TampaJet Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Anyone hear anything about Powell being injured? Ivory was solid, but i dont remember seeing Powell on the field at all in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I was wondering the same.....he mustve gotten hurt cause they stopped using him totally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Just a guess, but I suspect Powell pulled a hammie. He had 3 rushes for 6 yards, all in the first quarter. Ivory, even though he was OK had 34 rushes for 104 yards. Nothing that would have kept Powell off the field. 3.1 per rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Rex in the presser never alluded to any injury and just said that they were going to continue to go with the hot hand in Ivory, but it certainly would seem Powell was banged up as they had Tbo taking a number of handoffs in critical situations as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Ivory is better and should get the ball more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Ivory is better and should get the ball more No. He's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 No. He's not. Its not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Its not even close. You're right. Powell is much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 You're right. Powell is much better. Power, quickness and making people miss at the second level...Ivory offers more. I know you dont see many of those guys at ND ...but..you need that type of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Power, quickness and making people miss at the second level...Ivory offers more. I know you dont see many of those guys at ND ...but..you need that type of talent. I'm not sure what ND has to do with this at all, you're just taking an unnecessary cheap shot because you're wrong. Powell is just as powerful, just as quick an actually gets to the second level. Ivory hardly ever does, as indicated by his ypc average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Power, quickness and making people miss at the second level...Ivory offers more. I know you dont see many of those guys at ND ...but..you need that type of talent. Yeah because getting 100 yards on 34 Carries today with half the Pats defense out showed what exactly? It's a nice stat to kill a clock and keep the ball, but that's Shonne Greene type of numbers and nobody thought much of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Yeah because getting 100 yards on 34 Carries today with half the Pats defense out showed what exactly? It's a nice stat to kill a clock and keep the ball, but that's Shonne Greene type of numbers and nobody thought much of him. Our interior run blocking is terrible. Ivory has the ability to score every time he touches it...not sure what you guys expect. I like Powell too but we dont have a Barry Sanders here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Yeah because getting 100 yards on 34 Carries today with half the Pats defense out showed what exactly? It's a nice stat to kill a clock and keep the ball, but that's Shonne Greene type of numbers and nobody thought much of him. I'm not sure if you've seen the Pats defense play since Wilfork went out, but they hardly lose a beat. Mayo was actually playing at a negative grade according to PFF and hightower and collins are more than capable of picking up the slack; not to mention, Spikes might be the best run-stopping ILB in the entire NFL. Guy has made about 15 stops at or behind the line of scrimmage over the last few weeks. The way they struggle is that those guys can't cover for sh*t and if we could have utilized the Cumberland mistmatch a bit more, it would have been quite evident. What Ivory did, especially on a lot of guaranteed run-downs was pretty awesome. I love powell as much as anyone here, but Ivory is the more gifted runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 If Ivory was better than Powell, why is Powell the starter? If Ivory was so good, why did the Saints let him go for a 4th? Come on guys, he's a bruiser and not much more. He's not even a three down back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 If Ivory was better than Powell, why is Powell the starter? If Ivory was so good, why did the Saints let him go for a 4th? Come on guys, he's a bruiser and not much more. He's not even a three down back. Why didnt Powell play today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 If Ivory was better than Powell, why is Powell the starter? If Ivory was so good, why did the Saints let him go for a 4th? 1. Should maybe have stated Powell was the starter. 2. I guess they figured they didnt need to keep and pay Sproles, Ingram, Thomas, and Ivory. Makes sense to me. I love Powell too - but Ivory will get us more points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Ivory has tons of upside. Bilal is reliable but he can't run people over and he doesn't have Ivory's speed. He needs to be a focal point of this offense until he gets himself hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Why didnt Powell play today? He did. He obviously was injured or something. Have Ivory out there eliminates the threat of having a pass catching back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 Powell is who I thought he would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stugotz81 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Up to this point, Powell has shown he is the better back. Not sure where he disappeared to today but ivory still got the job done. What frustrated me thou with Ivory is he clearly likes contact and loses out on extra yardage bc of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackBurton Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Powell was nursing a shoulder injury all week so it might have gave him some problems running in between the tackles. Chris Ivory was a beast today, just look at the final game winning drive for the Jets. He had the ball the entire drive http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=331020020&period=5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Powell was nursing a shoulder injury all week so it might have gave him some problems running in between the tackles. Chris Ivory was a beast today, just look at the final game winning drive for the Jets. He had the ball the entire drive http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=331020020&period=5 +1 I was just going to post this. Powell hurt his neck or shoulder against the Steelers. He practice all week, but with Ivory running okay there wasn't much reason to go back and Powell wasn't getting much done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Powell had a banged up shoulder from the Pitt game, that's why Ivory had the brunt of the carries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I'm not sure what ND has to do with this at all, you're just taking an unnecessary cheap shot because you're wrong. Powell is just as powerful, just as quick an actually gets to the second level. Ivory hardly ever does, as indicated by his ypc average. I like Powell but lets be honest here he's not nearly as powerful and he's not as quick. Only rap I have on Ivory is when he gets to the second level sometimes he does not try an make someone miss he looks like he's attracted by the contact. I think he can get more yards if he does not always stick his head in there. The guy simply loves contact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Up to this point, Powell has shown he is the better back. Not sure where he disappeared to today but ivory still got the job done. What frustrated me thou with Ivory is he clearly likes contact and loses out on extra yardage bc of it. This. You guys are all saying Ivory is so great and gets us points... what points has he gotten us so far? I feel Powell gets at least a yard more on the same runs. Ivory falls down too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Interior run blocking has got to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Powell half limped off the field and was getting his leg rubbed down on the sideline. It looked like a hammy, but it just could have been tight and they went with the hot hand to be careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stugotz81 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I like Ivory n all, but after watching Powell the first 6 weeks, I cant help but think how much more he would have done with all those carries Ivory got.....especially the ones where Ivory got to the second level and just put his head down to try n run thru the guy. Powell would have ran by them easily showing his past success so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roscoeword Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Powell was also improving every week. His confidence and insintcts were kicking in and he was starting to show he can break one. Better in the open field. Like him more than Ivory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Interior run blocking has got to improve. It's not all the blocking. Teams are putting a lot of players in the box and challenging Smith to throw. Particularly in the red zone where they have the back of the endzone to prevent a long bomb. That will stop when Smith stops throwing picks in the red zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Ivory is a poor mans version of Marion Barber (Jr, not the ex Jet Marion Barber Sr) BTW is Marvin Powell Bilals father? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Ivory is better and should get the ball more Really? Not so sure about that. Powell seems to be much more versatile with a lot more wiggle. Ivory is a dancer. Yeah, he runs violent once he gets a had of steam but he's a dancer. Lots of wasted steps with this guy and often trips over his own feet. He cant make people miss at all, he can break tackles but he certainly doesnt make anyone miss with moves. If there is nothing there, he's not making anything the way Powell can. That and he looks like someone is throwing a grenade to him when the ball goes his way in the air. Clueless and lost out of the backfield. Plus, he makes me nervous as hell the way he holds the ball battling for extra yards that he rarely gets. For someone who hates Trent Richardson and hated Shonn Greene, I'm not sure what you're seeing with Ivory. He's really not impressive in the slightest bit. He had a couple of nice bounces outside yesterday but that was it. He's a take what the line gives you type back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Really? Not so sure about that. Powell seems to be much more versatile with a lot more wiggle. Ivory is a dancer. Yeah, he runs violent once he gets a had of steam but he's a dancer. Lots of wasted steps with this guy and often trips over his own feet. He cant make people miss at all, he can break tackles but he certainly doesnt make anyone miss with moves. If there is nothing there, he's not making anything the way Powell can. That and he looks like someone is throwing a grenade to him when the ball goes his way in the air. Clueless and lost out of the backfield. Plus, he makes me nervous as hell the way he holds the ball battling for extra yards that he rarely gets. For someone who hates Trent Richardson and hated Shonn Greene, I'm not sure what you're seeing with Ivory. He's really not impressive in the slightest bit. He had a couple of nice bounces outside yesterday but that was it. He's a take what the line gives you type back. Every linemen graded negatively in the run game yesterday. Pull up his Saints games, the guy clearly has ability. He's got a burst Powell just doesnt have.... He'll get going if he continues to get the rock. Trent Richardson is a bust. He's just not a good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Every linemen graded negatively in the run game yesterday. Pull up his Saints games, the guy clearly has ability. He's got a burst Powell just doesnt have.... He'll get going if he continues to get the rock. Trent Richardson is a bust. He's just not a good player. Khiry Robinson is the new Ivory down there. Did the same thing that Ivory did. Came in, went mental, just like every Saints RB. I dont put a lot of stock into what he did on a high powered offense like that. Ivory has been very unimpressive IMO. He reminds me of Trent Richardson which I why I'm shocked at your admiration for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Khiry Robinson is the new Ivory down there. Did the same thing that Ivory did. Came in, went mental, just like every Saints RB. I dont put a lot of stock into what he did on a high powered offense like that. Ivory has been very unimpressive IMO. He reminds me of Trent Richardson which I why I'm shocked at your admiration for him Ivory's barely gotten the ball since yesterdays game. I don't think he's all world, but as an early down back I prefer him over Powell. He's gets yards after contact and has enough wiggle to make people miss. The run blocking yesterday was poor and has been for most of the season. He's shown he can score from everywhere on the field too. 3rd down, with Goodson gone...Powell's the guy. Im sure it will be more rotational going forward anyways. Robinson's had one good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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