing to make sure he doesn't turn the ball over, which coincidentally resulted in turnovers. He knew all he ahd to do was play mistake free to win that job and he choked. I'm not surprised though because he is a rookie. I don't see how we can judge him on a single preseason game. This kid didn't even come from a pro style offense.

 

I know after that performance I am in the minority here but I STILL take Geno over Sanchez. Its easier to tolerate rookie mistakes from a rookie than rookie mistakes from a 5 year starter.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:45 PM

This is crazy....I mean did he paly awful? Yes. But he is a rookie that made rookie mistakes. Something like staring down receivers is a result of this kid pressing to make sure he doesn't turn the ball over, which coincidentally resulted in turnovers. He knew all he ahd to do was play mistake free to win that job and he choked. I'm not surprised though because he is a rookie. I don't see how we can judge him on a single preseason game. This kid didn't even come from a pro style offense.

 

I know after that performance I am in the minority here but I STILL take Geno over Sanchez. Its easier to tolerate rookie mistakes from a rookie than rookie mistakes from a 5 year starter.

I take anyone, anyone! over Sanchez. This has nothing to do with that dope.

 

I am not grading his performance, I don't care about his performance. All I am saying is when I watch him play the QB position, not the results, just watch him, he does not look like an NFL QB to me. That usually does not change. You either look like an NFL player or you dont. You can get much better, cut out mistakes, but he just does not look like a NFL QB to me, I hope I am wrong.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:47 PM

the eye test is a real thing, for example Sheldon Richardson is a player who passes the eye test. As soon as you see him on the field you know he's special. 

 

Geno vs Mark we will look back at this as herpes vs crabs. Two bad options. 

A couple of weeks back, wasn't it you that told me "the eye test" was faulty for determining defensive rankings?


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:49 PM

A couple of weeks back, wasn't it you that told me "the eye test" was faulty for determining defensive rankings?

 

dont remember that. maybe it was someone else. 


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:58 PM

I posted that sanchez stares down receivers, feels pressure that isn't there, has no instincts and can't extend plays.

 

someone who watched geno a lot said geno is the same player

 

thats kinda what I saw sat night

 

kinda scary


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 12:59 PM

I take anyone, anyone! over Sanchez. This has nothing to do with that dope.

 

I am not grading his performance, I don't care about his performance. All I am saying is when I watch him play the QB position, not the results, just watch him, he does not look like an NFL QB to me. That usually does not change. You either look like an NFL player or you dont. You can get much better, cut out mistakes, but he just does not look like a NFL QB to me, I hope I am wrong.

 

Ok, fair enough. But you don't think that can change? To me he looked a little timid but I would expect that. For a preseason game I felt like there was ad ecent amount of pressure on him that he understood. He seems to be grasping the offense but is just making mistakes that he can correct. I think he looks like someone who has it in him to be a great player if he just relaxes and plays the game. I think him pressing and looking timid is playing a role in him "failing" the eye test.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:00 PM

I posted that sanchez stares down receivers, feels pressure that isn't there, has no instincts and can't extend plays.

 

someone who watched geno a lot said geno is the same player

 

thats kinda what I saw sat night

 

kinda scary

 

Except Geno is that player in his ROOKIE year.

 

Not as scary.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:00 PM

Bitonti Speaks the truth! I have known him for years and he is not a homer. I thought EJ Manuel was a better selection at QB than Geno in the draft. I guess we will see in years to come who made the better selection.

 

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:01 PM

Looked lost if we're going off the eye test. Poor mechanics, uncomfortable, takes forever on his throws(almost Leftwich like).

 

IDK...but yeah I wasnt impressed.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:03 PM

For a rookie QB, isn't the eye test - has a strong arm and throws a nice spiral?  If he does that and has pocket presence and looks comfortable he usually isn't a rookie in his first start. 


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:05 PM

For a rookie QB, isn't the eye test - has a strong arm and throws a nice spiral?  If he does that and has pocket presence and looks comfortable he usually isn't a rookie in his first start. 

Wouldn't it be-

 

-Footwork

-Motion and release

-Poise in the pocket

-Arm Strength

-Ability to sense rush

 

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:06 PM

I posted that sanchez stares down receivers, feels pressure that isn't there, has no instincts and can't extend plays.

 

someone who watched geno a lot said geno is the same player

 

thats kinda what I saw sat night

 

kinda scary

I saw the same thing you speak of but lets be fair here.It was a raw rook going against the vaunted NYG d-line, one of the most aggressive in the league. Had to be at least a little bit intimidated, coming off an ankle injury, still learning to QB from under center etc. I think what we saw was what was expected. He did flash some ability, pass to Hiil comes to mind, shorter stuff led the rec better than #6 ever does. Weve seen Snachez have the same kinda game after 4 yrs in the NFL...........just sayin


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:07 PM

For a rookie QB, isn't the eye test - has a strong arm and throws a nice spiral?  If he does that and has pocket presence and looks comfortable he usually isn't a rookie in his first start.

 

Exactly.

 

Geno is gonna be judged a little more harshly though because people wanted him to be the savior haha Which is strange when we have the worse (or at least one of the worst) QB's in the NFL. You would think anything would be better.

 

I cant count him out yet after 1 preseason game and anyone who is, is really being unfair here. He felt the pressure riding on him and made some bad rookie mistakes. I hope he relaxes and learns from them.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:08 PM

Except Geno is that player in his ROOKIE year.

 

Not as scary.

 

good point.  and going against a good defense that was game planning the game.  not a lot of weapons on is side.

 

the thing that jumped out at me was staring down his WR's waiting for them to come open.

 

if your #1 read is on the right, just give the safety something to think about by looking left as you drop back, and come back to it

 

the giants DB even mentioned it in the post game.  thats on his scouting report now


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:08 PM

Geno needs help on:

 

Footwork

Huddle Presence

Ability to Sense Pressure

 

He has :

 

Strong Arm

Good Spiral

Can hit the long pass with velocity

 

 

I think a darkhorse is Matt Simms. That kid is going to be special. If they gave Matt a true shot instead of just slotting him in the third slot, he would turn heads.

 

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:13 PM

interesting how differently fans see the game.  I saw a very comfortable confident player.  He didnt look like the moment was too big for him.  Didnt get rattled by the mistakes.  Clearly, there were some things you'd like to see different but he's a rookie playing in his first ever NFL action, if you were expecting a spotless performance than you were fooling yourself.

 

I saw a pretty raw QB with a ton of promise.  


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:14 PM

Ok, fair enough. But you don't think that can change? To me he looked a little timid but I would expect that. For a preseason game I felt like there was ad ecent amount of pressure on him that he understood. He seems to be grasping the offense but is just making mistakes that he can correct. I think he looks like someone who has it in him to be a great player if he just relaxes and plays the game. I think him pressing and looking timid is playing a role in him "failing" the eye test.

 

Of course it can change, but I don't ever recall seeing a QB who I thought did not "look like a QB" even young, develop into a good QB. There are some things that can be learned, and some things that cannot be learned. The things that bothered me about Geno the other day were things that are not learned, you either have it or you don't.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:15 PM

For a rookie QB, isn't the eye test - has a strong arm and throws a nice spiral?  If he does that and has pocket presence and looks comfortable he usually isn't a rookie in his first start. 

 

Pretty sure the broadcasters even made that exact remark, he didnt look like a rookie out there, even with the mistakes.  Pretty poised if you ask me. 


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:16 PM

good point.  and going against a good defense that was game planning the game.  not a lot of weapons on is side.

 

the thing that jumped out at me was staring down his WR's waiting for them to come open.

 

if your #1 read is on the right, just give the safety something to think about by looking left as you drop back, and come back to it

 

the giants DB even mentioned it in the post game.  thats on his scouting report now

 

100% agree with you man! To me this was his biggest issue and I really believe that comes from know that the BIGGEST complaint against Sanchez is turning the ball over. So he was trying to really make absolutely sure receivers were opened before passing. Hopefully he realized that doesn't work in the NFL and adjusts.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:18 PM

Pretty sure the broadcasters even made that exact remark, he didnt look like a rookie out there, even with the mistakes.  Pretty poised if you ask me. 

 

I had no problem with his poise, nor his mistakes or the results at all. All I am saying is when I watch him play the QB position, he does not look like a good QB to me. The way he moves in the pocket, the way he looks down field, the way he delivers the ball, it does not look like a natural QB to me. He throws a nice ball for sure, and he did look poised, but the best way I can put it is he did not look at all like a natural QB. Almost like a really good athlete playing QB. Even Vick who I hate as a QB looks much more natural at the QB position to me, and I don't think he is awful as a QB, almost Sanchez awful.


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Posted 26 August 2013 - 01:18 PM

Of course it can change, but I don't ever recall seeing a QB who I thought did not "look like a QB" even young, develop into a good QB. There are some things that can be learned, and some things that cannot be learned. The things that bothered me about Geno the other day were things that are not learned, you either have it or you don't.

 

Like what? I agree with JiF, he looked comfortable to me but was trying to make absolutely sure he was passing to an open guy. That was his biggest downfall and that is certainly correctable.


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