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Jordan Matthews May Land With Jets


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#51 bitonti

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 10:17 PM

  It's not about panic, it's about the truth that nobody likes to admit.   This BAP in the draft is really dumb logic.  Nobody knows who the best players are and everybody has a different opinion.  Many times the top 5 picks are a crap shoot, much less the rest of the draft.   It's one thing to take a guy who should go in the 2nd round and take him first, it's another to take a Defensive player because he's the so called BAP at 18, but there was some TE or WR who might only be the BAP at 26.    A team who does that is stupid.   

 

  The Jets offense stinks. It's stunk for years.  They have no playmakers.  None.  No WR who can make plays.  No TEs who can make plays.  No RBs who can make plays.   And their QB is still an unknown.       Again, what happens if in round 1, 2, 3 the BAP at their spot is defensive players.   They should just keep picking defense and forget about the offense because their board says so?    At that point you'd have to assume this entire organization is filled with idiots.

 

  Yes, they have needs on defense,  but at the end of the day,  the Jets can draft another freaking CB and make that maybe 4 First round CBs on the roster,  and draft no offensive players that make a difference.  Then Rex will impress people and the Jets will finish 8-8.   Fans will be excited because hey, "they had no talent on offense."  Wait till next year when they get some weapons on offense.   Except hey, BAP again, is defense in the draft.  And the crap continues.

 

here's the problem with your logic... that "Bap is dumb" 1st off the team isn't gonna do what you or I want them to do. for me, i want to predict what others will do. They go Bap and they go defense. alot. it's probably gonna be a corner if we are  just going by history

 

also a good defender is better than a bust weaponz. this team can sign FA and draft whatever. 


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:22 PM

Lots of conflicting reports out of 'Bama on Matthews, and just about every other pick not named Zach Martin.  Some are saying that he lacks the power and strength to get off of physical press-man, whereas others are saying that he's over-powering most every dback, so who knows.  I do know he's got phenomenal size, intangibles and production, but if he times poorly he could probably slide into the third, so who knows.  There's just so many juniors coming out this year that every little bit matters: when you have the Biletnikoff winner only being discussed as a second rounder, you know it's a deep draft.  For what it's worth, that's one of those awards that has been a pretty decent indicator for future NFL success.   Justin Blackmon 2x, Golden Tate, Michael Crabtree 2x, Calvin Johnson, Mike Hass, Braylon Edwards, Larry Fitzgerald, Charles Rogers, Josh Reed, Antonio Bryant, Tory walters, Troy edwards and Randy Moss.  I think Lee and Cooks will probably follow suite with the majority of those guys and carve a nice career for themselves.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:16 AM

I am all in on Jordan Matthews. I love his game, skill set, production. Pretty much everything about this guy is a plus, other than top end speed. If he were available in the second round, I would be very happy.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:29 AM

No one is arguing that he is an elite WR. Bit suggested selecting one of the speedier receivers in the 3rd rounds in hopes of getting lucky like Pittsburgh and you said it was a poor idea, because he wasn't as a good as the elite receivers in the NFL, received a contract he didn't deserve and stephen hill sucks.  None of that takes away from Wallace being fantastic value for a 3rd rounder; everyone here would be dong back flips if we landed someone of his caliber in the 3rd round.  

 

Secondly, out of those receivers you mentioned, only Keenan Allen had a better rookie year. How is Still's a better receiver when he's basically a one-dimensional deep threat like Wallace was, but had worse numbers? Ty Hilton is following a very similar trajectory to Wallace, but again, worse statistical numbers.  Marvin Jones? Outside of the big day against the Jets, Wallace had more yards and tds in one year than Jones had in his first two combined.  None of that even matters, I'm not arguing Wallace is the next coming. I'm simply saying that he was fantastic value for a 3rd rounder, we should only be so lucky to get someone like him in the 3rd and that just because some physical specimens haven't panned out, doesn't mean you ignore them forever. It's why each player is individually scouted and not based on what VG did.

First off, all those 3 guys I mentioned are way more complete wr's than Wallace.  All 3 have way better hands than Wallace. Stills was killing teams on all kind of routes all year long.  His stats aren't huge but its because Brees has so many damn weapons and likes to spread the ball around. Hilton emerged over Wayne's injury. He torched teams time and time again.  And Allen was just dynamic.  Sorry but I want no part of a one dimensional WR whether its the first or 7th round. I would take Keenan Allen, Hilton or Stills (all 3rd rounders) any day over the week over someone like Wallace or Hill, who all they do is run fly patterns.  Allen, Hilton and Stills run great routes, screens, outs. All I ever see from Wallace is a straight fly.  And his stats are not that impressive.  IMO he is highly overrated. Get me a wr like those three and then we can talk about value.    


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:04 AM

here's the problem with your logic... that "Bap is dumb" 1st off the team isn't gonna do what you or I want them to do. for me, i want to predict what others will do. They go Bap and they go defense. alot. it's probably gonna be a corner if we are  just going by history

 

also a good defender is better than a bust weaponz. this team can sign FA and draft whatever. 

 

Doesn't your logic assume that the perceived BPA will be absolutely head and shoulders above the other guy?

 

Are we talking about a strict BPA approach or is there any wiggle room at all? Because, if you're going strictly BPA, it is a possibility that the BPA's will come from one side of the ball each and every time you draft in the more meaningful rounds. Especially if you're looking through a prism that favors one part of your team.

 

I also think BPA is a luxury you don't have when there is no semblance of balance whatsoever between the two sides of the ball and should only be assumed in conjunction with what you already have, which in reality, is the only KNOWN aspect of the whole process. The rest is guesswork.

 

And what are we arguing here because the BPA approach gets dicier in proportion to how far down the draft you go, so are we talking about the first round, first few rounds or the whole draft? Top of the first, bottom of the first?


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 08:20 AM

Everybody "experts" or not can argue all day long about a prospect truth is. No one has a ******* clue. 75% of the players don't make it or live up to the hype.

It's a crap shoot.
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:12 AM

I would love for the Jets to land Jordan Mathews.  Sammy Watkins is the only receiver I would take over him.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:15 AM

First off, all those 3 guys I mentioned are way more complete wr's than Wallace.  All 3 have way better hands than Wallace. Stills was killing teams on all kind of routes all year long.  His stats aren't huge but its because Brees has so many damn weapons and likes to spread the ball around. Hilton emerged over Wayne's injury. He torched teams time and time again.  And Allen was just dynamic.  Sorry but I want no part of a one dimensional WR whether its the first or 7th round. I would take Keenan Allen, Hilton or Stills (all 3rd rounders) any day over the week over someone like Wallace or Hill, who all they do is run fly patterns.  Allen, Hilton and Stills run great routes, screens, outs. All I ever see from Wallace is a straight fly.  And his stats are not that impressive.  IMO he is highly overrated. Get me a wr like those three and then we can talk about value.    

 

Of course, the ole eye test. Can't argue with that.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:36 PM

If Evans and Watkins are gone, I like this dude or Ebron at #18.

 

Agree, I may even want him more than Evans, depending on what they both run.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:03 PM

Agree, I may even want him more than Evans, depending on what they both run.

If Jordan runs 4.5 or better, I want him, if not, then Ebron is my choice and dont even need a time from that dude. His skills are freakish.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:28 PM

I wouldn't call either Milliner or Richardson physical freaks. They were both highly skilled, highly productive players.

 

I think by "physical freak" Bit means he's much, much faster than other players his size, or much bigger than the other players of his speed.

 

A 4.5 40 yard dash for a player of Jordan's size is very nice, but not physical freak class.  Vernon Davis, TE of the 49ers, has that speed.


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:43 PM

They're both definitely physical freaks...have you seen the sports science on Milliner?


Richardson himself ran in the 4.8s as a 300 pound DT at his pro day...I'm too lazy to check but he also had some of the longest arms and biggest hands in last years draft too. I remember arm length being one of the standout differences between him and Floyd. Its the reason he fit this D actually...
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:48 PM

Richardson himself ran in the 4.8s as a 300 pound DT at his pro day...I'm too lazy to check but he also had some of the longest arms and biggest hands in last years draft too. I remember arm length being one of the standout differences between him and Floyd. Its the reason he fit this D actually...

 

Wouldn't be surprised on Sheldon's wing span. In one of Rex's books he emphasizes how much more important arm length in his defense is compared to size. 


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:19 PM

If Jordan runs 4.5 or better, I want him,

 

Yes and no.  So far he's run the 40  three times and gotten 4.45, 4.55, and 4.65 .

 

http://www.nfldrafts...=2014&genpos=WR


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:56 PM

He's a smaller slower version of Benji.


I think it's like, do you want the safer more dependable potential #2 or the more boom bust higher but lower ceiling guy.
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:02 PM

I think it's like, do you want the safer more dependable potential #2 or the more boom bust higher but lower ceiling guy.


Depends when he's drafted.
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Posted 23 January 2014 - 10:29 PM

Depends when he's drafted.

Even if they're both second rounders. I think I'd rather go Matthews.

Btw title of te article is retarded. Hope somebody brought that up already..

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:09 AM

They're both definitely physical freaks...have you seen the sports science on Milliner?

Yes.  Plus everyone all year no matter how bad he played talk about him "having" the tools just not using them correctly.  He started to catch on at the end of the year.  Sheldon Richardson was DROY. nuf said


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:20 AM

Wouldn't be surprised on Sheldon's wing span. In one of Rex's books he emphasizes how much more important arm length in his defense is compared to size.


Rex has "books"?
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:38 AM

Richardson himself ran in the 4.8s as a 300 pound DT at his pro day...I'm too lazy to check but he also had some of the longest arms and biggest hands in last years draft too. I remember arm length being one of the standout differences between him and Floyd. Its the reason he fit this D actually...


Anyone who saw Sheldon in college knew he was a freak. And yes, wingspan was a major factor similar to Mo Wilk.
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:38 AM

Richardson himself ran in the 4.8s as a 300 pound DT at his pro day...I'm too lazy to check but he also had some of the longest arms and biggest hands in last years draft too. I remember arm length being one of the standout differences between him and Floyd. Its the reason he fit this D actually...


Anyone who saw Sheldon in college knew he was a freak. And yes, wingspan was a major factor similar to Mo Wilk.
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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:04 PM

He is the all time leading WR in the SEC which is saying something. He may not be a blazer, but in the league now you don't have to be. Vertical routes do not require blazing speed, just quickness which he has and GREAT hands. This guy catches everything thrown his way and has great footwork for sideline passes. I say take him and don't look back. Get a TE in later rounds and build up the O-line, maybe add a speed back and the Jets will be looking good. Still need a CB to replace Cro, who probably won't be back and even if he is, he will need more breaks due to his age and injury issues. Except for bringing Rex back, I would say things are looking good for 2014.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:23 PM

Give me him and Ebron or Amaro and I'm a happy man.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:36 PM

With 12 picks and lots of cash, Idzik can really make a mark to rebuild this team THIS year. This answers ALL our needs.  

 

round 1 CB Dennard, - corner is imperative - WR can be addressed LATER - its a deep class. Kid is shut down, our pass D was deplorable.   

round 2 WR Xavier Su'a-Filo, G, UCLA  solid run blocker - Our OL is getting old and average at best

round 3 QB Garrapolo or Jeff Matthews - gotta get a qb for the future

round 3 WR Abredarrris - great value and solid skills

round 4  RB  De'Anthony Thomas - Oregan - scat back - blazin fast, PR, great hands, explosive  

round 4   Boseko Lokombo OLB - Oregan - quick as a snake- And with a name like that - instant cult status!

round 5  TE Colt Lyerla  Oregon  - athletic and is a mismatch TE for defenses.

round 5  L'Damian Washington - Mizzou - 6'4 195 4.53

round 6 Kenny Ladler  6'1, 205 pounds Safety  Vanderbilt

round 7 TE Ted Bolser  - 6'6 252 sleeper - athletic

round 7 Jay Prosch, FB, Auburn 

 

Free Agents

McGown - QB - can play a few years until rookie is ready

Byrd - safety - this is pure desperation - need a top notch safety to go along with young CB's

Maclin - wr  -was elite - hopefully can regain his mojo - worth the risk


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