MMQB: It's Not Rex, It's the Personnell. Or, "You fans don't know sh-t"

[Lizard King]

I took some liberties with the title.

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/13/greg-bedard-weekend-notes-week2/

Weekend Notes

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Perceptions and Realities

Why Rex Ryan shouldn't worry about his job, why Chip Kelly should slow down, 10 things to consider before kickoff on Sunday and introducing a new pass-rush stat that will make sacks seem as outdated as leather helmets

ByGreg A. Bedard

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FOXBOROUGH, Mass. — When Rex Ryan stepped to the podium after his Jets fell to the Patriots, 13-10, on Thursday night, he looked as if somebody had just punched him in the gut. The Jets have lost 23 regular-season games in his four-plus seasons at the helm, but none sting more than those at hands of Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.

“It’s a divisional opponent; New England is one of the great teams in this league,” linebacker David Harris told The MMQB. “It’s kind of a measuring stick for him and for us.”

This one hurts Ryan to his core for a couple of reasons. Foremost, this was a golden opportunity to steal one against a Patriots team—the AFC East bullies the past 13 seasons—that isn’t operating from a position of strength. Brady’s targets were so vaunted that Julian Edelman, he of 69 career receptions entering the season, drew double and triple coverage in the end zone. If there was a time to knock off the Patriots, it was Thursday night, when Brady completed just 48.7% of his passes (his lowest mark since December 2002) and they managed just nine first downs, converted 22% of third downs and gained a putrid 3.6 yards per play. The Pats were ripe for the taking, and the Jets knew it.

“I think so,” said cornerback Antonio Cromartie in the bowels of Gillette Stadium. “We gave them seven points because of a blown coverage, we didn’t know the personnel that was in, and that’s seven points there. We felt like they couldn’t move the ball on us—they couldn’t run the ball or they couldn’t throw the ball on us, especially to the outside guys.”

The perception is that the Jets are a mess. This is the undeniable reality about the Jets: Rex Ryan and his staff can flat-out coach.

The other reason why Ryan was so despondent? This is the second straight season in which Ryan and his coaches took an undermanned and outclassed team to Gillette as double-digit underdogs, with Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith at quarterback, and put together a tremendous game plan, only to see the players fail to execute in crucial spots and lose by three points each time.

This is where perception meets reality. The perception of the Jets is that they are a mess. You have an owner, Woody Johnson, who doesn’t know which end is up on a football (OK, that part is true). There’s a new general manager, John Idzik, who had coach Rex Ryan forced upon him and is counting the days until he can install his own coach. You’ve heard there’s a disconnect between the kind of players Ryan needs to win, and the kind of players Idzik has given him. And that Ryan ultimately doomed himself by inserting Sanchez into the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, only to suffer a potentially season-ending shoulder injury.

As the narrative goes, Ryan is a dead coach walking. But the great thing about football is that perception doesn’t matter and reality plays out on the field for all to see. And this is the undeniable reality about the Jets: Ryan and his staff can flat-out coach. They just don’t have enough players yet. And haven’t, really, since he’s been the Jets’ coach. For years this coaching staff inflated how good they really were; it wasn’t until last season when they truly struggled to make something out of nothing.

Last year was torture. Up by three, the Jets had two opportunities deep in Patriots territory with less than 2:15 remaining to either add a score and seal the win, or leave little time and no timeouts for the Patriots to drive the field and force overtime. But receiver Stephen Hill dropped a wide-open pass at the 12-yard line, and then receiver Jeremy Kerley slipped on a route beyond the first-down marker, forcing Sanchez to take a sack. That latter really hurt. A first down conversion would have left the Patriots with almost no time to take the game to overtime, but Stephen Gostkowski kicked a 48-yard field goal to cap a six-play, 54-yard drive and force OT as time expired. In overtime, the Jets held the Patriots to a field goal and were driving when guard Brandon Moore whiffed on a pass block, and Sanchez didn’t secure the ball on a sack, leading to a game-ending fumble.

Jets QB Geno Smith threw three interceptions, this one to Alfonso Dennard in the fourth quarter, and finished with a 27.6 rating. - (Jared Wickerham/Getty Images)

On Thursday night, the Jets had five possessions to either tie or take the lead with the Patriots leading 13-10, and went punt, interception, punt, interception and interception under an avalanche of dropped passes and poor throws by Smith.

“We’ve got to hang onto the football,” Ryan said Thursday night. “What you are paid to do is catch the football, and obviously we have to do a better job of that.”

He might as well have thrown in staying on your feet, blocking the guy in front of you and not throwing the ball to your opponent. All are part of the job descriptions that Jets players have increasingly failed at. Two games. Two times that Jets coaches put their players in position to stage a big-time upset over a hated division rival. Twice, Ryan and his staff were let down by players who failed to execute the basic elements of football. On Thursday night, Ryan didn’t say it outright but his defeated look conveyed the thought: What more can we as coaches do?

He’s right. Whatever you think is going on with the Jets, whatever your perceptions are, it has nothing to do with the coaches and the current personnel department. The players, right now and last season, are/were not good enough and failed to execute. And that’s on the previous general manager, Mike Tannenbaum, and his personnel staff. Sure, they got the Jets to the AFC Championship game in 2009 and ’10, and they should be commended for that. But they also allowed the Jets to get old and slow in too many spots too quickly. Many of them lost their jobs because of that, and now it’s Idzik’s job to rebuild the roster. He’s off to a good start, but it’s not going to happen overnight—especially with the cap jail the previous administration put the Jets in. And anyone who pretends that change should happen instantly has played too much fantasy football, because that thinking isn’t grounded in reality.

The Jets have a solid offensive line. Wideouts Santonio Holmes (when not pouting) and Kerley (when not injured) are good offensive pieces. They have a potentially outstanding young defensive line with Muhammad Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, Damon Harrison and Kenrick Ellis. Inside linebackers David Harris and Demario Davis are very good. Antonio Cromartie is a good cornerback, and there are a couple more promising players in the secondary.

But that’s it. The running backs and outside linebackers are average at best. There aren’t enough weapons. Even if Sanchez were healthy, he’d still be a below-average QB who might seem better than that because of how green Smith is. Those positions will be improved or overhauled next year, and the Jets will be on better footing.

The media-driven soap opera will tell you Ryan has little chance of seeing that come to fruition. Their appearances the past two seasons at Gillette Stadium, and what actually transpired between the white lines, should tell you that’s not reality.

INTRODUCING A NEW PASS-RUSH STAT*

One of biggest indicators of success for NFL defensive coaches is the ability to affect the quarterback.

Sure, that means sacks, which are an official NFL statistic. And quarterback hits, which are also tallied in press boxes. But affecting the quarterback, making him feel pressure, has several other factors, most of which aren’t officially tallied (though NFL teams do them internally).

*NAME THAT STAT

What should we call our new pass-rush statistic? Give us your suggestion on Twitter at #themmqbpassrush and we may use it.

We at The MMQB thought long and hard about finding a better way to evaluate quarterback pressure, both from individual and team standpoints. We’ve developed our own formula, which we think will highlight players who aren’t getting the glory stats (sacks) but are still affecting the quarterback just as much.

To be up front about it: This formula is far from a finished product. There could be tweaks along the way, and we welcome any feedback you might have.

The two statistics that we’ll be tabulating are sack assists and drawn holds. The latter is self-explanatory. Pass rushers are sometimes held by offensive lineman before they can sack the quarterback. Those plays aren’t official plays for the NFL. But they can be nearly as damaging. It’s a 10-yard foul, although there is no loss of down.

A sack assist is given to a player who allows a teammate sack to get a sack. You see it all the time. One player comes flying at a quarterback, causing him to bolt, and the QB winds up in the arms of a different defender. Sometimes the sacker didn’t do very much, yet he still gets credit for the sack. The player who actually caused the sack gets nothing. We’re going to change that.

Here’s how the formula works.

Sacks

Because not all sacks are created equally, we have divided up sacks into three categories: solo, assisted and easy.

Solo sack (1.25 points): For the player who beats a blocker and gets the sack on his own. These are the real sack masters; they should be rewarded for their standout individual effort.

Assisted sack (.75 points): Given to the player who officially receives a sack but had help from a teammate in taking the quarterback down.

Easy sack (.75 points): An official sack that falls into one of the following categories: coverage sack (quarterback held the ball longer than 3.3 seconds because the coverage was so good); unblocked, usually because of a schemed blitz; offensive miscue, such as the quarterback tripping after getting stepped on by an offensive lineman; or garbage-time sack, which we have defined as a sack when the offense is trailing by more than two scores with four minutes or less remaining in the game.

Sack assist (.5 points): As described above, this is when a player aids in the sacking of a quarterback. The official sacker will get an “assisted” or “easy” sack (.75 points), and the disrupter gets a “sack assist.”

Disruptions

These three categories—drawn holds, hurries and hits—are not official statistics, but they’re extremely important. A team can have zero sacks, but if they accumulate hurries or hits, they’re making life extremely uncomfortable for a quarterback. The hurries and hits were shared with us by our friends at ProFootballFocus.com. Our hits and hurries include plays wiped out by penalty.

Drawn hold (.75 points): The player who draws a holding penalty on a pass play. Only tabulated if the penalty results in a “no play.” If there is holding on a sack and the sack counts, there is no drawn hold—although that player could get a sack assist.

Hurry (.5 points): When the actions of a defender causes the quarterback to alter his throw or footwork. This is what defenses call “moving a quarterback off his spot.”

Hit (.5 points): Recorded after or as the quarterback releases a pass and goes to the ground as a result of contact with a defender.

Once the film is graded, we come up with Pressure Points. We feel this is a much better way to evaluate what kind of quarterback pressure a player or team is generating. We will divide the performances by edge rushers (ends and outside linebackers), interior rushers (tackles and inside linebackers) and by team. Individually, we will handout two awards.

[Larz]

wait

 

coaches don't tell the players to make mistakes ?

 

ground breaking stuff here

[Irish Jet]

Couldn't agree more with the article.

 

We will fire Rex, and we'll lose our greatest asset when we do. We'll be a basement team for quite a while without him.

[T0mShane]

YAAAAWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[sourceworx]

Couldn't agree more with the article.

We will fire Rex, and we'll lose our greatest asset when we do. We'll be a basement team for quite a while without him.

+10000000

[Il Mostro]

You cray.

[Greenseed4]

How you goina write an article called, "Monday Morning QuarterBack" on a Friday?!

[Smashmouth]

But Wait I was under the Impression Brady made all WR's in the world look great.

 

Before Moss  and Welker Brady was a 20=30 TD guy

 

Enter Moss and Welker and Brady throws 50 TD's and is a high 30's low 40's TD guy

 

Moss Leaves Bradys numbers take a slight hit Wleker Leaves and they take an even bigger hit;

 

I wonder what happened to the philosophy that Great QB's can make anyone around them great ?? Or is this just a Jets excuse because our WR's have sucked for years therefore our QB's have sucked as well/ not to mention the lack of any type of pass receiving threat out of the backfield or a TE with balls or in last years case any TE at all.

[roscoeword]

But Wait I was under the Impression Brady made all WR's in the world look great.

 

Before Moss  and Welker Brady was a 20=30 TD guy

 

Enter Moss and Welker and Brady throws 50 TD's and is a high 30's low 40's TD guy

 

Moss Leaves Bradys numbers take a slight hit Wleker Leaves and they take an even bigger hit;

 

I wonder what happened to the philosophy that Great QB's can make anyone around them great ?? Or is this just a Jets excuse because our WR's have sucked for years therefore our QB's have sucked as well/ not to mention the lack of any type of pass receiving threat out of the backfield or a TE with balls or in last years case any TE at all.

The difference is  - the receivers he has now are not even adequate. Maybe worse than ours. If he has half decent receivers, he excells. When Amedola (whatever his name is) was there, he was completing tons of passes as usual.

[T0mShane]

The perception is that the Jets are a mess. This is the undeniable reality about the Jets: Rex Ryan and his staff can flat-out coach.

They can flat-out coach defense.

The other reason why Ryan was so despondent? This is the second straight season in which Ryan and his coaches took an undermanned and outclassed team to Gillette as double-digit underdogs, with Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith at quarterback, and put together a tremendous game plan, only to see the players fail to execute in crucial spots and lose by three points each time.

Coaching now has nothing to do with how multiple players perform in a game? If that's the case, let's give Rich Kotite his job back because, after all, it was the players who screwed those games up.

This is where perception meets reality.

Greg Bedard is a Patriots beat writer. Instead of writing that the Patriots and Brady stunk, and that Belichick f*cked his team by not investing in the receiver position, he'll instead point to how "scrappy" and well-coached the Jets are. Question for Bedard: doesn't this also make the Bills scrappy and well-coached? The Pats will apparently be playing against scrappy, well-coached teams all year because they can't score.

The perception of the Jets is that they are a mess.

I'm not sure how anyone would come to that conclusion.

You have an owner, Woody Johnson, who doesn’t know which end is up on a football (OK, that part is true).

There is no "end" of a football that is objectively "up." It is a sphere.

[T0mShane]

There’s a new general manager, John Idzik, who had coach Rex Ryan forced upon him and is counting the days until he can install his own coach. You’ve heard there’s a disconnect between the kind of players Ryan needs to win, and the kind of players Idzik has given him. And that Ryan ultimately doomed himself by inserting Sanchez into the fourth quarter of an exhibition game, only to suffer a potentially season-ending shoulder injury.

Silly narrative! Where is anyone "hearing" this, Greg?

As the narrative goes, Ryan is a dead coach walking.

Narratives and conventional wisdom are so dumb!

But the great thing about football is that perception doesn’t matter and reality plays out on the field for all to see. And this is the undeniable reality about the Jets: Ryan and his staff can flat-out coach.

They can flat out coach defense*.

They just don’t have enough players yet. And haven’t, really, since he’s been the Jets’ coach.

This is such a weird coincidence.

For years this coaching staff inflated how good they really were; it wasn’t until last season when they truly struggled to make something out of nothing.

In four offseasons, the coaching staff produced a roster full of "nothing." This is a good argument you're stringing together here, Greg.

Last year was torture. Up by three, the Jets had two opportunities deep in Patriots territory with less than 2:15 remaining to either add a score and seal the win, or leave little time and no timeouts for the Patriots to drive the field and force overtime. But receiver Stephen Hill dropped a wide-open pass at the 12-yard line, and then receiver Jeremy Kerley slipped on a route beyond the first-down marker, forcing Sanchez to take a sack. That latter really hurt. A first down conversion would have left the Patriots with almost no time to take the game to overtime, but Stephen Gostkowski kicked a 48-yard field goal to cap a six-play, 54-yard drive and force OT as time expired. In overtime, the Jets held the Patriots to a field goal and were driving when guard Brandon Moore whiffed on a pass block, and Sanchez didn’t secure the ball on a sack, leading to a game-ending fumble.

That was a tough loss, indeed. If only the Jets and their awesome coaching staff had another crack at the Patriots last year. I'll be Sanchez wouldn't fumble in a hotly-contested rematch because the coaches can flat-out coach.

On Thursday night, the Jets had five possessions to either tie or take the lead with the Patriots leading 13-10, and went punt, interception, punt, interception and interception under an avalanche of dropped passes and poor throws by Smith.

In New York, we call that a "Genolanche."

The week prior, all Buffalo had to do was run some clock in the fourth quarter and they would have beat the healthier Pats outright, and not in a rainstorm. The Bills are coached by the guy who was going to get fired from Syracuse U after this season.

[T0mShane]

“We’ve got to hang onto the football,” Ryan said Thursday night. “What you are paid to do is catch the football, and obviously we have to do a better job of that.”

Four years to find a receiver and the best you came up with was Holmes at $9 mil a year.

He might as well have thrown in staying on your feet, blocking the guy in front of you and not throwing the ball to your opponent. All are part of the job descriptions that Jets players have increasingly failed at. Two games. Two times that Jets coaches put their players in position to stage a big-time upset over a hated division rival. Twice, Ryan and his staff were let down by players who failed to execute the basic elements of football.

If only there was some way to instill into a group of players an awareness of "the basic elements of football." Maybe there's a Basic Elements Of Football Tree that the Jets players could go to for guidance. Or a Basic Elements Of Football version of the Dhali Lama.

On Thursday night, Ryan didn’t say it outright but his defeated look conveyed the thought: What more can we as coaches do?

What more can you do, Rex? What more? What more? How do all these coaches win these Super Bowls around me? What more did they do that you're not doing? What is this grand, elusive mystery?

He’s right. Whatever you think is going on with the Jets, whatever your perceptions are, it has nothing to do with the coaches and the current personnel department.

Hahahahaaha. Oh, Greg, you're aware that the current coaches were around last year, too, yes? And the year before? Were they complicit then, and then they magically became un-complicit when Tannenbaum was fired? Was that a Get Oit Of Sucking Free Card?

The players, right now and last season, are/were not good enough and failed to execute. And that’s on the previous general manager, Mike Tannenbaum, and his personnel staff.

Players failing to execute is on the GM now.

Sure, they got the Jets to the AFC Championship game in 2009 and ’10, and they should be commended for that.

They were good then! But then they weren't good! Poor Rex! Tannenbaum got less good!

But they also allowed the Jets to get old and slow in too many spots too quickly. Many of them lost their jobs because of that...

They gave huge money to Ryan faves Santonio Holmes, Bart Scott, David Harris, Antonio Cromartie, and Mark Sanchez. They've had seven top-100 draft picks over the last four years. Five of them were used on defensive players. The other two were Stephen Hill and Vlad Ducasse. The coach is a defensive coordinator who got what he wanted 5 out of 7 times.

and now it’s Idzik’s job to rebuild the roster. He’s off to a good start, but it’s not going to happen overnight—especially with the cap jail the previous administration put the Jets in. And anyone who pretends that change should happen instantly has played too much fantasy football, because that thinking isn’t grounded in reality.

The Jets have a solid offensive line. Wideouts Santonio Holmes (when not pouting) and Kerley (when not injured) are good offensive pieces. They have a potentially outstanding young defensive line with Muhammad Wilkerson, Sheldon Richardson, Damon Harrison and Kenrick Ellis. Inside linebackers David Harris and Demario Davis are very good. Antonio Cromartie is a good cornerback, and there are a couple more promising players in the secondary.

All except for two of those players were brought in by the eeeevil previous administration.

But that’s it. The running backs and outside linebackers are average at best. There aren’t enough weapons. Even if Sanchez were healthy, he’d still be a below-average QB who might seem better than that because of how green Smith is. Those positions will be improved or overhauled next year, and the Jets will be on better footing.

The media-driven soap opera will tell you Ryan has little chance of seeing that come to fruition. Their appearances the past two seasons at Gillette Stadium, and what actually transpired between the white lines, should tell you that’s...

So Bedard's whole point is that in two games against the Pats at Gilette Field, the team came close, so that means that Rex is a good coach, even though they lost twice. Rex is 1-5 at Gilette in his career (granted, the one win was the playoff victory), and is 3-7 overall against his main division rival. In those seven losses, the average margin of defeat was ~20 points. You want to know what good coaching looks like? The Jets play the Pats twice a year, and the first matchup is always close (average differential: ~8 points). But in the regular season rematch, Belichick is 4-0 and has beaten Rex by scores of 31-14, 45-3, 37-16, and 49-19. That's what coaching looks like. So, thanks Greg for patting the Jets on the head for their lil' moral victories, and thanks for fellating Good Ol' Boy Rex for Peter King's Pats Blog, but your thesis--Man, it must take some great coaching to stay with Belichick and Aaron Dobson and Kenbrell Thompkins!--is both condescending and obtuse. GFY.

[Larz]

you are the multi quote master, I am humbled in your presence

[stoicsentry]

Agree with this article, it will be a damn shame if Rex takes the axe for Tanny's legacy. We've got the coach we need, just need the personnel now.

[Lizard King]

Four years to find a receiver and the best you came up with was Holmes at $9 mil a year.

If only there was some way to instill into a group of players an awareness of "the basic elements of football." Maybe there's a Basic Elements Of Football Tree that the Jets players could go to for guidance. Or a Basic Elements Of Football version of the Dhali Lama.

What more can you do, Rex? What more? What more? How do all these coaches win these Super Bowls around me? What more did they do that you're not doing? What is this grand, elusive mystery?

Hahahahaaha. Oh, Greg, you're aware that the current coaches were around last year, too, yes? And the year before? Were they complicit then, and then they magically became un-complicit when Tannenbaum was fired? Was that a Get Oit Of Sucking Free Card?

Players failing to execute is on the GM now.

They were good then! But then they weren't good! Poor Rex! Tannenbaum got less good!

They gave huge money to Ryan faves Santonio Holmes, Bart Scott, David Harris, Antonio Cromartie, and Mark Sanchez. They've had seven top-100 draft picks over the last four years. Five of them were used on defensive players. The other two were Stephen Hill and Vlad Ducasse. The coach is a defensive coordinator who got what he wanted 5 out of 7 times.

All except for two of those players were brought in by the eeeevil previous administration.

So Bedard's whole point is that in two games against the Pats at Gilette Field, the team came close, so that means that Rex is a good coach, even though they lost twice. Rex is 1-5 at Gilette in his career (granted, the one win was the playoff victory), and is 3-7 overall against his main division rival. In those seven losses, the average margin of defeat was ~20 points. You want to know what good coaching looks like? The Jets play the Pats twice a year, and the first matchup is always close (average differential: ~8 points). But in the regular season rematch, Belichick is 4-0 and has beaten Rex by scores of 31-14, 45-3, 37-16, and 49-19. That's what coaching looks like. So, thanks Greg for patting the Jets on the head for their lil' moral victories, and thanks for fellating Good Ol' Boy Rex for Peter King's Pats Blog, but your thesis--Man, it must take some great coaching to stay with Belichick and Aaron Dobson and Kenbrell Thompkins!--is both condescending and obtuse. GFY.

Fantastic. I am amazed and humbled

[MexiRoll6]

“We’ve got to hang onto the football,” Ryan said Thursday night. “What you are paid to do is catch the football, and obviously we have to do a better job of that.”
And yet Clyde Gates, as of this writing is STILL a New York Jet which boggles the mind. Rex may be able to 'flat out coach' which I find highly debatable, but HE doesn't know personnel from personal. He should take it personal that his personnel cannot catch an oblong spheroid with any regularity. The fact that Rex KEEPS them around when clearly they do not deserve that honor is what will cost him his job. He does not know, nor seem to CARE what goes on outside of his defense.

[Thor99]

“We’ve got to hang onto the football,” Ryan said Thursday night. “What you are paid to do is catch the football, and obviously we have to do a better job of that.”

And yet Clyde Gates, as of this writing is STILL a New York Jet which boggles the mind. Rex may be able to 'flat out coach' which I find highly debatable, but HE doesn't know personnel from personal. He should take it personal that his personnel cannot catch an oblong spheroid with any regularity. The fact that Rex KEEPS them around when clearly they do not deserve that honor is what will cost him his job. He does not know, nor seem to CARE what goes on outside of his defense.

 

I'm not really sure, how do you feel about Rex?  Absolutely none of your posts are about him.

[Bugg]

So we are to believe Wrecks spent all of March and April on a tour of South East Asia's foot fetish hotspots instead of demanding defensive player after defensive player be chosen spare King Ugly Dukie-asse and Dropsy Hill. He's totally blameless and has nothing to do with personnel. Also the idea you can win 13-10 is still plausible. Got it.

[MexiRoll6]

Couldn't agree more with the article.

 

We will fire Rex, and we'll lose our greatest asset when we do. We'll be a basement team for quite a while without him.

When the Jets fire Rex it will be a classic "addition by subtraction" move and the Jets will be better for it. Half a HC is the same as NO HEAD COACH, and Rex is the most obvious half HC there is. He came to the post game interview and DID NOT KNOW how many dropped balls the Jets WR'S had, although there are guys with stats readily available EVERYWHERE you look at an NFL game. Rex doesn't know that yet, it is only his FIFTH season.  Next year he will figure out how and when to call challenges and timeouts.

[MexiRoll6]

I'm not really sure, how do you feel about Rex?  Absolutely none of your posts are about him.

LOL. We have a Rex apologist in the house. I believe that you are in the vast MINORITY.

[Thor99]

LOL. We have a Rex apologist in the house. I believe that you are in the vast MINORITY.

 

What's my race have to do with it?

 

I'm not a Rex apologist, I'm not very happy with him right now.  However, when every one of your posts say the same exact thing, it gets a little tiring.

[CTM]

But Wait I was under the Impression Brady made all WR's in the world look great.

 

Before Moss  and Welker Brady was a 20=30 TD guy

 

Enter Moss and Welker and Brady throws 50 TD's and is a high 30's low 40's TD guy

 

Moss Leaves Bradys numbers take a slight hit Wleker Leaves and they take an even bigger hit;

 

I wonder what happened to the philosophy that Great QB's can make anyone around them great ?? Or is this just a Jets excuse because our WR's have sucked for years therefore our QB's have sucked as well/ not to mention the lack of any type of pass receiving threat out of the backfield or a TE with balls or in last years case any TE at all.

 

 

why don't we wait to see where Brady ends up?

[flgreen]

LOL. We have a Rex apologist in the house. I believe that you are in the vast MINORITY.

 

Yep, once Marty Mornhinweg takes over the Jets will be on fire

[bitonti]

the Jets just held the Pats to 13 points in their house, fire Rex. 

[ZachEY]

wait

 

coaches don't tell the players to make mistakes ?

 

ground breaking stuff here

 

It's hilarious.  While Schotty may not have been good at his job, people also act like he, and other coaches, somehow forgot to tell Sanchez to try to hold on to the football.  And of course, all the other similar arguments.

[Bugg]

the Jets just held the Pats to 13 points in their house, fire Rex.

So a bad team can get an okay team on a rainy night to play down to their level is grounds for celebration. Wrecks has no other gear.That kind of approach will make the stats look good(5th ranked agaisnt the pass!) may be even be respectable in the Won/Loss record. And it's not winning a damn thing in the NFL of 2013. Heck, I just watched 2 good teams pretty much not bother to run the ball and several times today. Simply the things Wrecks values, defense and a running game, are afterthoughts for a good team.

The guy is a beeper salesman in an iphone world.

[Matt39]

So a bad team can get an okay team on a rainy night to play down to their level is grounds for celebration. Wrecks has no other gear.That kind of approach will make the stats look good(5th ranked agaisnt the pass!) may be even be respectable in the Won/Loss record. And it's not winning a damn thing in the NFL of 2013. Heck, I just watched 2 good teams pretty much not bother to run the ball and several times today. Simply the things Wrecks values, defense and a running game, are afterthoughts for a good team.

The guy is a beeper salesman in an iphone world.

 

Jets defense is good. Pats offense is bad. The Jets offense is awful. 

[Matt39]

Biggest question for this organization going forward is if Idzik views Rex as a big enough asset to keep around while he tries to fix the offense.

[pedro55]

So a bad team can get an okay team on a rainy night to play down to their level is grounds for celebration. Wrecks has no other gear.That kind of approach will make the stats look good(5th ranked agaisnt the pass!) may be even be respectable in the Won/Loss record. And it's not winning a damn thing in the NFL of 2013. Heck, I just watched 2 good teams pretty much not bother to run the ball and several times today. Simply the things Wrecks values, defense and a running game, are afterthoughts for a good team.

The guy is a beeper salesman in an iphone world.

 

  I also watched a team run the ball down the throat of a team everybody thought was the best in the NFL today.

[hollywood nosebleed]

I know Ryan isn't the perfect coach, but if we had a top 15 QB we would have a chance to win every year. Ryan is passionate about the Jets and we finally have a decent offensive coordinator. Now if we can just develop or sign a decent QB we'd be set.

[Bugg]

I also watched a team run the ball down the throat of a team everybody thought was the best in the NFL today.

And it produced all of 10 points.And not sure anyone thinks much of the Pats' defense anyway.

[Joe Jets fan]

Silly narrative! Where is anyone "hearing" this, Greg?

Narratives and conventional wisdom are so dumb!

They can flat out coach defense*.

This is such a weird coincidence.

In four offseasons, the coaching staff produced a roster full of "nothing." This is a good argument you're stringing together here, Greg.

That was a tough loss, indeed. If only the Jets and their awesome coaching staff had another crack at the Patriots last year. I'll be Sanchez wouldn't fumble in a hotly-contested rematch because the coaches can flat-out coach.

In New York, we call that a "Genolanche."

The week prior, all Buffalo had to do was run some clock in the fourth quarter and they would have beat the healthier Pats outright, and not in a rainstorm. The Bills are coached by the guy who was going to get fired from Syracuse U after this season.

Where would you ever get the idea he was going to get fired? SU loved him. He could have coached there as long as he wanted to. Stop making things up, u sound like a Jets beat writer.

[MexiRoll6]

Agree with this article, it will be a damn shame if Rex takes the axe for Tanny's legacy. We've got the coach we need, just need the personnel now.

How can you make a statement like that when Rex and Tanny were connected at the hip on ALL decisions concerning personnel, draft picks, FA signings all the way down the line. It boggles my mind that there are Jets fans out there that actually BELIEVE that Rex Ryan is a good HC. Nobody underachieves like the NY Jets. We go into Foxboro to face a seriously depleted Patriots team and we come away with a 13-10 LOSS as WR's drop pass after pass and fumble like they were never taught how to properly tuck away the football. Dude this is ALL coaching. If a guy can't catch the ball he shouldn't be on the field should he? And who makes that decision....I'll give you a clue....Rex. 

[MexiRoll6]

What's my race have to do with it?

 

I'm not a Rex apologist, I'm not very happy with him right now.  However, when every one of your posts say the same exact thing, it gets a little tiring.

So don't read them because I am going to say the same thing until someone, somewhere (John Idzik are you listening) gets rid of the fraud masquerading as a NFL head coach. There are probably more than one of those but the only one I am concerned with is Rex Ryan. Baltimore didn't want him and he had coached there for three years under Billick. They picked John Harbaugh and told Rex to get lost....apparently the Ravens organization still has not recovered from that blunder eh?

[Thor99]

So don't read them because I am going to say the same thing until someone, somewhere (John Idzik are you listening) gets rid of the fraud masquerading as a NFL head coach. There are probably more than one of those but the only one I am concerned with is Rex Ryan. Baltimore didn't want him and he had coached there for three years under Billick. They picked John Harbaugh and told Rex to get lost....apparently the Ravens organization still has not recovered from that blunder eh?

If you think Idzik gives a flying monkey sh*t what some knucklehead named Mexiroll6 has to say, you're more out of your mind than I thought.