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#1 Kleckineau

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 09:42 AM

About time no?

 

http://sports.yahoo....35998--nfl.html

 

New York Jets second-year wide receiver Stephen Hill has been demoted with reduced playing time this week against theBaltimore Ravens, coach Rex Ryan announced.

 

Hill had his second consecutive game without a catch in Sunday's blowout loss to the Buffalo Bills.

 

Hill has played 104 of a possible 121 snaps in the past two weeks.

 

Ryan acknowledged earlier this week that Hill's playing time could be reduced. Hill was made aware Wednesday that he had lost his starting job to David Nelson.

 

"I just got note of it today (Wednesday) -- that some would be cut down," Hill said, via the New York Daily News. "Hey, look, I have nothing to feel about it. That's big man's decisions. I just have to do what I do every day, come out here and play hard."

 

Ryan was critical of Hill on Wednesday..................


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 09:43 AM

The Jets have accountability at every position*

 

* = except quarterback


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 09:48 AM

The Jets have accountability at every position*

 

* = except quarterback

 

 

My initial thought as well.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 10:09 AM

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 10:19 AM

The Jets have accountability at every position*

* = except quarterback


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 10:32 AM

 

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 I'd like to see the stats on how many times he was targeted, and how many of those throws were actually catchable.

I know GENO had like what? 8 completions the entire game last week, so I am in by no means exonerating HILL but a completed pass has TWO components, and if the first part is askew, then their is no second part. Just curious?
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Posted 22 November 2013 - 10:46 AM

 
 I'd like to see the stats on how many times he was targeted, and how many of those throws were actually catchable.

I know GENO had like what? 8 completions the entire game last week, so I am in by no means exonerating HILL but a completed pass has TWO components, and if the first part is askew, then their is no second part. Just curious?

 

Hill was targeted 7 times last week for no receptions. prior to that 1 time against NO (again no receptions)

 

I am the leader of the Geno stinks bandwagon but it's probably ok that Hill sits this one out.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 11:30 AM

The Jets have accountability at every position*

 

* = except quarterback

The Jets have NO accountability. Hill should have been addressed two weeks ago. Rex is slow as molasses in January when it comes to making this type of decision. He still likes Kyle Wilson. Please tell me why this guy is STILL on the roster when his next play will be his FIRST. He is a fourth year player who has yet to learn to turn his head and 'locate the football'. Remember a TE from two years ago named Matt Mulligan and how many times he jumped offside? 12 times. Yet Rex kept trotting this douche back out there only to do the same thing. Yeah, that is accountability by the Rex standard.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 11:33 AM

#ExtendRex

Extend Rex to the NFL Network where his 'expertise' will be appreciated more greatly than it is by fans of the Jets. Face it dude, you Rex apologists are getting to be in the minority more and more. See how many more turn on him after Sunday.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 11:36 AM

 

Hill was targeted 7 times last week for no receptions. prior to that 1 time against NO (again no receptions)
 
I am the leader of the Geno stinks bandwagon but it's probably ok that Hill sits this one out.

 Oh no, Its fine with me also, but I just wanted to see the stats and make my own conclusions.

OK,In the New Orleans game he was targeted but 1 time, so does this mean?

1. They ran the ball great in that game and had no need to throw down the field to Hill

or

2. He couldnt get separation, and thus was never targeted

I would assume a little of both

BUT, against Buffalo, he was targeted 7 times and had NO receptions which leads to these hypothesis

1. To be targeted that many times with NO receptions, I can only conclude that the passes were poorly thrown and uncatchable or He dropped a few. Did he have any drops?

So, if He was not targeted in the NO game because of the run game, and the passes were poorly thrown in the Buffalo game, then I see no reason to bench him as it wasnt his fault for the lack of production.

If however, he was not targeted because he couldnt get seperation in NO, and he dropped passes in the Buffalo game, then obviously he should be benched for lack of separation.

Also, if a guy with 4.3 speed in his 2nd year, still cant run routes and get separation, then I would wonder about the capabilities of our coaches, in particular, our receivers coach, who is?
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Posted 22 November 2013 - 11:45 AM

Hill is soft. He made no attempt to turn into a DB on Geno's end zone int last week. Of course it was a terrible pass but he basically just watched like he didn't give a crap.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 11:46 AM

 

The Jets have NO accountability. Hill should have been addressed two weeks ago. Rex is slow as molasses in January when it comes to making this type of decision. He still likes Kyle Wilson. Please tell me why this guy is STILL on the roster when his next play will be his FIRST. He is a fourth year player who has yet to learn to turn his head and 'locate the football'. Remember a TE from two years ago named Matt Mulligan and how many times he jumped offside? 12 times. Yet Rex kept trotting this douche back out there only to do the same thing. Yeah, that is accountability by the Rex standard.

 Lack of accountability is a good reference point to bring up and never was more apparent than this past week in Buffalo. I have addressed this issue which absolutely just about caused me to break my TV, but its worth mentioning again.

The Jets were down 3-0 in the second quarter and had just stopped Buffalo on the Jets 38 yard line on a 3rd and 6, brining up 4th and 6, so too long for a buffalo field goal so they were forced to punt, then came a blatant example of LACK OF DISCIPLINE on this team as LEGER DOUZABLE inexplicably causes a neutral zone infraction, and now 4th and 6 turns into 4th and 1, and given the field postion, obviously Buffalo now goes for it, makes the 1st and then Millner gets burned for a TD. My thought was just typical of a RYAN coached team and what will be the "punishment" if any for Douzable?

As I stated before, If Parcells were coach and that happened, Leger would have walked home from Buffalo and then been CUT. Of course if Parcells were coach, that wouldnt have occurred but thats another issue for another day.

Those simple mistakes have plauged this team for the past 5 years and they just cant be tolerated.
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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:02 PM

The Jets have accountability at every position*

 

* = except quarterback

The second that Rex stated that without question Smith would be starting after the Buffalo game, is when I would have fired him. That statement showed that he is strictly emotional and not logical as well as not even wanting Geno to have a doubt in his mind. If Geno gives us the best chance of winning, then everyone in NYJ management should be fired from the president to the towel boy. Geno has given us zero chances of winning when he is not bailed out by the defense or running game. We had to win a few games in spite of some terrible interceptions. 

Rex needs to go. Perhaps he will be much better at his second coaching stint when he realizes what Parcells did. Your players are NOT your friends.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:25 PM

Extend Rex to the NFL Network where his 'expertise' will be appreciated more greatly than it is by fans of the Jets. Face it dude, you Rex apologists are getting to be in the minority more and more. See how many more turn on him after Sunday.

 

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:33 PM

The Jets have NO accountability. Hill should have been addressed two weeks ago. Rex is slow as molasses in January when it comes to making this type of decision. He still likes Kyle Wilson. Please tell me why this guy is STILL on the roster when his next play will be his FIRST. He is a fourth year player who has yet to learn to turn his head and 'locate the football'. Remember a TE from two years ago named Matt Mulligan and how many times he jumped offside? 12 times. Yet Rex kept trotting this douche back out there only to do the same thing. Yeah, that is accountability by the Rex standard.

Actually think Wilsons not playing too bad.  Maybe because Cro and Milliner have been awful but he hasnt been as bad as recent years


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:37 PM

Soooo, I guess this thread is OBE?

 

Stephen Hill expects to start for NY Jets on Sunday Marty Mornhinweg says the Jets are trying to limit his snaps in practice to keep him fresh and well-rested for Sunday's game against the Ravens. By Seth Walder / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

It looks as if Stephen Hill will be starting after all. After what appears to be a miscommunication in which Hill seemed to suggest his snaps would be cut, it looks like the only thing being cut is his practice reps. In order to keep Hill fresh and well-rested, Marty Mornhinweg said the Jets were trying to limit his snaps in practice, but said he suspects Hill will still start.

“He’s got a bunch of nicks,” the offensive coordinator said. “We’re trying to help him help this team and to get him to the game at the top of his game, and I don’t think I’ve done that in the past couple weeks.”

There was speculation Hill would be benched after Rex Ryan said he considered pulling him from the starting lineup after the second-year receiver failed to make a catch in two games.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:44 PM

DonCorleone, on 22 Nov 2013 - 12:02 PM, said:

The second that Rex stated that without question Smith would be starting after the Buffalo game, is when I would have fired him. That statement showed that he is strictly emotional and not logical as well as not even wanting Geno to have a doubt in his mind. If Geno gives us the best chance of winning, then everyone in NYJ management should be fired from the president to the towel boy. Geno has given us zero chances of winning when he is not bailed out by the defense or running game. We had to win a few games in spite of some terrible interceptions. 

Rex needs to go. Perhaps he will be much better at his second coaching stint when he realizes what Parcells did. Your players are NOT your friends.

Are you at practice and see how the mighty Simms is performing? Maybe you prefer an ancient Garrard? Rex knows his job is on the line and I highly doubt if either backup QB is showing anything in practice that he would play Geno instead - unless Idz behind the scenes is telling him to do so (which is a good possibility).

 

The other statement about firing everyone because of Geno is ridiculous. He is a ROOKIE in a rebuilding year. What honestly do you expect? If you don't play him, how do you expect an honest assessment after the end of the year? Too many people are getting caught up in the playoff hopes and/or get too excitied about watching Ratliff, er Simms in mop up duty.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:48 PM

 
 Oh no, Its fine with me also, but I just wanted to see the stats and make my own conclusions.

OK,In the New Orleans game he was targeted but 1 time, so does this mean?

1. They ran the ball great in that game and had no need to throw down the field to Hill

or

2. He couldnt get separation, and thus was never targeted

I would assume a little of both

BUT, against Buffalo, he was targeted 7 times and had NO receptions which leads to these hypothesis

1. To be targeted that many times with NO receptions, I can only conclude that the passes were poorly thrown and uncatchable or He dropped a few. Did he have any drops?

So, if He was not targeted in the NO game because of the run game, and the passes were poorly thrown in the Buffalo game, then I see no reason to bench him as it wasnt his fault for the lack of production.

If however, he was not targeted because he couldnt get seperation in NO, and he dropped passes in the Buffalo game, then obviously he should be benched for lack of separation.

Also, if a guy with 4.3 speed in his 2nd year, still cant run routes and get separation, then I would wonder about the capabilities of our coaches, in particular, our receivers coach, who is?

Sanjay Lal. I was thinking the same thing. He seems to be a dud. The guy he brought over from the Raiders didn't do too well either.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:56 PM

Are you at practice and see how the mighty Simms is performing? Maybe you prefer an ancient Garrard? Rex knows his job is on the line and I highly doubt if either backup QB is showing anything in practice that he would play Geno instead - unless Idz behind the scenes is telling him to do so (which is a good possibility).

 

The other statement about firing everyone because of Geno is ridiculous. He is a ROOKIE in a rebuilding year. What honestly do you expect? If you don't play him, how do you expect an honest assessment after the end of the year? Too many people are getting caught up in the playoff hopes and/or get too excitied about watching Ratliff, er Simms in mop up duty.

Absolutely ridiculous post.

Did you not read " If Geno gives us the best chance of winning, then everyone in NYJ management should be fired from the president to the towel boy. Geno has given us zero chances of winning when he is not bailed out by the defense or running game. We had to win a few games in spite of some terrible interceptions. ' This is not a rebuilding year as far as Rex's job security is concerned. If Idz is telling him what to do, the Rex should walk away. To play or not to play a particular player is the decision of the head coach, if he cannot be entrusted to make his own decisions, he should not be coaching. I did not have to be at practice to see how deplorable Geno is as a player...Never mind as a qb.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:01 PM

Extend Rex to the NFL Network where his 'expertise' will be appreciated more greatly than it is by fans of the Jets. Face it dude, you Rex apologists are getting to be in the minority more and more. See how many more turn on him after Sunday.

 

Meh, let the wind blow again. 


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:26 PM

The Jets have accountability at every position*

 

* = except quarterback

 

You don't switch-in and switch-out a rookie QB every game. That's just not the way it works. Especially not when you have no credible backups to work with.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:26 PM

btw i dug this up about Hill vs BUF

 

 


Despite receiving seven targets, Hill was held without a reception for the second straight game. Hill’s production is plagued by inconsistent quarterback play. Five of Hill’s seven targets were overthrown as Geno Smith was unable deliver accurate passes under duress. Hill’s other two targets were underthrown as Buffalo’s defensive lineman tipped passes at the line of scrimmage.


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:28 PM

What a dick. It's his fault Hill sux
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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:31 PM

 
 Lack of accountability is a good reference point to bring up and never was more apparent than this past week in Buffalo. I have addressed this issue which absolutely just about caused me to break my TV, but its worth mentioning again.

The Jets were down 3-0 in the second quarter and had just stopped Buffalo on the Jets 38 yard line on a 3rd and 6, brining up 4th and 6, so too long for a buffalo field goal so they were forced to punt, then came a blatant example of LACK OF DISCIPLINE on this team as LEGER DOUZABLE inexplicably causes a neutral zone infraction, and now 4th and 6 turns into 4th and 1, and given the field postion, obviously Buffalo now goes for it, makes the 1st and then Millner gets burned for a TD. My thought was just typical of a RYAN coached team and what will be the "punishment" if any for Douzable?

As I stated before, If Parcells were coach and that happened, Leger would have walked home from Buffalo and then been CUT. Of course if Parcells were coach, that wouldnt have occurred but thats another issue for another day.

Those simple mistakes have plauged this team for the past 5 years and they just cant be tolerated.

 

Bill Parcells was undefeated here.  No player ever made a mistake on Bill Parcells led team.  Bill Parcells held Curtis Martin accountable for his performance in Denver.  Bill Parcells single handedly cost the Jets the playoffs with that Leon Johnson pass one year.  Infallible! You can complain about the play and the totality of permissiveness by Rex, but complaining that he didn't cut one guy who has outplayed his contract based on one play no matter how big, is going a bit far. 

 

dbatesman is totes a Rex apologist.  Totes.

 

Dierking too. 

 

Sanjay Lal. I was thinking the same thing. He seems to be a dud. The guy he brought over from the Raiders didn't do too well either.

 

He seems to be an improvement over Henry Ellard FWIW.  If the coaches change and the players keep sucking it is likely the players suck. 


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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:44 PM

btw i dug this up about Hill vs BUF


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