shawn306 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24131793/photo-video-jon-lester-may-have-doctored-the-ball-in-game-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanDoug Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 I didn't know Belichik also coached the Red Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/10/24/did-jon-lester-doctor-ball-you-can-look-at-the-data-theres-nothing-there/ Did Jon Lester doctor the ball? ‘You can look at the data. There’s nothing there.’ 10.24.13 at 12:22 pm ET By Alex Speier The pictures are intriguing, albeit grainy in the fashion of “documentation” surrounding the existence of Bigfoot: What is the discoloration on the thumb of Jon Lester‘s glove? Why is it a glowing green? Is it nuclear waste or some other radioactive substance that gave the pitcher superpowers in Game 1 of the World Series? Or perhaps Vaseline to provide his pitches with extraordinary movement? A sticky substance to improve grip and command? A well-designed, phosphorescent placebo meant to inspire the pitcher to the illusion of heightened powers without actually doing anything to impact his ability to pitch? For now, the Zapruder-quality images — some of which are found here, including the picture that a Cardinals minor leaguer tweeted out during Game 1 of the World Series on Thursday night — will do little to clarify what Lester did or did not do to the ball. Major League Baseball said the video was insufficient to suggest evidence of cheating while noting that the Cardinals didn’t complain and the umpires didn’t detect any shenanigans. But what about the actual pitches? Did anything about the way that Lester threw suggest an advantage gleaned from an illegal substance? To Dan Brooks, the answer is very straightforward: No. Brooks, a neuroscientist at Brown University who runs the indispensable BrooksBaseball.net (which compiles data about pitch type, movement, location and rotation to offer a detailed picture of pitching performances), suggested that the pitching data related to Lester’s dominant 7 2/3 shutout inning performance offered no evidence of the pitcher benefiting from cheating. “You can look at the data. There’s nothing there. There’s not going to be anything there. There’s nothing to look for. There’s no erratic movement. He threw more cutters last night than he has in a while, but he was facing a very right-hand dominated lineup,” said Brooks. “As far as, was there any weird erratic pattern? No.” Lester’s fastball averaged 93.6 mph and topped out at 95.7 mph with an average horizontal break of 7.95 inches and an average vertical break of 10.19 inches. His cutter averaged 89.2 mph and topped out at 91.5 mph, with an average horizontal break of 1.84 inches and an average vertical break of 5.18 inches. Those marks lined up fairly closely with Lester’s season averages, most notably, his performance throughout the second half. His fastball averaged 94.1 mph in the second half of the regular season with 6.65 inches of horizontal break and 9.75 inches of vertical break. His cutter averaged 90.3 mph with 1.26 inches of horizontal break and an average vertical break of 5.25 inches. In other words, what Lester did on Wednesday was very much in keeping with the performance he’d shown after the All-Star break. “There are reasons [putting a foreign substance on the ball] could do something, but I don’t know that the something it does is any more than the natural variation in pitching,” said Brooks, who noted that there is no objective data to detail the specific impact or benefit of doctoring the ball in different ways. “A cursory glance [at the data from the Game 1 start] suggests nothing is different. … There are some pitches down the middle of the plate. There aren’t any dead-center down the middle of the plate. He didn’t throw a no-hitter. The ball got hit plenty. It doesn’t really look objectively all that much different from any other outing.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Major League Baseball: no conclusions can be drawn from the Jon Lester video Craig Calcaterra Oct 24, 2013, 11:35 AM EDT 12 Comments Enough of a ruckus was raised by the video of Jon Lester floating around that Major League Baseball has issued a statement on the matter: “We cannot draw any conclusions from this video. There were no complaints from the Cardinals and the umpires never detected anything indicating a foreign substance throughout the game.” Silly baseball. Don’t they know in situations like this you’re supposed to jump to conclusions swiftly, not attempt to draw them. Total killjoys, the lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Jayson Stark@jaysonst56s Aaron Boone on Lester on Sportscenter: "This is not scuffing the ball....This is commonplace." All pitchers use pine tar to get better grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 Good article here: Jeff Passan@JeffPassan24m Here is everything you need to know about what was in Jon Lester's glove and why it's not a big deal: http://yhoo.it/H4CdcN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 If Carl is this desperate to find sources the refute it, the answer is, Yes, Lester was cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 If Carl is this desperate to find sources the refute it, the answer is, Yes, Lester was cheating. A lot of them do, from 2012: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/perez-comments-target-cards-pitchers/article_e9afb5f3-afcb-5832-8ca9-8ca8614df292.html Several veteran Cardinals starting pitchers admitted being familiar with mixing a foreign substance with resin to better grip the ball. Wainwright acknowledges at times using a mix of resin and sunscreen to enhance his grip. Just as significant, the combo applied to his pitching arm helps prevent sweat rolling onto his hand. "There's a difference in pine tar from oil and grease, things that make the ball sink, cut or do different stuff," he said. "That's different than doctoring a ball. If one of our pitchers gets a scuff on the side of a ball he can do all kinds of things with it. An emery board or something like that is totally different.'' Manager Mike Matheny declined comment on the matter but the team is among those believing the use of substance mixed with resin to better grip the ball is widespread if not universal. "If you're doing something to find a better grip, I don't have an issue with that," Cards pitcher Kyle Lohse said. "I don't think hitters would, either." Carpenter maintained "every single person at some point or time has tried something" to better grip the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 If Carl is this desperate to find sources the refute it, the answer is, Yes, Lester was cheating. He's not doctoring the ball, he's not getting more movement, he's just using it to get a grip. All pitchers do it. Is it technically against the rules, sure? But there is an unwritten rule about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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