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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2271514

Funny-no mention of Edwards or the Jets at all.

herm only ran the cover-2 when he first arrived - and it wasn't a true Tampa cover-2 it was a hybrid that he developed with Teddy Cotrell - essentially a 4-3 read and react with some cover-2 tendencies - a real piece of s--t. When the Jets ewre playing well it was because Teddy scrapped the whole thing, went back to modified 3-4 blitz packages. Now under donnie they run all different looks (4-3, 3-4, 5-2, 4-4 etc) and sometimes cover-2 in the secondary but it's mostly man back there.

they are not a true Tampa-2 team and really never were under Herm.

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The Cover 2 is a basic defensive formation. Simply put, it has the FS and SS in a deep zone, each covering a half of the field. All teams use it at various times.

Where Herman Edwards made it notorious was, when he got here in 2001, all he did was talk about it like it was this special defense they used only in Tampa Bay.

What Herm failed to realize (for 3 seasons) is that it makes it real easy for opposing offenses to call plays against when they know the CB's (who are already 10 yards off the LOS) have to cover the WR's, and the FS and SS have to keep everything in front of them ON EVERY SINGLE DOWN. Herm never threw a surprise formation, ever. This is why the Jets defense was so putrid against the run. It was only when Cottrell finally moved Garnes up out of the zone, that the Jets run defense improved (not much, but it did improve).

A FS has the instinct to cover sideline to sideline. The Cover 2 tells him not too. This is why you would always see a wide open reciever catch one in the end zone and the FS and SS (take your pick we've had about 6 of them since Herm took over) would be shaking there heads looking at each other and pointing "I thought you had him".

It worked in Tampa Bay because they had a fast, HOF linebacker (Brooks) and a HOF DT (Sapp). Those guys could make anybody's secondary, in any formation, look like aces.

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The Cover 2 is a basic defensive formation. Simply put, it has the FS and SS in a deep zone, each covering a half of the field. All teams use it at various times.

Where Herman Edwards made it notorious was, when he got here in 2001, all he did was talk about it like it was this special defense they used only in Tampa Bay.

What Herm failed to realize (for 3 seasons) is that it makes it real easy for opposing offenses to call plays against when they know the CB's (who are already 10 yards off the LOS) have to cover the WR's, and the FS and SS have to keep everything in front of them ON EVERY SINGLE DOWN. Herm never threw a surprise formation, ever. This is why the Jets defense was so putrid against the run. It was only when Cottrell finally moved Garnes up out of the zone, that the Jets run defense improved (not much, but it did improve).

A FS has the instinct to cover sideline to sideline. The Cover 2 tells him not too. This is why you would always see a wide open reciever catch one in the end zone and the FS and SS (take your pick we've had about 6 of them since Herm took over) would be shaking there heads looking at each other and pointing "I thought you had him".

It worked in Tampa Bay because they had a fast, HOF linebacker (Brooks) and a HOF DT (Sapp). Those guys could make anybody's secondary, in any formation, look like aces.

The cover 2 allows an intermediate seam in the space between the safeties and the corners. Given no pressure up-front, it almost becomes a prevent defense in its inception. The key is pressure. Cottrell (whether you want to lay the blame on Edwards is subject to argument) refused to blitz and apply pressure. He allowed offenses to pick, pick, pick away, without applying any stunts or blitzes.

There was some games that he did blitz, and teh defense started to work. For some reason, they backed off that

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The cover 2 allows an intermediate seam in the space between the safeties and the corners. Given no pressure up-front, it almost becomes a prevent defense in its inception. The key is pressure. Cottrell (whether you want to lay the blame on Edwards is subject to argument) refused to blitz and apply pressure. He allowed offenses to pick, pick, pick away, without applying any stunts or blitzes.

There was some games that he did blitz, and teh defense started to work. For some reason, they backed off that

Scott, great analysis. I lay the not blizting at Herm's feet, because I don't think the Buc's blitzed much, because they didn't have too. Herm came over with this mindset that "if the bucs did it, we can do it".

Also, who are you gonna blitz? All the linebackers were too slow.

I know when the Buc's did/do blitz, it's usually a CB blitz, Ronde Barber.

I think I seen the Jets CB blitz Mickens once or twice 2001-2003.

The Jets would go from 10-6 to 9-7 to 6-10 during that 3 year span.

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Scott, great analysis. I lay the not blizting at Herm's feet, because I don't think the Buc's blitzed much, because they didn't have too. Herm came over with this mindset that "if the bucs did it, we can do it".

Also, who are you gonna blitz? All the linebackers were too slow.

I know when the Buc's did/do blitz, it's usually a CB blitz, Ronde Barber.

I think I seen the Jets CB blitz Mickens once or twice 2001-2003.

The Jets would go from 10-6 to 9-7 to 6-10 during that 3 year span.

Yup.

You also need an enforcer at Safety-See Tampa with Lynch. You cant have receivers just thinking they have a free walk through that seam, give them something to think about.

Jets thought Garnes would be that guy-He never was. You also need a rangey Free Safety who is a ball hawk.

As has been discussed umpteen times, personnel to fit schemes. These things just do not happen because you wish them so.

Put your players in position to make plays

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