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would Allen Robinson or Jordan Matthews be a reach at pick 18?


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#1 Jetknowledge

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 03:46 AM

Just wondering because there's a chance Watkins, Evans, Lee, Kelvin, & Ebron will be gone before our pick.
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 06:09 AM

Yes, and if the Jets take a TE in the first round I might go all Richard Sherman, and sh*t!
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:42 AM

In one word , yes.
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:45 AM

If there's a run on all the good offensive players, there'll probably be one or two good defensive players available at #18. The Jets were desperate for offensive help last year, too, but that didn't stop the team from going defense in the first round. Twice.
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Posted 04 February 2014 - 08:18 AM

Just wondering because there's a chance Watkins, Evans, Lee, Kelvin, & Ebron will be gone before our pick.

Not Matthews, and Robinson is borderline at #18. Dude is big and long and has great hands. I would not be dissappointed if they took either at 18.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 08:45 AM

While I am biased on Robinson because of where he went to school, the kid is tough, durable and will be an NFL receiver for at least a decade. Whether he will be a "star" receiver is an unknown. He has fair quickness off the the line and can "body up" most d-backs and has tremendous leaping ability and body control.

 

Hands are very good and he doesn't allow the ball come into his body.

 

The Jets could certainly do worse at 18 at WR.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 08:49 AM

No one will know anything until after the combine
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Posted 17 February 2014 - 11:15 PM

Just wondering because there's a chance Watkins, Evans, Lee, Kelvin, & Ebron will be gone before our pick.

Im about to put up my updated pre mock draft and I tell you this, Jordan Matthews to me looks like the most nfl ready WR I've seen so far bar none. Taking him at 18 will probably look like a stretch in May, but by seasons end it'll be a no-brainer and possibly the best value pick the Jets make the entire draft if they draft this kid. Im actually watching his tape now and he's looking VERY legit. 


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 11:27 PM

Despise the term reach as it denotes that the opinions of the Matt Millers and draftniks of the world actually hold value in the NFL.  By and large, players are selected where their value is determined by FOs from all around the league, thus if Matthews is picked at 18, his value is a mid-first rounder. 

 

Other than that, it's impossible to answer without knowing who else is on the board. If you have those four receivers and one tight end already off the board and presumably four QBs, as Slats mentioned, there's probably going to be a stud defensive guy who falls through the cracks, like maybe Mack or Barr. 


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 11:41 PM

Im about to put up my updated pre mock draft...

 

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(Chandler)'s a nice piece as long as he's the 7th most important player on your roster....I think they're going to be disappointed when they see he's just a pumped-up Drew Gooden.


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 11:52 PM

Despise the term reach as it denotes that the opinions of the Matt Millers and draftniks of the world actually hold value in the NFL.  By and large, players are selected where their value is determined by FOs from all around the league, thus if Matthews is picked at 18, his value is a mid-first rounder. 

 

Other than that, it's impossible to answer without knowing who else is on the board. If you have those four receivers and one tight end already off the board and presumably four QBs, as Slats mentioned, there's probably going to be a stud defensive guy who falls through the cracks, like maybe Mack or Barr. 

If Khalil Mack falls out of the top ten and is sitting at #18 the Jets better trade back to the mid 20's and pick up another 3rd rounder. 


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Posted 17 February 2014 - 11:56 PM

If robinson 40 time is 4.44 or better I can see him at 18 my only question with him is his speed, if he's a 4.3 guy i'm excited because of geno's arm.

Fyi - if we draft or sign a qb he just better have a arm...
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Posted 18 February 2014 - 12:12 AM

If Khalil Mack falls out of the top ten and is sitting at #18 the Jets better trade back to the mid 20's and pick up another 3rd rounder. 

 

id like khalil


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 12:13 AM

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I figured the "watching tape" part would have gotten you more.


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 12:14 AM

If Khalil Mack falls out of the top ten and is sitting at #18 the Jets better trade back to the mid 20's and pick up another 3rd rounder. 

 

If Mack somehow falls to 18th and we don't select him, I'll be extremely annoyed.  He'd be our best edge-rusher in about a decade and fills a position of need. 


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 12:15 AM

I figured the "watching tape" part would have gotten you more.

 

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 12:36 AM

Robinson really seems to have slipped so far as being included in discussions of the top WR's.   There was a time he was mentioned towards the top of the group not named Watkins, Evans or Lee.


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 12:47 AM

Robinson really seems to have slipped so far as being included in discussions of the top WR's. There was a time he was mentioned towards the top of the group not named Watkins, Evans or Lee.



I believe that's because of his school. But he certainly should be in peoples top 5s
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Posted 18 February 2014 - 12:51 AM

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I figured the "watching tape" part would have gotten you more.

 

 

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Kinda reminds me when I was spoke on Alshon Jeffery a couple years ago (after watching tape) and all I seen was funny gif's and fat pics. 

 

2 years later Jeffery's in the probowl and people still have their Gifs....no fat pics yet. 


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 12:56 AM

If Mack somehow falls to 18th and we don't select him, I'll be extremely annoyed.  He'd be our best edge-rusher in about a decade and fills a position of need. 

I dont care. They should trade back, get an extra pick and get that WR. It wont matter how good Mack is (or the defense for that matter) if the offense cant score points. It is a position of need, but not as much a need as WR. We have Coples, and we're most likely signing Barnes back. We have Jeremy Kerley! 


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 01:41 AM

Yes pick BAP regardless of position.

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 01:52 AM

Kinda reminds me when I was spoke on Alshon Jeffery a couple years ago (after watching tape) and all I seen was funny gif's and fat pics. 

 

2 years later Jeffery's in the probowl and people still have their Gifs....no fat pics yet. 

 

Wow, you sure showed them.


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(Chandler)'s a nice piece as long as he's the 7th most important player on your roster....I think they're going to be disappointed when they see he's just a pumped-up Drew Gooden.


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 08:55 AM

No, either one at #18 is fine. Both are studs but I would rather have Benjamin.


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 09:39 AM

Wow, you sure showed them.

Sometimes you have to take it there you know?


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Posted 18 February 2014 - 10:13 AM

Sometimes you have to take it there you know?

 

Looking at youtube clips and cutups is not equivalent to "watching tape," that's probably the most hollow, disingenuous phrase on football forums.  You're lording Jeffery over everyone as if you nailed Marques Colston in the bottom of the 7th round.  You predicated that the best WR in the SEC and the 45th overall pick in the draft was going to be good, BOLD prediction. No one doubted his talent, they doubted his drive and ethic, there's a difference.  I'll give you credit for looking past that however.

 

 

Hey, I said Larry Warford was going to be the best OG in the draft for months, and he went in the third, does that make me JN's resident Oline scout!?


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