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GTFOH Chris Simms, Matt Sims, Sy Syms. None of them are winning a Super Bowl.

 

 

All this time I hadn't realized there was a difference between Chris and Matt, until this post ... now the sudden spark of potential makes sense. LOL

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Yes, I remember it well, actually. He was a backup to Scott Bruner. I just don't know how, beyond the last name, and well, the blonde, they are similar. You're comparing one QB from one era who has won Super Bowls and had a Hall of Fame career to another who has played against third stringers in preseason, no matter what the last name is.

 

I doubt you, or anyone, ever MENTIONED Matt Simms before he played this preseason or even knew he was alive.

 

Yeah, well being that it is his son, its easier to compare. Phil had a terrible college career at a terrible school (Moorehead State). He always looked tentative, something that drove Parcells nuts early in his career, and was a reason for his accuracy knock, and he had a pretty strong arm (although I think Matt's is stronger). So I see some similarities. You are right, I would not be saying this if it was not his son - but it is his son. Look, I never heard of Kurt Warner or Tony Romo either. If I had, I would probably be working in the NFL right now. All I'm saying here is that the kid deserves a chance.

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My memory of #12 was that Simms was injured every year.

 

Yeah I was very young then too. But I remember him always being hurt and Giants fans complaining that he was injury prone, inaccurate and not very smart.

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Forget the eye test -- that has long been debunked as a viable means of evaluating QB talent.  Gotta go with the smell test.  Geno stinks!

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I don't know about the eye test and how predictive it really is, but I do have concerns about throwing Geno in there when he's not ready.  Bad experiences do not make players better, and if he is in there before he is at least somewhat more ready than he seems to be, that could make the situatino worse.

 

On the ohter hand the Jets will have to see how well he can do later in the season, at some point, to know whether they need to look elsewhere for a Qb next off season.  But that does not mean he needs to start now, and really if you look at the schedule, they should probably wait until game six or so.

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Yeah... I was wrong! Very wrong!

 

Geno looked very much like an NFL QB yesterday. I was really pleasantly surprised how much in fact. He was for the most part very accurate, very poised, showed a very strong arm, and a lot of QB intelligence, taking what was there, throwing it away when it wasn't there, and running to keep some nice drives going.

 

He really should only get better with experience. If we can get him some game breakers too, we may have something special. I don't want to get carried away against a bad Bucs team who really gave us the game as much as we won it, but that said, Geno looks to be the real deal. I am very happy to admit when I am wrong! Sorry Geno!

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Yeah... I was wrong! Very wrong!

 

Geno looked very much like an NFL QB yesterday. I was really pleasantly surprised how much in fact. He was for the most part very accurate, very poised, showed a very strong arm, and a lot of QB intelligence, taking what was there, throwing it away when it wasn't there, and running to keep some nice drives going.

 

He really should only get better with experience. If we can get him some game breakers too, we may have something special. I don't want to get carried away against a bad Bucs team who really gave us the game as much as we won it, but that said, Geno looks to be the real deal. I am very happy to admit when I am wrong! Sorry Geno!

 

this is a nice mea culpa and the Jets won but geno had a bad strip sack at the 5, a terrible interception attempting to throw to ivory. he took an 18 yard sack to remove them from FG range. he missed several guys running free and wide open (early play when he threw at Revis instead of wide open winslow in the flat). He did some good things some bad things. people forget Mark Sanchez wins on opening day too. I am happy they won but it's way too early for "real deal"

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this is a nice mea culpa and the Jets won but geno had a bad strip sack at the 5, a terrible interception attempting to throw to ivory. he took an 18 yard sack to remove them from FG range. he missed several guys running free and wide open (early play when he threw at Revis instead of wide open winslow in the flat). He did some good things some bad things. people forget Mark Sanchez wins on opening day too. I am happy they won but it's way too early for "real deal"

 

The Jets shouldnt have been throwing the ball there.

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Yeah... I was wrong! Very wrong!

 

Geno looked very much like an NFL QB yesterday. I was really pleasantly surprised how much in fact. He was for the most part very accurate, very poised, showed a very strong arm, and a lot of QB intelligence, taking what was there, throwing it away when it wasn't there, and running to keep some nice drives going.

 

He really should only get better with experience. If we can get him some game breakers too, we may have something special. I don't want to get carried away against a bad Bucs team who really gave us the game as much as we won it, but that said, Geno looks to be the real deal. I am very happy to admit when I am wrong! Sorry Geno!

 

Classy.  My hat is off to you.  All too often on these boards guys won't admit when they're wrong due to their ego/insecurities.

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Yeah... I was wrong! Very wrong!

 

Geno looked very much like an NFL QB yesterday. I was really pleasantly surprised how much in fact. He was for the most part very accurate, very poised, showed a very strong arm, and a lot of QB intelligence, taking what was there, throwing it away when it wasn't there, and running to keep some nice drives going.

 

He really should only get better with experience. If we can get him some game breakers too, we may have something special. I don't want to get carried away against a bad Bucs team who really gave us the game as much as we won it, but that said, Geno looks to be the real deal. I am very happy to admit when I am wrong! Sorry Geno!

This is a nice surprise on this board haha

I honestly think his ankle was maybe bothering him more than the Jets let on. It still might not even be 100% but it football so nobody is really ever 100%. He looked really good yesterday. He made a few mistakes but again they were correctable. The good definitely outweighed the bad yesterday. Each game I think we will see him progress. I thought for the most part his decision making was really good and the moment was never too big. Even after they hit that field goal he was on sideline clapping getting the offense ready to go.

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Classy.  My hat is off to you.  All too often on these boards guys won't admit when they're wrong due to their ego/insecurities.

 

Thanks.

 

None of us are really experts, some are more knowledgeable than others for sure, but at the end of the day, even the worst NFL GM's, coaches and personnel people are 100 times more knowledgeable than we are. That does not mean they don't make horrible decisions at times, but its the fact.

 

We are fans, we get to sit on our keyboards and criticize. I am happy to throw my opinions out there, and happy to say when I am wright, or wrong.

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Yeah... I was wrong! Very wrong!

 

Geno looked very much like an NFL QB yesterday. I was really pleasantly surprised how much in fact. He was for the most part very accurate, very poised, showed a very strong arm, and a lot of QB intelligence, taking what was there, throwing it away when it wasn't there, and running to keep some nice drives going.

 

He really should only get better with experience. If we can get him some game breakers too, we may have something special. I don't want to get carried away against a bad Bucs team who really gave us the game as much as we won it, but that said, Geno looks to be the real deal. I am very happy to admit when I am wrong! Sorry Geno!

 

The mob is fickle.

 

Looking forward to the flip flop after the first disaster, which will happen.

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Geno has passed my eye test so far, just looking at him play, he reminds me of a mix between Vick and Kaepernick. He doesn't have Vick's speed or explosiveness, but his closing speed was impressive yesterday, it seemed that he accelerated just enough to either get the first down or get out of bounds to avoid a hit (except the last one) when he ran. What I also liked was that he had tremendous pocket awareness for his first game (minus the fumble) there were times were I felt like I was about to scream through my tv telling him to scramble or throw the ball but he was able to move judiciously in an around the pocket to avoid being hit.

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The mob is fickle.

 

Looking forward to the flip flop after the first disaster, which will happen.

 

Nah..... not here.

 

Let me be a bit more clear. My original post was saying that when I watched him play in pre-season, he did not look the part of an NFL QB. This last post was saying I was wrong, he does look like an NFL QB to me.

 

The real deal comment again was he looks like the real deal.

 

He WILL struggle, he is a rookie.

 

The league WILL learn him and make adjustments.

 

Geno has the tools to be a franchise QB.

 

Whether or not he will depends on 2 main factors IMO: 

 

1) will the NFL game slow down for him

2) when the league makes adjustments, can he make the right adjustments to the leagues adjustments

 

If he can, we have our guy. Whether or not these two things happen is anyones guess.

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