Il Mostro Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Trade for Sam Bradford. Will the Rams want to cut him loose rather than re-up him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 If that is a possibility without overpaying too much, I am on board. Bradford is a guy who could benefit from a change in scenery and is leaps and bounds better than anything on our horizon.close your eyes, sing the hymn and believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Will the Rams want to cut him loose rather than re-up him?speculation he could be out. Big salary no guaranteed money left and they have 2 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 speculation he could be out. Big salary no guaranteed money left and they have 2 overall. Well, it isn't like the Rams are on the cusp. It would be huge trade, but bigger deals have gone down. The guy has taken a hell of a beating during his career thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 shaun hill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassmaster2 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Because Geno developing into a solid starter OR Geno imploding resulting in the team getting a top-5 pick are both preferable options to muddling through another ~.500 season with a meh veteran QB. I agree with you , the Jets are going to stay with Geno for 1 more year , it would be nice to have a good veteran QB to come off the bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Because Geno developing into a solid starter OR Geno imploding resulting in the team getting a top-5 pick are both preferable options to muddling through another ~.500 season with a meh veteran QB. It's the Jets dude. If you're really expecting that anything other than the latter might happen, you're setting yourself up for a kick in the nuts. This never ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I'm gonna put it out there. For $4 Million, I do this and don't think twice. It looks like the new Jets regime is committed to a mobile QB and neither Cassell nor Shaun Hill fit the bill. if he's cut I'd take a look at Blaine Gabbert. Otherwise I'd try to trade for Cousins - maybe a 3rd rd pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I agree with you , the Jets are going to stay with Geno for 1 more year , it would be nice to have a good veteran QB to come off the bench Notsure why they would do that. Plenty of guys available better than geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 It looks like the new Jets regime is committed to a mobile QB and neither Cassell nor Shaun Hill fit the bill. if he's cut I'd take a look at Blaine Gabbert. Otherwise I'd try to trade for Cousins - maybe a 3rd rd pick. I'd much rather take a chance with that 3rd rounder on a QB in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I'd much rather take a chance with that 3rd rounder on a QB in the draft. one of the big mistakes the Jets made with Sanchez was never having viable competition for him. Going into camp with Geno, Simms, and a 3rd rd pick (murray?) all but hands Geno the job. I'd be ok with a mid-rd pick assuming the jets can also bring in competition. The problem is that all of the available QBs are either terrible or in serious decline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxmachine69 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Hey, Vikings fan here. Came here to see a few opinions on a couple guys that I thought could potentially moving on from your team and noticed this thread. I hate to rain on your parade, but as a Vikings fan I watched Matt Cassel this year. The guy is no different then he was in KC. Looks great one game, terrible the next. And I mean no offense by this, but the talent the Vikings have on offense is much better than what the Jets have. Cassels not a bad option as a backup, but he was set to earn almost 4 mil this year with the Vikings and had as good a chance as he'll find in the league to start. It appears he's looking to get paid like a starter. If I was a Jets fan, I'd probably pass on the guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 one of the big mistakes the Jets made with Sanchez was never having viable competition for him. Going into camp with Geno, Simms, and a 3rd rd pick (murray?) all but hands Geno the job. I'd be ok with a mid-rd pick assuming the jets can also bring in competition. The problem is that all of the available QBs are either terrible or in serious decline. ...which then indirectly suggests the mistake they made was playing him. (After the mistake of drafting him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 one of the big mistakes the Jets made with Sanchez was never having viable competition for him. Going into camp with Geno, Simms, and a 3rd rd pick (murray?) all but hands Geno the job. I'd be ok with a mid-rd pick assuming the jets can also bring in competition. The problem is that all of the available QBs are either terrible or in serious decline. it's rare a team brings in real competition unless you just suck so bad. They signed Garrard last year and drafted Geno so they could move on from Sanchez. Many people have already given up on Geno and Garrard was a stupid signing as it was and proved to be what most people assumed anyway. They have Simms, they Signed Quinn, they cut Tebow, they cut McElroy and so on. So all the scenarios people want already happened. And it always happens that way. Look at the Packers. Look at many teams around the NFL. The Seahawks signed Flynn, drafted Wilson, Wilson won the job, and Flynn essentially was cut. Flynn turned out to suck so bad for the Raiders, a team who really sucks, and they dumped him. But the Jets somehow still kept a retired Garrard around all season long. That's the problem the Jets have and always have. They keep players who can' t play around far too long who just waste a spot. If Geno isn't the guy and you know it, you plan to dump him or just let him ride the bench. It's not like he's some big first round pick with a huge contract. So you draft a QB this year and find some veteran or keep Sanchez so the rookie can learn for a year. There is no point going into a season having Geno compete for a job you dont think he can win with some scrub you signed that nobody else really wanted. This theory where bring in Vick or Cassel or McKnown or whomever and hope next year you find a QB in the draft never makes any sense. It's like people who imagined this year was the year the Jets would find that franchise QB in the draft. Except the Jets wound up 8-8 and are drafting 18th. None of these guys are any better. Vick has been one of the most overrated QBs in the history of the NFL and can't even play more than half a season. And that's when he was young. Cassel has pretty much sucked except for a nice season back in 2008. McKnown is a career backup. To me you either wind up like the Seahawks or you wind up like the Raiders. The Seahawks might've gotten a bit lucky with Wilson, but they still drafted him in the third round after signing Flynn to some ridiculous contract. And Flynn was pretty much a waste of a spot. But if they thought Flynn was the man and if he wasn't, they could find a guy the next year, they'd never have drafted Wilson. And the staff thought enough of Wilson to have him compete for the job. I would rather the Jets draft a QB in the first 3 rounds this year and have him compete with Geno & Sanchez & Simms over having this team go out and sign Vick who winds up playing 6 games and they are forced to go back to Geno. What was the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Hey, Vikings fan here. Came here to see a few opinions on a couple guys that I thought could potentially moving on from your team and noticed this thread. I hate to rain on your parade, but as a Vikings fan I watched Matt Cassel this year. The guy is no different then he was in KC. Looks great one game, terrible the next. And I mean no offense by this, but the talent the Vikings have on offense is much better than what the Jets have. Cassels not a bad option as a backup, but he was set to earn almost 4 mil this year with the Vikings and had as good a chance as he'll find in the league to start. It appears he's looking to get paid like a starter. If I was a Jets fan, I'd probably pass on the guy Thanks for the input. I pretty much think you're right. I'd rather wait to see if everyone else passes up on giving him starter dollars and then see if he'll take the $ he turned down from you guys. We need to bring in a legitimate veteran and draft someone else. As much as Cassel is lacking, it's not like there are 4 or 5 stud veteran QBs hitting free agency, all of whom are pushing each other out of the way to be the next failed Jets QB. There's Cassel, Hill, McCown, Vick, and cutting & re-signing Sanchez for another year of national humiliation, hilarity, and blind fans who think he is a QB. He's had 2 good seasons (2010 technically he went to the pro bowl, though I don't know how many people had to get crossed off for him to go). 3 more seasons where he threw roughly as many picks as TDs, and 1 awful season (his last in KC). But we're going into 2014. 2010 was a ways back. 2008 further still. But if the team wants a veteran QB for competition who's on paper capable of starting the season, then on paper he qualifies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share Posted February 8, 2014 Hey, Vikings fan here. Came here to see a few opinions on a couple guys that I thought could potentially moving on from your team and noticed this thread. I hate to rain on your parade, but as a Vikings fan I watched Matt Cassel this year. The guy is no different then he was in KC. Looks great one game, terrible the next. And I mean no offense by this, but the talent the Vikings have on offense is much better than what the Jets have. Cassels not a bad option as a backup, but he was set to earn almost 4 mil this year with the Vikings and had as good a chance as he'll find in the league to start. It appears he's looking to get paid like a starter. If I was a Jets fan, I'd probably pass on the guy Good input. Sound like someone we have on the roster now who is rehabbing a shoulder. Thank you BTW who are you interested in on our side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Probably the best vet QB on the market. I'd take him for 4 mill and tell him he has a chance to compete for the starting job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Geno has got this but any maybe competent QB who can/will compete against him for the job should get the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share Posted February 8, 2014 Geno has got this but any maybe competent QB who can/will compete against him for the job should get the shot. Sort of on board with it, but hedged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Cassell, is 4th in line behind: Vick, McCown, and Hill, and if KEVIN KOLB becomes available (another guy familiar with MM system), then Cassell falls to 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 It's the Jets dude. If you're really expecting that anything other than the latter might happen, you're setting yourself up for a kick in the nuts. This never ends. I don't even feel the nut-kicks anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Cassell, is 4th in line behind: Vick, McCown, and Hill, and if KEVIN KOLB becomes available (another guy familiar with MM system), then Cassell falls to 5th. Kolb is one good hit from early onset dementia. And he's not good to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Matt Schaub had ONE bad season. Why isn't he in the discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Matt Schaub had ONE bad season. Why isn't he in the discussion? He is BUT I think His asking price will be exorbetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 It looks like the new Jets regime is committed to a mobile QB and neither Cassell nor Shaun Hill fit the bill. if he's cut I'd take a look at Blaine Gabbert. Otherwise I'd try to trade for Cousins - maybe a 3rd rd pick. This new Jets regime you speak of committed to Geno Smith out of circumstance. Outside of his mobility, which was partially leaned upon due to his inability to throw accurately (to our receivers), what makes you say that we need a mobile QB? Interesting take on Gabbert. I could dig it, he tore us up this year 13/16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 He is BUT I think His asking price will be exorbetent. Says who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Says who? Matt Schaub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 This new Jets regime you speak of committed to Geno Smith out of circumstance. Outside of his mobility, which was partially leaned upon due to his inability to throw accurately (to our receivers), what makes you say that we need a mobile QB? Interesting take on Gabbert. I could dig it, he tore us up this year 13/16. I think MM and Lee prefer mobile QBs and given the Jets struggles on offense for the last 15 years adding an extra dimension cannot hurt. The Jets are not going to become an explosive offense overnight, getting a couple of extra 1st downs with a mobile QB would be huge. Unless you have a manning, brady, or brees at QB having a mobile QB is a huge advantage. Also, in a copycat league look for more teams to emulate Seattle, SF, Carolina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share Posted February 8, 2014 I think MM and Lee prefer mobile QBs and given the Jets struggles on offense for the last 15 years adding an extra dimension cannot hurt. The Jets are not going to become an explosive offense overnight, getting a couple of extra 1st downs with a mobile QB would be huge. Unless you have a manning, brady, or brees at QB having a mobile QB is a huge advantage. Also, in a copycat league look for more teams to emulate Seattle, SF, Carolina. RG3 already blew his ACL and I think you may see more QB of that mold have similar results. IMO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Matt Schaub had ONE bad season. Why isn't he in the discussion? Exactly. Take out last season and his QB average since becoming Houston's starter was over 90. The guy has been steady and solid. Schaub is a step up over Cassell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 RG3 already blew his ACL and I think you may see more QB of that mold have similar results. IMO of course RG3 blew out his knee because Shanahan played him with a sprained knee and the grass at Fedex field was an abomination. He had no business being on the field when his ACL went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 I think MM and Lee prefer mobile QBs and given the Jets struggles on offense for the last 15 years adding an extra dimension cannot hurt. The Jets are not going to become an explosive offense overnight, getting a couple of extra 1st downs with a mobile QB would be huge. Unless you have a manning, brady, or brees at QB having a mobile QB is a huge advantage. Also, in a copycat league look for more teams to emulate Seattle, SF, Carolina. I have no idea what they prefer. There is: Cam Newton/Kaepernick/RGIII/Pryor mobile...and then there's Alex Smith/Tannehill/Luck mobile. The first group have designed runs and read-option plays. The second group are functionally mobile when plays break down. I have Geno in the gray area between...and would assume that coaches (in general) prefer an accurate QB who can run their offense, opposed to a run-first QB. Which is why Pryor, (as athletic as he is) will be getting replaced this off-season despite his ability to pick up 1st downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 RG3 blew out his knee because Shanahan played him with a sprained knee and the grass at Fedex field was an abomination. He had no business being on the field when his ACL went. Grass, Schmass. Once a QB becomes a runner he is subject to hits the way a RB is. Generally speaking, it's too great of a liability (both financially and strategically) to have your greatest asset taking those shots. When Kaepernick tucks it in and takes off, those guys aren't just trying to tackle him...they're trying to hurt him. Taking out the opposing teams' starting QB improves your chances of winning. Lucky for Colin, nobody has caught him yet. But they will...and when they do the Niners will have to win with Colt McCoy under center. (Colt McCoy passed for 13 yards last season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted February 8, 2014 Author Share Posted February 8, 2014 Exactly. Take out last season and his QB average since becoming Houston's starter was over 90. The guy has been steady and solid. Schaub is a step up over Cassell. He is the master of the check down. Don't be fooled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 He is the master of the check down. Don't be fooled. Our entire WCO is based on check downs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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