bitonti Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 1. 9-7, 11-5, 8-8, 6-10, 7-9 9. 9-7, 11-5, 8-8, 6-10, 7-9 they are going 8-8 this year kreskin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 they are going 8-8 this year kreskin And that is an accomplishment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacked4JetsFB Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Or perhaps it shows how weak your points were? Now Rex is not perfect, of course. But he has done a really good job with what he was offered He really hasn't. They have the fourth worst point differential in football. They have two gift wins and a very soft schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acupuncturejeff Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Joined the forums to let you guys know the last podcast is not on itunes as of today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 26, 2013 Author Share Posted December 26, 2013 Joined the forums to let you guys know the last podcast is not on itunes as of today Interesting, I am heading out now but I will look into that tonight. Thanks for the heads up... iTunes did send a notification out earlier this week about some maintenance they were doing to the submit a podcast feed. I will see if that is the issue. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted December 26, 2013 Author Share Posted December 26, 2013 I like this post because it highlights how pathetically shallow and weak the pro-Rex argument is. Great comeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Great comeback. I couldn't come back from that devastating Josh Bush mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbone Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 I couldn't come back from that devastating Josh Bush mention. This made me lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 Provide three legitimate reasons, please. 1. The Defense is way ahead of the offense. Keeping stability there next year at least gives them a chance because chances are next year offense will not be that much better than it was this year unless you are in the fantasy league where you are expecting them to go from 30th in league to the 2nd...dream on. at best they may make it to 20th. 2. FA are not going to want to come into a unknown situation/Coaching staff and this team is in serious need of FA help. Rex helps them in this regard because of his rep. 3. Fans are tired of this team starting over. The problem with Rex coming in was he used too much of his bravdo to influence Tanny to the point of no return. He should have kept his nose out of who the players were and instead focused on his schemes. This was probably his biggest downfall I think. With that said you would hope he learned from that and if fired will take those lessons and create success elsewhere while the Jets start over with another 1st year head coach and flounder for 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 1. The Defense is way ahead of the offense. Keeping stability there next year at least gives them a chance because chances are next year offense will not be that much better than it was this year unless you are in the fantasy league where you are expecting them to go from 30th in league to the 2nd...dream on. at best they may make it to 20th. 2. FA are not going to want to come into a unknown situation/Coaching staff and this team is in serious need of FA help. Rex helps them in this regard because of his rep. 3. Fans are tired of this team starting over. The problem with Rex coming in was he used too much of his bravdo to influence Tanny to the point of no return. He should have kept his nose out of who the players were and instead focused on his schemes. This was probably his biggest downfall I think. With that said you would hope he learned from that and if fired will take those lessons and create success elsewhere while the Jets start over with another 1st year head coach and flounder for 5 years. "would hope he learned from that and if fired will take those lessons and create success elsewhere" Huh? Once he is canned, I could care less if he ever coaches another game in this league, let alone wish him success. Hes getting whacked in the NFL, not the local ballet dancing club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 I forgot he developed Josh Bush,...no chance he gets fired now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenoandtheJets Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 9-7,11-5,8-8,6-10,7-8 so far equals 41-38 coaching record for Rex Ryan.1 losing season.Bring Rex Ryan back winningest jets coach in 10 plus years.Herm or Eric never coached the jets to any success that rex has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 Did anyone tell Josh Bush about his developmental progress ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassmaster2 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 The GM is in the tough spot year 2 of his 4 years , fire Rex start over with a new staff and take 2 years to get his players ,I do not see any HC that can turn this around in 1 or 2 years , the key part we have no QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 The GM is in the tough spot year 2 of his 4 years , fire Rex start over with a new staff and take 2 years to get his players ,I do not see any HC that can turn this around in 1 or 2 years , the key part we have no QB You answered your own post. Simple to turn this around in 1 year, Parcells did it, took a 1-15 to 9-7 to the playoffs. The Colts did it 1-15, to the playoffs. If IDZIK finds this team a QB, and of course a new Coach, they will make the playoffs next year. Book it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 "would hope he learned from that and if fired will take those lessons and create success elsewhere" Huh? Once he is canned, I could care less if he ever coaches another game in this league, let alone wish him success. Hes getting whacked in the NFL, not the local ballet dancing club. Yeah ok...tool...anywho I need to add 1 more 4. Pete Carrol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Yeah ok...tool...anywho I need to add 1 more 4. Pete Carrol OK, so whats your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 OK, so whats your point? I liked Pete Carroll when he was with Jets. I thought he was good enough to deserve more time to see what he could do. He was a player coach who was defense oriented. Was DC prior to be head coach. Was only given 1 year. Fired. replaced with greener pastures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenoandtheJets Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Yes they better keep Rex Ryan as coach he is 41-38 overall and has gotten this team to 7 wins from a team that was projected to not even win 4. Give Rex Ryan as much time as he wants. Also he is 4-2 in the playoffs with wins over the Bengals,Patriots,Chargers,Colts. 3rd all-time winningest coach in NY Jets history and winningest coach for the Jets in the past 10 seasons he accomplished what Herman Edwards and Eric Mangini could not. Idzik would be a fool to let go of Rex Ryan. #KeepRexRyan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 I liked Pete Carroll when he was with Jets. I thought he was good enough to deserve more time to see what he could do. He was a player coach who was defense oriented. Was DC prior to be head coach. Was only given 1 year. Fired. replaced with greener pastures. I agree, but totally different situation, as the JETS obviously pulled the plug way too soon, so we really didnt know what type or how good of a coach he was. With REX we have given him plenty of time and he has proven that he is basically a middle of the road, mediocre .500 coach. Serviceable if you will but certainly nothing special. However my original comment was on wishing him SUCCESS in his next gig, and why would I do that, especially if the Jets have to play a team that he is part of the staff. As I said, once he leaves the Jets, I could care less what happens to him, as I would with anyone leaving the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKnight83 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Personally I think Rex has to go simply because a lot of crap happened on his watch. However, here are my reasons for wanting to help him pack. 1. A HC should be knowledgeable and interested in all aspects of the game. I just do not see Rex demonstrating any capacity or interest in anything other than the D. 2. He is incapable of accurately evaluating both players and coaches. A poor player he will rate as average. Average as good. Good as Great, etc... Tell me you do not think he and MT were trading all those picks to move up because they thought the team was much better than it really was. 3. His loyalty to his players and friends is detrimental to the team. Well, until he throws them under the bus. 4. I agree he, himself, is undisciplined and it is reflected in his team. I mean with the nutritional advice and work out facilities he has access to and he opts for surgery? 5. Last but not least...if you are going to brag about running with the bulls have some cajones for $%^&* sake. All I saw was a scared fat guy trying to climb a fence. He was running away not with! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Pretty upset Josh Bush got snubbed from The Pro Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Personally I think Rex has to go simply because a lot of crap happened on his watch. However, here are my reasons for wanting to help him pack. 1. A HC should be knowledgeable and interested in all aspects of the game. I just do not see Rex demonstrating any capacity or interest in anything other than the D. #FireSeanPayton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 #FireSeanPayton Sean Payton is an administrator and a leader. It's not coincidence that the Saints defense sucked too when he was suspended. Head coaches shouldn't be in a room scheming one side of the ball. They need to be involved in all aspects of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Sean Payton is an administrator and a leader. It's not coincidence that the Saints defense sucked too when he was suspended. Head coaches shouldn't be in a room scheming one side of the ball. They need to be involved in all aspects of the team. But I suppose it IS a coincidence that a Ryan went to New Orleans and fixed their defense overnight? Big coincidence, huh? Quick, name me some current head coaches that are average or better on offense, defense and special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 But I suppose it IS a coincidence that a Ryan went to New Orleans and fixed their defense overnight? Big coincidence, huh? ..............,.,,,....,...,,,;()&7(?!&&76;;4:;;this:?$$$((()!! What? Quick, name me some current head coaches that are average or better on offense, defense and special teams. What does this even mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 ..............,.,,,....,...,,,;()&7(?!&&76;;4:;;this: ?$$$((()!! What? What does this even mean? Means that every head coach has weaknesses on certain sides of the ball, and certain sides of the ball will interest them more than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 But I suppose it IS a coincidence that a Ryan went to New Orleans and fixed their defense overnight? Big coincidence, huh? Quick, name me some current head coaches that are average or better on offense, defense and special teams. Easier to name the ones that are NOT: Frazier, Ryan, Garrett, Kubiak,whoops, sorry, the last one was fired, hmmmmm................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Means that every head coach has weaknesses on certain sides of the ball, and certain sides of the ball will interest them more than others. It's not the head coach's job to sit down and scheme both sides of the ball. It's his job to make sure the guys scheming either side of the ball are on the same page and doing it as effectively as possible week in and week out. There are plenty of genius coordinators who were awful head coaches because they couldn't manage their staffs. Rex is one of those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Easier to name the ones that are NOT: Frazier, Ryan, Garrett, Kubiak,whoops, sorry, the last one was fired, hmmmmm................ Sean Payton is average or better in all of those aspects? Bill Belichick is average or better in all aspects? Disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Sean Payton is average or better in all of those aspects? Bill Belichick is average or better in all aspects? Disagree. You may be right, but it seems strange that you pick guys who have rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 It's not the head coach's job to sit down and scheme both sides of the ball. It's his job to make sure the guys scheming either side of the ball are on the same page and doing it as effectively as possible week in and week out. There are plenty of genius coordinators who were awful head coaches because they couldn't manage their staffs. Rex is one of those guys. Well I didn't know if it was the head coach's job to scheme both sides of the ball, considering that you recently taught me that it's now the head coach's job to draft and manage the roster. But yeah, I agree. It's not the head coach's job to do that. It's his job to win by putting together the whole package. In the first few years, we did a good amount of winning. Then the risks that Tannenbaum took from 2009-2011 had to be paid off with some lean years. Finally with a GM that has a more balanced approach. tons of picks and cap space and with Rex and Mornhinwheg in the same building, we have the right combination. You want to throw that out? For what? A hope and a prayer that this cursed franchise will accidentally stumble into coaching greatness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Well I didn't know if it was the head coach's job to scheme both sides of the ball, considering that you recently taught me that it's now the head coach's job to draft and manage the roster. But yeah, I agree. It's not the head coach's job to do that. It's his job to win by putting together the whole package. In the first few years, we did a good amount of winning. Then the risks that Tannenbaum took from 2009-2011 had to be paid off with some lean years. Finally with a GM that has a more balanced approach. tons of picks and cap space and with Rex and Mornhinwheg in the same building, we have the right combination. You want to throw that out? For what? A hope and a prayer that this cursed franchise will accidentally stumble into coaching greatness? 1. You have no idea if it's the "right combination." You're guessing. 2. The next five years will largely be determined by how well the players Idzik drafts turn out. I'm of the belief that coaching will play a large part in how those draft picks turn out, as are most sane people on the planet. Rex's record in developing draft picks is abyssmal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 1. You have no idea if it's the "right combination." You're guessing. And you aren't guessing? Look at what you've got to build on from this 7-9 or 8-8 season: -A head coach that's a defensive genius and a master motivator -A good, experienced offensive coordinator -A general manager that is interested in developing long-term consistency -A great defensive line and a good offensive line -Tons of cap space -13 draft picks We're on the way up again. If the Jets were going to fire Rex, it should have been last year. I wouldn't have been happy then either but it should have been last year. No matter what, we *will* win more than 8 games next season. But I like our chances better (especially in the near-term) if we don't throw away Rex and Marty and start all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 And you aren't guessing? Look at what you've got to build on from this 7-9 or 8-8 season: -A head coach that's a defensive genius and a master motivator -A good, experienced offensive coordinator -A general manager that is interested in developing long-term consistency -A great defensive line and a good offensive line -Tons of cap space -13 draft picks We're on the way up again. If the Jets were going to fire Rex, it should have been last year. I wouldn't have been happy then either but it should have been last year. No matter what, we *will* win more than 8 games next season. But I like our chances better (especially in the near-term) if we don't throw away Rex and Marty and start all over. I'm not going to piss on your optimism, my friend. Godspeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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